A Unique Weight Loss Living Style Pattern

[caiqipp]

Interestingly, a recent study indicates that the risk of heart disease seems to be correlated with processed meats, not with unprocessed meats, regardless of saturated fat intake.



So eat red meat without worrying about the saturated fat - worry about the processed meats instead.

Thank you for your comments, and welcome back.

There are much more research results than this study, which confirms the saturated fat may cause diseases. People will judge themselves.

This study anyway supports Mr. Liu's point - "do not give the control of your health to food manufacturers".

 

[caiqipp]

How would beef tendon help our health?

Beef tendon contains a lot of collagen, which is component of some organs and tissues, such as skin and ligaments. Without enough collagen intake, it might be hard to get good health. Mr. Liu said: “drinking broth made by beef tendon can cure hemorrhoids”. I did so and my hemorrhoid is gone. So I believe what he claimed might be true. He also said “drinking broth made by beef tendon can prevent from having cancer”. I’m not sure if this claim is true or not.

 

[Jericho]

Will you PLEASE stop putting up information that is not true? There has never been anything that shows beef tendon broth cursed hemoriods and to even suggest it could prevent caner is pretty laughable.

Collagen is an important substance in the body, helping to give our skin its texture, elasticity, and strength. Eating a diet rich in protein, vitamins A, C, E, and zinc can help to support collagen production, and help us to achieve and maintain a youthful appearance. You don't get use of collagen by eating collagen.

What you are claiming is Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc

 

[ecky1]

Wow, does this guy never give up.

 

[Jericho]

Here is how you break down this claim about beef tendon broth curing your hemorrhoids. I suggest reading the whole articles of those things I post as I will reference clips.

1) From medicinenet.com

It is not known why hemorrhoids enlarge. There are several theories about the cause, including inadequate intake of fiber, prolonged sitting on the toilet, and chronic straining to have a bowel movement (constipation). None of these theories has strong experimental support. Pregnancy is a clear cause of enlarged hemorrhoids though, again, the reason is not clear. Tumors in the pelvis also cause enlargement of hemorrhoids by pressing on veins draining upwards from the anal canal.

Let's look at the constipation aspect. You said you suffered from constipation which leads me to part 2.

2) From WebMd

Constipation is usually caused by a disorder of bowel function rather than a structural problem. Common causes of constipation include:

Inadequate water intake.

It could be other causes but let's take parts one and two together...

3) Again from WebMd

If you are constipated, try the following:

Drink two to four extra glasses of water a day (unless fluid restricted).
Try warm liquids, especially in the morning.
Add fruits and vegetables to your diet.

4) Broth is water.

5) Broth is warm.

6) So the beef tendon, from what I see, had nothing to do with your hemorrhoid relief. The fact that you was basicly adding extra water into your system everyday (and the fact that it was warm) aided in fixing your constipation. Fixing your constipation aided in your hemorrhoids reducing and you having less pain. You could replace that broth with coffee, water, tea, anything wet and warm and it would have helped.

 

[shygemini]

Will you PLEASE stop putting up information that is not true? There has never been anything that shows beef tendon broth cursed hemoriods and to even suggest it could prevent caner is pretty laughable.

Collagen is an important substance in the body, helping to give our skin its texture, elasticity, and strength. Eating a diet rich in protein, vitamins A, C, E, and zinc can help to support collagen production, and help us to achieve and maintain a youthful appearance. You don't get use of collagen by eating collagen.

What you are claiming is Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc

Exactly, plus even if we believe the amusing claim that eating collagen will improve your body's collagen, they are not even eating the collagen, just the broth, right?

But that being said, i don't think they will ever stop posting, as long as people reply

 

[5KFreak]

Wow, does this guy never give up.

Not when people continue to post and fuel the thread!

 

[5KFreak]

Why is this forum so damn dead set of PROVING eveerything with studies and science. Also everyone is so dead set on proving someone wrong! This is not a science, research or study forum. Just take the information you find to be valuable and ditch the rest!

I mean this forum seems to be full of a bunch of overweight people who know EVERYTHING about the correct way to lose it, however they are still overweight. Let Caiqipp believe what he/she believes.

Okay so that was my rant =)

 

[shygemini]

I mean this forum seems to be full of a bunch of overweight people who know EVERYTHING about the correct way to lose it, however they are still overweight.

Having knowledge does not translate into action. That is one of the most basic tenets of nutrition.

 

[Jeanette401]

I'm not trying to 'prove' anything, however when I see a lot of mights & maybes and I know of actual studies that relate to them, I like to make the information available.

Plus my weight loss was actually 5 years ago and I'm here for tips on fitness and maintaining

Also, as far as not arguing an opinion goes - one of the biggest problems I faced when I started my weight loss was that there was so much conflicting information out there that I didn't know what to believe. Steve's posts that actually 1) laid out a definite plan and 2) cited actual research studies rather than just picking a side seemingly at random are what drew me to this site to begin with.

If no one ever posted interesting research and just threw out 'this might work for someone' this site would not be one I checked regularly. I post things I know to be backed by research because it's what I would want someone to do for me.

 

[5KFreak]

I'm not trying to 'prove' anything, however when I see a lot of mights & maybes and I know of actual studies that relate to them, I like to make the information available.

Plus my weight loss was actually 5 years ago and I'm here for tips on fitness and maintaining

Also, as far as not arguing an opinion goes - one of the biggest problems I faced when I started my weight loss was that there was so much conflicting information out there that I didn't know what to believe. Steve's posts that actually 1) laid out a definite plan and 2) cited actual research studies rather than just picking a side seemingly at random are what drew me to this site to begin with.

