Evolution or ID
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As i say again, can you disprove the celestial teapot? 
I dont know why anyone who believes in a god would follow the theistic god which is so obviously man made, so much so its rediculous. Although a god is a god someone who is deistic gets a lot more respect from myself imo - (a god that doesnt choose to intervene when he feels like it, works for a few hours then takes billions of years off, order trecherous murdurs, homophobic etc). I think whatever started the universe (if it was even started at all) the cause would be so mysterious i think a god would be at best a metaphor for the strangeness - not a supreme authoritorian who sends people to heavan and many to hell for eternal life.
I dont know why anyone who believes in a god would follow the theistic god which is so obviously man made, so much so its rediculous. Although a god is a god someone who is deistic gets a lot more respect from myself imo - (a god that doesnt choose to intervene when he feels like it, works for a few hours then takes billions of years off, order trecherous murdurs, homophobic etc). I think whatever started the universe (if it was even started at all) the cause would be so mysterious i think a god would be at best a metaphor for the strangeness - not a supreme authoritorian who sends people to heavan and many to hell for eternal life.
I can sympathize with that.
My logic on God:
If he is in everything, then he is nothing. Nothing=everything. So why place such an emphasis on him? He is always here, and in that sense he is not.
It might sound like I'm babbling some new-age bull**** here, but I think it's worth throwing the idea around in your head. A lot of my spiritual beliefs are grounded is what could be zen buddhism.
Flugel
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More proof
Anyone ever watched Dr. Kent Hovind? I have his series and although about 8 DVD's long, it really leaves you without doubt or argument. I believe that God created us all. Environmental circumstances have had an effect on us all that have forced us to adapt in certain ways, but I definatley don't think we were once monkeys or small parasites for that matter.
Anyone ever watched Dr. Kent Hovind? I have his series and although about 8 DVD's long, it really leaves you without doubt or argument. I believe that God created us all. Environmental circumstances have had an effect on us all that have forced us to adapt in certain ways, but I definatley don't think we were once monkeys or small parasites for that matter.
Are you serious?
I just had a look at Dr kents website (obvisouly a fundementalist). A disgrace and deceitful, i love it how he offers $250 000 for anyone who can show proof of evolution, and then at the bottom has special requirements like proving god doesnt exist, of course you cant!
Theres a reason why 99% of biologist believe in evolution, you only have to go out and look for yourself for things such as the book "river out of eden" etc, even on the internet and youtube.(im sorry you wasted your money on those dvd's)
Here are some common questions to start you off
I just had a look at Dr kents website (obvisouly a fundementalist). A disgrace and deceitful, i love it how he offers $250 000 for anyone who can show proof of evolution, and then at the bottom has special requirements like proving god doesnt exist, of course you cant!
Theres a reason why 99% of biologist believe in evolution, you only have to go out and look for yourself for things such as the book "river out of eden" etc, even on the internet and youtube.(im sorry you wasted your money on those dvd's)
Here are some common questions to start you off
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Flugel
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Faith without action is dead
Dude, I'm not sorry. Everything that Dr. Hovind has done, he has done it transparantly. He has offered up debates and discussions on the matter time and time again, and not even the most learned scientist or evolutionist or athiest for that matter can argue facts with the man. Do yourself a favour and reserve judgement until after you have heard one of his presentations.
As far as proving that God exists. Look around... God is everywhere and in each beautiful thing that was created. Yeh yeh, I know what you are going to say next.. but wheres the proof. Well thats just it you see, it is our faith.
It was once said: " I would rather live my whole life in faith and service to God and die to find out there is no God, than live my whole life in defience only to find out there is "
Look bud, if you are so set on the matter, I am not going to change your mind, I can only point you in the direction that in my opinion is the right way. If you choose otherwise, thats your choice and you are free to make it. You are still a wonderful being, and wether you know it or not, God loves you.
Dude, I'm not sorry. Everything that Dr. Hovind has done, he has done it transparantly. He has offered up debates and discussions on the matter time and time again, and not even the most learned scientist or evolutionist or athiest for that matter can argue facts with the man. Do yourself a favour and reserve judgement until after you have heard one of his presentations.
As far as proving that God exists. Look around... God is everywhere and in each beautiful thing that was created. Yeh yeh, I know what you are going to say next.. but wheres the proof. Well thats just it you see, it is our faith.
It was once said: " I would rather live my whole life in faith and service to God and die to find out there is no God, than live my whole life in defience only to find out there is "
Look bud, if you are so set on the matter, I am not going to change your mind, I can only point you in the direction that in my opinion is the right way. If you choose otherwise, thats your choice and you are free to make it. You are still a wonderful being, and wether you know it or not, God loves you.
Do i have to reserve my judgement that this world is flat, or should i go dig into some of Newtons past papers? Actually many evolutionists refuse to participate with creationists because of the dirty tatics they use and lack of any intelligent conversation (which im not suprised) Many do though, they absolutely slaughter them. Actually could you please watch this short video on Hovind himself which you seem to idolise., and if you have time Theres a very important thing called critical thinking, without it, with so much information in the world and everyone telling us different things , your most liekly to beleive in something not true.
Of course god exists if he's everywhere, why dont you define what you mean by a god. Do you mean a personal god that reads your thoughts, causes it to rain frogs, allows virgin births etc?.
