Im am trying to have a discussion, i want them to at least have a good look at what they actually beleive in, and if they still feel the same way then good on em. I want to encourage crtical thinking not mindless dogmatism.
Matt, I'm having a hard time seeing that you just want to have an objective discussion. Perhaps I shouldn't say objective since you haven't stated the word objective. You seem to have an agenda with this aside from your wanting to "encourage critical thinking".
I don't follow the Baptist belief that the earth is 6000 years old. And not all Baptists believe this anyway.
I'm still trying to comprehend why you care so much if someone believes in a creator. I could understand if someone was following "mindless dogmatism" and getting ready to drink the poisoned kool aid. But what you're trying to dissuade people from believing is that God exists, God created people and the earth, and there are a certain amount of moral laws to follow.
See, we've been down this road before. You started a thread similar to this. And it went something along the lines of
Person A: "I believe in God."
You: "What?! Can you prove God? Well...then you must not be intelligent."
ad naseum
Of course you punctuate this with saying something along the lines of "it's only because I care"
I, nor any other Christian, would ever assume to know what God was thinking before the creation of earth. God in the Biblical sense is beyond simple comprehension.
It's funny...your condescending attitude towards others whom do not believe as you do seems to even have others that do believe as you do criticizing you rather than jumping on some bandwagon.
I still don't get why someone finding comfort in having faith that God exists bugs you so much. Andy why would a believer go to the trouble of trying to explain their faith to you when you're just going to belittle them with big, intelligent words covered in flowers to make it seem like you have good, honest intentions. And while you do have a nice vocabulary bank to choose from, it does not wipe away your seemingly masked hostility.