If no one ever posted interesting research and just threw out 'this might work for someone' this site would not be one I checked regularly. I post things I know to be backed by research because it's what I would want someone to do for me.

Okay good point, however you are one of the smart ones. Also you aren't going to get "great" research information from a forum like this. You are asking for what has worked for people or you want sympathy from people that are like you when you come to a forum like this, not science based truths. So someone like you would come on here and post something that worked for them and then someone would think "hmmm okay that sounds like it might work and be doable" then they try it or read more about it. If it works then it works and if it doesn't then they move on. I have just been reading through old posts here and it seems like if you post ANYTHING that sways just a bit from science you are called out to prove it with a double blind study.

 

[5KFreak]

Having knowledge does not translate into action. That is one of the most basic tenets of nutrition.

Well in my opinion (and not trying to be rude here) that is a personal problem and not so much a weight problem at that point. Survival of the fittest! That being said, then why are those people here? I can't make you do any action! So you come here for sympathy or empathy in your failures. Correct?

Okay this may sound like I am trying to be rude but I just want to iterate that I am being sincere!

Also like I said before, take a journey through the journals of people here that are so "knowledgeable" in how to lose weight and yet they have no acheived their goal weight. I would say their knowledge is half incorrect. They may have the knowledge to lose SOME weight however they are lacking the knowledge of effective weight loss (keeping it off) and when someone makes a suggestion, if it they have not brought a 400 page medical journal to the table then they are discredited and aren't even worth the try!

 

[Jericho]

I mean this forum seems to be full of a bunch of overweight people who know EVERYTHING about the correct way to lose it, however they are still overweight.

Ha. I always love this insult. As if only skinny people have information or knowledge. Come on, if this was a general rant at people then it wouldn't have been in here. Just step up and say you are talking about me. It's ok. I'm a big boy. Ever think we have the knowledge but the fact that our journey is still going?

 

[5KFreak]

Ha. I always love this insult. As if only skinny people have information or knowledge.

Well I honestly did not mean it as an insult. However more times than not it seems that there is a clear winner in who is actually using the knowledge. Also what I mean was that apparently THAT knowledge isn't working for some folks so they should shop for some new knowledge

 

[Jericho]

Yes, and I will challenge certain new knowledge. Remember that this is a public forum. Anything you place here is subject to debate and response.

 

[Andy2]

I would much rather have peer reviewed information from a credible source then from some yahoo on the internet, even if its not what I want to hear.

 

[5KFreak]

Yes, and I will challenge certain new knowledge. Remember that this is a public forum. Anything you place here is subject to debate and response.

Okay so if I told you that a certain program worked WONDERS for me and it involved no calorie counting, eating 5 times a day (equal protein and carbs), eating no more than 20% of fat calories per serving, and doing nothing but 40 minutes of cardio 4 days a week. Would you try that for a month? Or would you ask me to start quoting medical journals?

 

[Kayshiz]

Okay so if I told you that a certain program worked WONDERS for me and it involved no calorie counting, eating 5 times a day (equal protein and carbs), eating no more than 20% of fat calories per serving, and doing nothing but 40 minutes of cardio 4 days a week. Would you try that for a month? Or would you ask me to start quoting medical journals?

Did you even read all 7 pages of this thread? Or are you just looking at one post and trying to take something completely out of context?

And you didn't say how many calories you were eating, so it would be impossible for someone else to read that blindly and decide if it would work or not.

If you said you were doing that and eating 4000 calories a day (or some other absurd number), yea, I'd call shenanigans.

 

[shygemini]

Well in my opinion (and not trying to be rude here) that is a personal problem and not so much a weight problem at that point. Survival of the fittest! That being said, then why are those people here? I can't make you do any action! So you come here for sympathy or empathy in your failures. Correct?

Okay this may sound like I am trying to be rude but I just want to iterate that I am being sincere!

Also like I said before, take a journey through the journals of people here that are so "knowledgeable" in how to lose weight and yet they have no acheived their goal weight. I would say their knowledge is half incorrect. They may have the knowledge to lose SOME weight however they are lacking the knowledge of effective weight loss (keeping it off) and when someone makes a suggestion, if it they have not brought a 400 page medical journal to the table then they are discredited and aren't even worth the try!

Talk to any qualified dietitian, and they will re-iterate the statement I wrote in my post. Just having the correct knowledge does not mean you will use it in the right way. It also could mean you are using it, but still in the process of getting to goal weight.

 

[5KFreak]

Did you even read all 7 pages of this thread? Or are you just looking at one post and trying to take something completely out of context?

And you didn't say how many calories you were eating, so it would be impossible for someone else to read that blindly and decide if it would work or not.

If you said you were doing that and eating 4000 calories a day (or some other absurd number), yea, I'd call shenanigans.

Well you could count your own calories if you wanted to once I explained the food choices, but I did not go into detail of what you would be eating on purpose however, it would be good whole food and not pizza and 60/40 hamburger meat. I am just curious if he would try it for a month, and also the point is being is that you wouldn't have to count. ANYWAY Kayshiz, if you would have read more closely to my post, I mentioned that nothing could be over 20% of fat calories per serving SOOOOOO smarty, that only leaves you with a limited amount of items wouldn't it? It would be safe to say that salmon would not be a part of one of your meals! Also one would not expect one to consume 120 ounces of say chicken in one sitting would they? Maybe a normal portion size of say 6oz.