How would you have reacted?

The last thing on my mind is whether I am going to get sued.

The first thing on my mind is I see an elderly man injured and I am going to do all I can to provide assistance to this HUMAN BEING with all of my heart and with all I have within me.

I AM going to do what is the right thing to do--despite the potential consquences.

Then squash the immoral bugs who think my act of aid is worse then the act of standing by and doing nothing.

For those that think rendering "good faith" aid is worse then doing nothing, need their head examined.

More power to all that help legite persons in need.

For the record, in Kansas they have a "Good Faith" clause in rendering aide. In addition, to the "Good Samaritan" law.

Worrying about money matters over the health of a human being is immoral in itself within the subject matter we are discussing.


Best regards,


Chillen
 
don't you get help with first aid when you call 911?

and the guy could be dying if you are a block away too. Lives are at stake when you hit someone with your car..
 
Helping someone doesn't exactly mean stopping the car and getting out. Nor does it exactly mean getting between you and someone getting beat up.

There are many ways you can help, and many ways that are smarter than just physically going there.

For example, one day I was driving and saw someone get into a bad accident. I called 911 and explained to them about the accident. I did not stop the car, nor did I return to the place. They told me they were on it, and that was good enough for me.

Several times on the freeway, I see doors and other debris from cars. I call the safety line and explain and they tell me they are on it. I don’t need to stop the car and cause a block up just to pick up a door that 9 times out of 10 will not cause a serious accident.

Just because you don't see anyone stopping to help, it doesn't mean the world is going to crap. As I stated, the news wasn't accurate and people did call for help. I heard 5 people called for help right away.

The problem with video recordings is that you don't see the whole truth. You're free to make up whatever truth you deem. Judging by the video, I can make up a ton of stories just by looking at the film.

The problem with America is the news system itself. They report how "evil" people are and how no one helps and all that crap. But it's not true. America helps out others in need. It's just that helping doesn't exactly mean running up there and getting your hands dirty. You can help by providing support and by providing support, you're doing the greatest help of all. We live in an age where modern medicine is at it’s all time best. If you see someone hurt or getting hurt, and you have no freaking clue what to do, then just call for help.
 
Karky said:
don't you get help with first aid when you call 911?
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My dad worked for 911 a while ago. It depends on what state you live in, I believe. He told me locally in my area, they don't give advices because they got sued in the past. I think they can offer advices such as keep pressure on massive blood loss and so fort, but nothing like instruction on CPR or something like that.

I do know some areas still offer over-the-phone help, but all it takes is one wrong advice, and boom, someone gets sued.
 
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That was just a sad, sad confrontation. The woman and the man need to attend some anger management seminars or something. That's just really weird that they would flip out like that over something so little.
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I knew exactly what was going to happen the second they said she cut in line - she was going to get loud, start a scene, and probably some sort of fight.

I've seen it happen all my life, countless times (just not quite that bad :eek:) I guess maybe behavior like that to be common is regional, but that would explain why there are such vast differences in race relations in different areas.
 
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Helping someone doesn't exactly mean stopping the car and getting out. Nor does it exactly mean getting between you and someone getting beat up.

There are many ways you can help, and many ways that are smarter than just physically going there.

For example, one day I was driving and saw someone get into a bad accident. I called 911 and explained to them about the accident. I did not stop the car, nor did I return to the place. They told me they were on it, and that was good enough for me.

Several times on the freeway, I see doors and other debris from cars. I call the safety line and explain and they tell me they are on it. I don’t need to stop the car and cause a block up just to pick up a door that 9 times out of 10 will not cause a serious accident.

Just because you don't see anyone stopping to help, it doesn't mean the world is going to crap. As I stated, the news wasn't accurate and people did call for help. I heard 5 people called for help right away.

The problem with video recordings is that you don't see the whole truth. You're free to make up whatever truth you deem. Judging by the video, I can make up a ton of stories just by looking at the film.

