Evolution or ID

[matt182]

What are you doing in this thread focus. You a sententious attention seeker, provide no input other than boring baggage . This isnt a place to ponder the philosophy of what words actually mean or overcomplicate things. If you want to participate, at least provide a decent answer in regards to the poll instead of nicky picking all the time...eh?

 

[[Focus]]

I was just checking if you were interested in sound dialectic, or heaven forbid, actually learning something. I should've known better, of course. My mistake. Carry on.

You can't see, but I just looked around for a Dead To Me button and looked real sad when I couldn't find it. Seriously, though, I still appreciate your comedic stylings, intentional or no. You're really quite good.

Edit: P.S. You are also confused about what sententious means. Just thought I'd mention it since you're so fond of the word. I know, I know, I should go find something better to do, before she finds me.

 

[matt182]

ill let you off because your canadian

 

[LeiYunFat]

No one is here for discussion, especially not the OP

 

[Typhon]

Actually, I don't think religion gets discussed enough on the internet

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[Big_Idiot]

Talking about religion, im not the slightest bit religious.

I dont understand how people believe in god and all these other people they follow. Its crazy to me, but to others it makes a lot of sense.

I believe we are alone.

 

[Typhon]

I always thought that the answer was unobtainable and far beyond the possible comprehension of the human brain

But, I'd love to hear the loose theories; faith based beliefs and deluded ramblings of some people on the internet. I think that is where I'll probably find the answer

(I know I'm a jerk)

 

[Big_Idiot]

Lol. ^^

Also about evolution. I dont believe we evolved from apes like many say. If we evolved from apes then why are therye still apes today?

 

[Karky]

I think you should read up on evolution, Tom.. if we evolved from apes there can still be apes today..

Let's say a long time ago some ape got a child that looked like a human, a genetic mutation (just an example, I don't know if this is how it actually happened) the human would live and pass its genes on, but all the other apes wouldn't have to die.

 

[Big_Idiot]

I know that, but i just dont believe thats true. Theres gotta be some other reason why were hear.

 

[2bBuff]

Also about evolution. I dont believe we evolved from apes like many say. If we evolved from apes then why are therye still apes today?

Similar, but different, question from me. I’ve wondered for a long time actually.

When thinking of human evolution, why are there no longer the intermediate stages of evolution. For example, say an ape is all ape (a ten on the ape scale) and humans are barely any ape (a one on the ape scale). Where have all the beings in between human and ape gone? I can understand some of them disappearing for some reason, but not all of them.

So here's a hundred million billion zillion years (that’s a lot of years) in a few short sentences...

Ape (10 on the scale) exists and evolves into a semi-ape (9 on the scale) through slow evolution or mutation or whatever. Nine evolves into eight. Eight evolves into seven. Etc..etc…etc…

Where do all the “semi-apes” (on the scale 2-9) go?

Okay, now, Karky mentioned a single genetic mutation from ape to human. That would answer my question right away. But, why haven’t we had history since that mutation occurred, if the offspring was human as we know it today (smart and can at least scribble on cave walls). The other problem I see with this is the fact that not even modern science, which evolutionists put all their faith on (yes faith unless you’ve performed experiments and done the research yourself), can’t explain that type of mutation anyway. Could an ape have a mutation all the way to human? Wouldn’t that also fly in the face of all the pictures we’ve seen in science class that shows an ape on the left, semi-ape(8) to his right, a semi-ape(6) yet further right, and on and on until you see your own uncle Joe (1 on the ape scale) standing on the far right?

 

[Big_Idiot]

Similar, but different, question from me. I’ve wondered for a long time actually.

When thinking of human evolution, why are there no longer the intermediate stages of evolution. For example, say an ape is all ape (a ten on the ape scale) and humans are barely any ape (a one on the ape scale). Where have all the beings in between human and ape gone? I can understand some of them disappearing for some reason, but not all of them.

So here's a hundred million billion zillion years (that’s a lot of years) in a few short sentences...

Ape (10 on the scale) exists and evolves into a semi-ape (9 on the scale) through slow evolution or mutation or whatever. Nine evolves into eight. Eight evolves into seven. Etc..etc…etc…


Where do all the “semi-apes” (on the scale 2-9) go?

Okay, now, Karky mentioned a single genetic mutation from ape to human. That would answer my question right away. But, why haven’t we had history since that mutation occurred, if the offspring was human as we know it today (smart and can at least scribble on cave walls). The other problem I see with this is the fact that not even modern science, which evolutionists put all their faith on (yes faith unless you’ve performed experiments and done the research yourself), can’t explain that type of mutation anyway. Could an ape have a mutation all the way to human? Wouldn’t that also fly in the face of all the pictures we’ve seen in science class that shows an ape on the left, semi-ape(8) to his right, a semi-ape(6) yet further right, and on and on until you see your own uncle Joe (1 on the ape scale) standing on the far right?

Yea im seeing what your saying. I think the same. Also if the ape had a human baby (mutation) Why has'nt it happened since?

 

[2bBuff]

Yea im seeing what your saying. I think the same. Also if the ape had a human baby (mutation) Why has'nt it happened since?

Those who believe in evolution would say it will happen again, it just may take hundreds of millions of billions of zillions more years. It wouldn't be proof, but it's hard to argue against.

