McCain or Obama?

brunettegoddess said:
This is question for some of you folks that could vote back in the 80s and earlier than that...

Were elections always like this? This will be my second presidential election. I can't say that any earlier than that I really paid attention (or remember) how the candidates were perceived or liked. I only have perspective from two elections. And I don't believe that reading history can truly capture how diverse or unified people feel when it's happening. So when history reviews great elections or electing the great Presidents... were they really that? Or were they OK guys who made it through and didn't screw too much up, and had a couple of positives here or there?
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there has always been mudslinging and name calling and politicians telling you what the other person isn't going to do or has done rather than telling you what they are going to do... it's part of poltics i think ... (when you have some time - google "Mike Dukakis and Willie Horton"

Politics is ugly... and i think very few of the "great" presidents were considered "great" while they were in office.. Time and distance has a way of changing perception.

The past few elections -have been - intriguing - when you don't know election night - who won...
 
It disgusts me that voter turn out is so low in our country. Does anyone remember the first election in Iraq? People were literally dieing to vote. I can't remember the turn out % but it was ridiculously high. People have died for our right to vote. If you are so put off by the candidates that you wont vote for either then do a right in for Mickey Mouse but at least go to the polls.
 
edco76 said:
It disgusts me that voter turn out is so low in our country. Does anyone remember the first election in Iraq? People were literally dieing to vote. I can't remember the turn out % but it was ridiculously high. People have died for our right to vote. If you are so put off by the candidates that you wont vote for either then do a right in for Mickey Mouse but at least go to the polls.
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Yup that's my whole thing. A lot of people fought so I could vote, so I do. If I don't like any of the candidates (like this year), I'll vote for my party. My son will be 18 next year, I'm going to DRAG him with me to whatever election occurs. Of course, I probably won't have to, he is really into politics.
 
It disgusts me that voter turn out is so low in our country.
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about a year or two ago I had found the exact info from the census records (they're available but I'm too damn lazy to look)

the number is appallingly low - like less than 75 percent of people who are able to register to vote - Do not register. That right to vote is taken for granted...

and an even smaller percentage of those who are registered to vote - don't vote..

Everyone has a strong opinion the poltical system - but very very few raise their voice by voting or getting involved in the process.


Though, I'm not sure I want some people who think reality televisionis high drama - deciding my future -I wouldn't mind an iq test before people were allowed to vote :)
 
maleficent said:
there has always been mudslinging and name calling and politicians telling you what the other person isn't going to do or has done rather than telling you what they are going to do... it's part of poltics i think ... (when you have some time - google "Mike Dukakis and Willie Horton"

Politics is ugly... and i think very few of the "great" presidents were considered "great" while they were in office.. Time and distance has a way of changing perception.

The past few elections -have been - intriguing - when you don't know election night - who won...
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Reagan is a good example. I remember him getting plenty of crap. His own son even did a special on HBO blasting him. Now he is considered one of the greats. I have also read that Lincoln was considered pretty pathetic until later because even the people on his side thought he mishandled everything. The civil war is fascinating to me if you dig deep.
 
busy91 said:
Of course, I probably won't have to, he is really into politics
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That makes me happy that young folks are taking an interest.. there's another forum that I fight to the death - i mean discuss politics on... whre we're seeing younger folks come on -with well researched opinions =they might not always agree with my own -but I'm thrilled that they've spent the time researching and then forming an opinion.. .and not talking the knee jerk approach that is all too common..
 
I can't wait to see the debates....I think they're going to be pretty intense.

Not voting is basically the same as taking something for granted. We've gotten so used to this idea of equality and that everyone votes that we've forgotten it was paid for with lives. It's still being paid for with lives. By no means do I think the USA is the end all and be all. It's just sad that it takes a catestrophic event ie. 9-11 to get people to pay attention. I guess that's the downside to a relatively high quality of life compared with other parts of the world...you forget there's more to it than getting your pizza delivered in 30 minutes or less.
 
can't wait to see the debates....I think they're going to be pretty intense.
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Doubtful - they will be very scripted with the candidates having the questions a head of time and the candidates staff spending oodles of time working ont he right answer to not offend someone...

Politics = Entertainment - and it's very well rehearsed
 
maleficent said:
Doubtful - they will be very scripted with the candidates having the questions a head of time and the candidates staff spending oodles of time working ont he right answer to not offend someone...

Politics = Entertainment - and it's very well rehearsed
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Depends....there was a challenge to do a few townhall style debates...if that's the case...gloves pretty much come off
 
maleficent said:
Doubtful - they will be very scripted with the candidates having the questions a head of time and the candidates staff spending oodles of time working ont he right answer to not offend someone...

Politics = Entertainment - and it's very well rehearsed
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Don't be so sure. I watched a few of the Obama/Hilary debates and they got pretty heated. McCain and Romney got after each other a bit to.I will also add that while Obama is a talented rally speaker his debate skill are actually pretty lousy. Inexperience maybe? I thought Hilary pretty much owned him in every debate I saw. I was a bit surprised that McCain challenged him to "town hall" debates because Obama actually seems much more comfortable in those settings. I know he challenged him for financial reasons, I am just surprised he chose that format. McCain is good in debates though so maybe he thinks he can get a quick KO.
 
Ok, so could simply delegate a 'playground section' of the forum where certain people aren't aloud out of.

That's where all the fun can be had.
 
and we obviously couldn't have you monitor that new rule....you'd be rigging IQ tests with a few flashes :Angel_anim:
 
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