The problem with America is the news system itself. They report how "evil" people are and how no one helps and all that crap. But it's not true. America helps out others in need. It's just that helping doesn't exactly mean running up there and getting your hands dirty. You can help by providing support and by providing support, you're doing the greatest help of all. We live in an age where modern medicine is at it’s all time best. If you see someone hurt or getting hurt, and you have no freaking clue what to do, then just call for help.
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what if you say two cars having crashed on the freeway and there is no one else around, you don't get out to help? where I live you are not allowed to leave if you are first on the scene.

The biggest problem here seems to be that you can get sued for helping and I can't. A LOT of people in car accidents die because their airways get blocked. In the few minutes it takes an ambulance to get there, they will be dead. They did a study in Norway once and I think as many as 70-80% could have survived if someone had been there right away to tilt their head back so they could breathe when unconscious. Why don't you want to get out of your car to save a life?
 
If I was the only one there, I would pull over. I would not go over there, because I have no idea what to do. I would call 911, then just wait in the car. I have some flares that I would put on the streets and mark it.

Again, You don't have to get your hands dirty.

You're making it sound as if I'm some big cat who's too scared to do anything. You're seriously mistaken. I would help when help is needed. But I'm not going to make quick decisions.

I must say that as an American, I am proud of the average American. The news always report how evil people are only to get ratings. They don't explain how great this country is and how its citizens help others in ways others cannot possible do.
 
Karky said:
The biggest problem here seems to be that you can get sued for helping and I can't. A LOT of people in car accidents die because their airways get blocked. In the few minutes it takes an ambulance to get there, they will be dead. They did a study in Norway once and I think as many as 70-80% could have survived if someone had been there right away to tilt their head back so they could breathe when unconscious. Why don't you want to get out of your car to save a life?
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Now that I know about it, I would do just that if I could understand it. So basically you just passed on information that could one day save someone's life. If 70-80% of people don't know about it, then perhaps education is needed.

There are many things that can save a person's life by doing simple things. Such as turning someone over so they can breathe. Or better yet, putting pressure on blood. If I can help, I would. But if I don't know, I wouldn't do anything unless they told me something. If someone said I can't breathe, my first question would be, "Why?" Then go from there.

This can go back and fort. You can ask, "Well what about if someone can't breathe, or what about, etc, etc." If a house was burning down and someone said their baby was in there, I would try to get the kid the best way I could think of. If someone was in a car accident, I would try my best to help, but I wouldn't know what to do so I wouldn't be able to do much. If someone said, "Help" in the middle of the street, I would ask, "What's up?"

If I saw someone in need, I would help the best way I could think of. Sure, I might regret something later that I hadn't known such as putting someone's head back who can't breathe. But then you live and learn and sometimes you learn the hard way. If I would help someone, it wouldn't be because of someone else, it would be because it is the right thing to do.
 
yeah it is a big factor that a lot of people don't know what to do, and when you say you don't get first aid instructions when you call the emergency number makes it even harder. If I had no idea what to do and no way to find out right away I'd go over there and try to comfort them if they were awake, but otherwise I wouldn't know what to do. I'd still be there though, so he wouldn't have to die alone.

I think first aid lessons should be something everyone has recieved at least a few times so that in a situation everybody has at least some idea. In Norway we have to take this course before we can start practicing our driving with our parents where we learn some basic "car first aid" for example how to tilt someones head back if they are unconscious and their head hanging down (which will block their airway). Basically, I think first aid lessons should be worked into other obligatory things, like school, drivers licence, etc.
 
Karky said:
I think first aid lessons should be something everyone has recieved at least a few times so that in a situation everybody has at least some idea. In Norway we have to take this course before we can start practicing our driving with our parents where we learn some basic "car first aid" for example how to tilt someones head back if they are unconscious and their head hanging down (which will block their airway). Basically, I think first aid lessons should be worked into other obligatory things, like school, drivers licence, etc.
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Is Norway one of those places where everybody is a rally driver?

On the subject of the pizza place it seems to remind me of this forum and a certain "gang" misbehaving while everybody watched. Funny one of them is talking about moral bankruptcy. How ironic.
 
gas said:
Is Norway one of those places where everybody is a rally driver?

On the subject of the pizza place it seems to remind me of this forum and a certain "gang" misbehaving while everybody watched. Funny one of them is talking about moral bankruptcy. How ironic.
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You're nothing but a joke

As for a gang; wtf? I stand alone and always will. Maybe you're confusing a gang with people who like and respect each other. Maybe being respected is something you've never known before
 
gas said:
Is Norway one of those places where everybody is a rally driver?