If you think there is a bigger and better place than earth when you die good on you. I think its pretty sad that anyone would only believe because of fear. What if allah, the golden calf, thor or one of the 10 000 of gods to have existed were to be god and was just as jelous as the god you worship. Wouldnt god respect someone more who leads a generous and fullfilling life than someone who only beleives because of fear?
Ill happily change my mind. But the fact is there is a hypothesis on one side (evolution) and huge, enourmous amounts of evidence that fits into it, as to date there is not one single evidence that suggests otherwise. On the other hand creationsim is just jibberish, only ever attempts to critisize evolution and doesnt even have a hypthothesis of its own with any evidence. So for me, and almost every scientists, it is frustrating to see deluded people like yourself who cant grasp whats truth - whether by stupididty or ignorance (no offence).
Cheers,
Matt
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Flugel
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Thank you for your comments. I must just make one thing clear. I do not beleive what I believe out of any type of fear. I honour and respect my creator, and the opportunity to accept his salvation. I am not here to prove you wrong, as we are all accountable for the descisions we make. I am a bible believing Christian, and applaud the Almighty for the awesome job he did in creating me.
He gave us free will to choose what we want to beleive...
I'll beleive in God. The God of Isaac & Jacob. No other. If you want to believe that your ancestors were a bunch of monkeys.. well ok then, thats your choice.
I am sure however that you are a great person, and please don't take any offence. I have said my say, and so have you.
Rock on !!
He gave us free will to choose what we want to beleive...
I'll beleive in God. The God of Isaac & Jacob. No other. If you want to believe that your ancestors were a bunch of monkeys.. well ok then, thats your choice.
I am sure however that you are a great person, and please don't take any offence. I have said my say, and so have you.
Rock on !!
Flugel - i hope you watched those videos to see the fallacy of the "doctor" himself which is typical of many creationists.
Im not going to try and persuade either with a divine creator. But take some time out and actually think to yourself what you actualy believe in and if it makes sense to you. Rather than indoctrinating blind faith.
JJfitness - Its either one or the other. Either you believe we were made instantly (whether future evolutiuon occurs is irrevelent), or evolution which started of simple and has graduated to the complexity we see today through natural selection.
So therefore you would vote creationism. (unfortunately ). Mat i ask why? do you have any particular reason or is it due to your faith of the words in the bible.
Matt
Im not going to try and persuade either with a divine creator. But take some time out and actually think to yourself what you actualy believe in and if it makes sense to you. Rather than indoctrinating blind faith.
JJfitness - Its either one or the other. Either you believe we were made instantly (whether future evolutiuon occurs is irrevelent), or evolution which started of simple and has graduated to the complexity we see today through natural selection.
So therefore you would vote creationism. (unfortunately
). Mat i ask why? do you have any particular reason or is it due to your faith of the words in the bible.Matt
But it is phate, im not refering to how life got here and god, just whether we were created instantly or developed overtime - how is that not black and white?
I was just wondering, since you dont beleive that our earth is 6000 years old (or do you), what was god doing for a good 100 thousands years or so? Watching so many of us die a young age, suffering from diseases they didnt even know existed, bearly able to survive, the disadvantage of not knowing that god existed. Why did god choose a select cult in the middle east for an extremely short period of time and then dissapear again as if he never existed. Or is this just one of those "faith" things.
just curious :S
I was just wondering, since you dont beleive that our earth is 6000 years old (or do you), what was god doing for a good 100 thousands years or so? Watching so many of us die a young age, suffering from diseases they didnt even know existed, bearly able to survive, the disadvantage of not knowing that god existed. Why did god choose a select cult in the middle east for an extremely short period of time and then dissapear again as if he never existed. Or is this just one of those "faith" things.
just curious :S
And where does the Bible say men and women - i.e our " ancestors " - come from ?
I beg to differ. I'm an atheist, but I sure would love to be a Christian. I don't like having to deal with the idea that once we die, we rot... I'd sure would love to believe that once we die, and if we were good, we would go to heaven. But I can't change what I believe in... I have no faith; I have no idea how to 'get' faith.
He didnt give us free will anyway.
But because you know theres no fantasy land when we die, rather than seeing life as merely an obstacle to this paradise, you can cherish this lucky chance you have of life - making the most of it and viewing it in a totally different perspective for the better i say.
Theres nothing wrong with that servo, you cant force yourself to believe in the tooth fairy can you? so dont expect the same with god. Illogical at best.
But because you know theres no fantasy land when we die, rather than seeing life as merely an obstacle to this paradise, you can cherish this lucky chance you have of life - making the most of it and viewing it in a totally different perspective for the better i say.
Theres nothing wrong with that servo, you cant force yourself to believe in the tooth fairy can you? so dont expect the same with god. Illogical at best.
Recently my friends 4 yr old asked her Dad where the very first Mother and Father came from. So he gave a very brief evolution vs God therory and asked what she thought...She thought for a while a usual, and said 'Well if we evolutioned from monkeys there wouldn't be monkeys anymore." AMAZING!!
Actually, it's only " AMAZING " if you think like a 4 year old.
It'd be more accurate to say that logic is AMAZING...........and wrong.
We didn't " evolution from monkeys " - monkeys and humans simply " evolutioned " from ( i.e we share some of ) the same origins.