Evolution or ID

What do you believe in?

  • evolution

    Votes: 43 61.4%
  • creation

    Votes: 17 24.3%
  • not sure

    Votes: 10 14.3%

  • Total voters
    70
Who are you the forum police :D

Im am trying to have a discussion, i want them to at least have a good look at what they actually beleive in, and if they still feel the same way then good on em. I want to encourage crtical thinking not mindless dogmatism.
 
physics is not intellgient, its doesnt have a consciousness does it.

If the only reason you beleive in a god is because of the complexity, then your simply just shooting yourself in the conceptual foot because any god to just have existed would have had to have been tremendously more complex and finely tuned, statisically improbable.

The irony in what you're saying is very amusing. Do you know much about quantum physics? God would only need to be an entity capable of observing things at a higher level. To doubt the existence of such, given the current trends in said field and the readily observable hierarchical nature of existence, evidences some pretty fierce skepticism, or a most unscientific bias. Or, no, wait, I guess you would call it a "scientific" bias. How confusing! :cool:

Recommended reading: The Tao of Physics. Not terribly technical, but you might get the general idea after a few tries.
 
I dunno, there, DW. I kind of enjoy the occasional opportunity to be an egotistical jerk. :D

I can never take these things too seriously. I don't think matt does, either, but I've been wrong about the internets before.
 
Theres a reason why over 99.9 % of the nobel prize winning scientists are atheists. But noooo im sure focus has got something smart to say. ;)
 
There's a reason why matt can only resort to red herrings featuring made up statistics. But nooooo im sure matt has something smart to say.

Yes, that's right. We've degenerated to sandbox tactics. :D
 
Actually its not made up.

Just who do you think your are focus. Its as if theres a debate between two people and you pop in when you see fit, not stating your position or purpose just a few ramblings and vanish until you feel like you have something to say. Come on buddy, wake up.
 
Actually its not made up.

Prove it.

Just who do you think your are focus. Its as if theres a debate between two people and you pop in when you see fit, not stating your position or purpose just a few ramblings and vanish until you feel like you have something to say. Come on buddy, wake up.

I was the guy who stated his position and purpose several times and wondered at your trouble with the English language. He couldn't actually pick an option from those you made available because of a logical fallacy in the question (that believing in creationism, believing in evolution, or being unsure are the only possibilities). After you made it clear you have no actual interest in a real discussion I became the guy who's indulging his comedic instincts at your expense.

The entry where I said something about having better things to do is particularly funny to me on several levels. :D
 
You like researching so why dont you find out for yourself, you learn something new everyday huh.

NO i believe your the guy that typed a few ramblings earlier & stated you wouldnt get involved. It is particularly funny because you actually dont have anything better to do. Its both unfortunate and a coincidence that when you get involved the topic dies. You still didnt reply to my question in the other thread about how scientists only do what benefits themselves, didnt think you would to be honest, dont blame you - you seem confused.
 
You know.

I always thought the earth was created by a super advanced computer to seek out the specific question to which the answer was 42.

I guess the evolution and creation arguments are ok. I will stick with mine though.:D
 
These discussions are so stupid..you can't prove God doesn't exist..you can't prove God does exist.

blah blah blah...the answer is 42.
 
Im am trying to have a discussion, i want them to at least have a good look at what they actually beleive in, and if they still feel the same way then good on em. I want to encourage crtical thinking not mindless dogmatism.

Matt, I'm having a hard time seeing that you just want to have an objective discussion. Perhaps I shouldn't say objective since you haven't stated the word objective. You seem to have an agenda with this aside from your wanting to "encourage critical thinking".

I don't follow the Baptist belief that the earth is 6000 years old. And not all Baptists believe this anyway.

I'm still trying to comprehend why you care so much if someone believes in a creator. I could understand if someone was following "mindless dogmatism" and getting ready to drink the poisoned kool aid. But what you're trying to dissuade people from believing is that God exists, God created people and the earth, and there are a certain amount of moral laws to follow.

See, we've been down this road before. You started a thread similar to this. And it went something along the lines of
Person A: "I believe in God."
You: "What?! Can you prove God? Well...then you must not be intelligent."
ad naseum

Of course you punctuate this with saying something along the lines of "it's only because I care"

I, nor any other Christian, would ever assume to know what God was thinking before the creation of earth. God in the Biblical sense is beyond simple comprehension.

It's funny...your condescending attitude towards others whom do not believe as you do seems to even have others that do believe as you do criticizing you rather than jumping on some bandwagon.

I still don't get why someone finding comfort in having faith that God exists bugs you so much. Andy why would a believer go to the trouble of trying to explain their faith to you when you're just going to belittle them with big, intelligent words covered in flowers to make it seem like you have good, honest intentions. And while you do have a nice vocabulary bank to choose from, it does not wipe away your seemingly masked hostility.
 
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These discussions are so stupid..you can't prove God doesn't exist..you can't prove God does exist.

blah blah blah...the answer is 42.

you could easily prove god existed - if he bothered to show himself, which wont happen i wonder why. Just because you cant prove or disprove something doesnt mean both are equally likely.
 
No offense but its hard to be "objective" to something so irrational.

Maybe people could just let people live their lives they want. But we have a huge religious influence on the public and a belief in a god provides no durable future for earth. How can that be so when we have incombatable religions, portaying their own self reighteousness and a belief that life as we know it is just an obstacle for something so magical and everlasting as heavan.
 
I believe in God in my head, and thats all it matters. Some can call it a disease, other can call it faith. Though I'm also the same guy that believes in the Matrix and that anytime now Trinity is going to come rescue me, so it might be more of a disease :D
 
No offense but its hard to be "objective" to something so irrational.

Maybe people could just let people live their lives they want. But we have a huge religious influence on the public and a belief in a god provides no durable future for earth. How can that be so when we have incombatable religions, portaying their own self reighteousness and a belief that life as we know it is just an obstacle for something so magical and everlasting as heavan.

Ahhhhh...your agenda comes out and it seems you're not just trying to have a discussion. Why be so combative and angry towards those who put comfort in religion. I don't see any hostility pointed towards you by those that believe in religion for personal fulfillment.

...maybe if you believed in God you'd be happier ;)

Sooooo...exactly how is the religious influence on the public impacting you negatively?
 
you could easily prove god existed - if he bothered to show himself, which wont happen i wonder why. Just because you cant prove or disprove something doesnt mean both are equally likely.

Arguing whether one can " prove or disprove " the existence of GOD seems to be an irrelevant argument IMO. Proof is irrelevant.

A belief in GOD is not validated by facts, proof, rationality, evidence, logic etc. etc. - but rather, by faith alone.
 
I just went through about 5 of 9 pages and Matt, all your posts were basically the same. Maybe you should just write an article and be done with it. Because all I see is a Jim Jones recruitment effort on your part.
 
Time to lock topic, yes?

What for ?
 
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