On the subject of the pizza place it seems to remind me of this forum and a certain "gang" misbehaving while everybody watched. Funny one of them is talking about moral bankruptcy. How ironic.
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What does my comments have to do with how people in Norway drive? Not everyone is a rally driver in Norway. I'm not sure what you are getting at but it seems you are attacking a whole country instead of sticking to the case at hand.
 
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As for a gang; wtf? I stand alone and always will. Maybe you're confusing a gang with people who like and respect each other. Maybe being respected is something you've never known before
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I just wanted to add to this.

IMO there are no ‘gangs’ or ‘groups’ on here; I personally have had disagreements with just abut every regular member over the past 2 years but there’s not a single one I’ve fallen out with and would go out for a drink with every single one. It’s what’s called an adult relationship, you can a different opinion but still retain respect and friendship. Sometimes people disagree but you both put over your point of view, try to see things from their perspective and try to come out the other end with a more well rounded opinion on matters

So far since you’ve been here you’ve had a ‘them’ Vs ‘us’ mentality which is quite childish and you’ve come out the other end no wiser than when you started. This isn’t about standards or vulgarity; that issue was brought up and despite disagreement from some members everyone agreed to tone things down and we moved on like adults. The only person dragging this out is you. Let it die.
 
Phate89 said:
She's not spicy.
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Thank you Phate. I am disappointed that some think I would do something as immature as what gas is doing. But I'm glad you have faith.

To get back on topic. I wouldn't get involved in a violent confrontation like that because I would be putting my own life at risk. It also would be of little help since I'm weak and small in comparison.
 
The video that Chillen posted is so ****ing dramatized. The narration is pathetic and it was just a ploy to make the US look bad. "Look at these soulless people that don't help an elderly when he gets hit by a car" Jesus. I'm not saying things like this don't happen but that clip was NOT an example at all.

First of all, cars aren't going to stop to try and help him when there are already 5+ people standing by him obviously concerned. What would another person standing around do other than stop traffic?

Second of all, the people that were on the street were helping by doing the right thing like calling on their cell phones for help. You can't physically do anything to help him unless you are trained for something like that. It's not about being sued it's about not harming the person.

I love how the video stops after a few seconds. I mean wtf is going to happen like 30 seconds of a person getting hit by a car? Is someone going to run over there and pull a first aid kit and respirator out of their pocket and begin surgergy on the victim?

That whole clip was ridiculous with the narration and was just pure propaganda.
 
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deschain said:
I knew exactly what was going to happen the second they said she cut in line - she was going to get loud, start a scene, and probably some sort of fight.

I've seen it happen all my life, countless times (just not quite that bad :eek:) I guess maybe behavior like that to be common is regional, but that would explain why there are such vast differences in race relations in different areas.
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Yup, my thoughts exactly.
 
calcium said:
The video that Chillen posted is so ****ing dramatized. The narration is pathetic and it was just a ploy to make the US look bad. "Look at these soulless people that don't help an elderly when he gets hit by a car" Jesus. I'm not saying things like this don't happen but that clip was NOT an example at all.

First of all, cars aren't going to stop to try and help him when there are already 5+ people standing by him obviously concerned. What would another person standing around do other than stop traffic?

Second of all, the people that were on the street were helping by doing the right thing like calling on their cell phones for help. You can't physically do anything to help him unless you are trained for something like that. It's not about being sued it's about not harming the person.

I love how the video stops after a few seconds. I mean wtf is going to happen like 30 seconds of a person getting hit by a car? Is someone going to run over there and pull a first aid kit and respirator out of their pocket and begin surgergy on the victim?

That whole clip was ridiculous with the narration and was just pure propaganda.
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Calcium must help your senses to pick up the BS. Thanks for seeing through it.
 
yeah it is all a conspiracy to make the US look bad. This could probably have happened in any country.

You guys have seen a video of someone getting beat up at a pizza place with several people looking and no one doing anything and you take it like nothing bad has happened.. wow.
 
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