Evolution theory, IMO, takes a loooooot of faith in a lot of things: faith in science, faith in scientists, and faith in human intelligence to interpret science… faith in a lot of things. Let's remember that scientists not so long ago believed in things that we now know were wrong and find pretty funny knowing what we know now. Will scientists/everyone 500 years from now look back at us the same way? It would be kind of arrogant to say they won't because we've somehow "figured it all out".

This isn't to say that someday we'll prove the existence of God through science. If you believe in God you probably also believe He has made us, the world, and the universe in such a way that we will not figure it out. (Notice I said probably there, not everyone will look at it that way, of course.)

Let’s keep our minds open in all directions (something many people find it hard to do).

 

[evolution]

Firstly, i find hard to believe how you believe, that the earth is about 6 000 years old. Man around with dinosours, mountains popping out of knowwhere. Theres no evidence for it and i think its absurd how anyone can believe that? If it sounds rude its not intended to be

Who said I believe that the earth has been around for 6000 years? I never said I believe man was hanging out with the dinosaurs. You're mistaking me to believe that the Creation Myth in Genesis is an actual account of creation. A myth is simply a story told to explain something. It does not have to be based on fact or be true or false. It is simply a story used to explain something. The Bible has so many different genres of literature. It's funny...I think it's insane not to believe in a higher power; I think it's insane to believe that once we die, we simply rot and there's nothing more. Why is it so much harder to believe in a Creator than to believe that suddenly everything was ripe for earth to come as it is now...and for man to be walking around contemplating these things. I know, I know...it's crazy I don't believe this since it's so commonly happening all over our universe.

You figure you ok if your wrong, you wont be ok because youve missed out on a whole enriching lifetime - making the most of precious life, Not ruled by some supreme authoritorian figure in the sky whom we must obey and worship. And what if your wrong, what if it turns out that god is one of the other thousands of other gods that have existed that you dont worship who is equally jelous of other gods and has a nice place with eternal damnation?

Perhaps you can shed some light onto what I'm missing? What exactly is this enriching life that I seem not to have? Let's see...you're right! OMG...I haven't been living. I have all these rules like not raping, not murdering, not treating my neighbors like crap, etc that I'm missing out on something glamorous and magical out there. Worship? Yup...I pray and give thanks to God for the things in my life. Oh and I spend a few dreaded hours in church that I could be out there fulfilling my life more fully.

I appreciate you taking the time to show me where I've gone wrong.

 

[Big_Idiot]

Yea, i am fully open to anything. But at the moment iv made decisions of what i think it correct.

Its a good point you made about, why are theyre no half ape/human mammals around.

 

[Hoss]

God pooped. And since poop is 33% bacteria by weight, we're God's flora.

 

[2bBuff]

I appreciate you taking the time to show me where I've gone wrong.

Sounds like he’s coming around ay Matt? (sarcasm, of course)

I would make the argument that people with religion in some form or other live happier lives. Not necessarily more fun but happier lives and I’d rather be happy than have fun anyway. Fun is used to try to achieve happiness. Ahhh, sounds like something else to argue over. Who’s happier around here? Can’t we all just get along…..happily?

Let's not do this

Instead do this :luxlove:

 

[matt182]

2bebuff and bigtom. Please dont think just because you dont understand something or whatever means its wrong. Im sure if you had a scholar with an evolutionary background then they could clearly explain it to you. If you really wanted to know in depth about evolution then there are books out there like "the anscetors tale" and many others.

 

[matt182]

Who said I believe that the earth has been around for 6000 years? I never said I believe man was hanging out with the dinosaurs. You're mistaking me to believe that the Creation Myth in Genesis is an actual account of creation. A myth is simply a story told to explain something. It does not have to be based on fact or be true or false. It is simply a story used to explain something. The Bible has so many different genres of literature. It's funny...I think it's insane not to believe in a higher power; I think it's insane to believe that once we die, we simply rot and there's nothing more. Why is it so much harder to believe in a Creator than to believe that suddenly everything was ripe for earth to come as it is now...and for man to be walking around contemplating these things. I know, I know...it's crazy I don't believe this since it's so commonly happening all over our universe.

Ok so you beleive in evolution and that god started it. In other words, like many believers, god must have started the big bang (one can only wonder what he was doing for 15billions years ). ignoring the billions of years of earth and the dinosours before, Francis collins (christian who undertook the human genome project) says our species (humans) go back at least 100 thousand years (which is quite conservative). You (or if you deny again, many other pious poeple) must then beleive god sat around for 90 thousand odd years and then said right! time to intervene. And what best way then to choose a select cult of stupid primitives in the middle east, and maybe in a thousand years reach other places such as china. Doesnt it strike you that god is just a stupid man made invention. It was a first and worst explanation for everything. If you want to believe in a god you talks to us in our head, favours some of others than thats fine

 

[Big_Idiot]

2bebuff and bigtom. Please dont think just because you dont understand something or whatever means its wrong. Im sure if you had a scholar with an evolutionary background then they could clearly explain it to you. If you really wanted to know in depth about evolution then there are books out there like "the anscetors tale" and many others.

Your most probably right ya no. Im probably being ignorant about it more than anything.

Maybe ill do a bit of research when i have a bit of time and come back with another opinion.