A Unique Weight Loss Living Style Pattern

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Kayshiz said:
Did you even read all 7 pages of this thread? Or are you just looking at one post and trying to take something completely out of context?

And you didn't say how many calories you were eating, so it would be impossible for someone else to read that blindly and decide if it would work or not.

If you said you were doing that and eating 4000 calories a day (or some other absurd number), yea, I'd call shenanigans.
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Pretty much what he said especially when nothing in that plan you suggested really is bad. Like Kay said, the calories (even if you don't count them) would matter.

But really..you want to compare that to the claim that beef tendon broth curse hemorroids and maybe cancer pervention?
 
Jericho said:
Pretty much what he said especially when nothing in that plan you suggested really is bad. Like Kay said, the calories (even if you don't count them) would matter.

But really..you want to compare that to the claim that beef tendon broth curse hemorroids and maybe cancer pervention?
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No! That was idiotic! I never said this person had any clue to what they were talking about. My original post was basically to say everyone keeps feeding this person because they are posting and arguring science. I guess then I kind of then went on a tangent about why some people are so dead set on the science =)

I know, you would have to know more details about it all and I wasn't going to go there. I get paid very well for what I do, and I don't just go throw all that information out. However, I was just curious if I threw an eating plan at you which consisted of cutting out high fat items like oils, mayo, cheeses, milk etc would you fight me with science or would you give a chance for a month?
 
For me, the science really helps me to determine which parts of a diet are meaningful and which parts are 'fluff'.

Here are some examples - skipping breakfast vs. eating breakfast - while there's a correlation between eating breakfast and weight etc. there's no scientific indication of cause. And in fact there's evidence that it depends on an individuals own physiology. The result of which is that I don't worry about the fact that I skip breakfast since it works better for me in terms of hunger & diet compliance. The 6 meals vs 3 meals is another one - it relieves me to know that if I don't eat 6 times a day I'm not going to have to work harder on my diet.

Perhaps the biggest blessing from this forum was clarification on the 'metabolic advantage' of low carb diets. I did Atkins for 5 years. It worked. But it was kind of sucky. Thanks to links on this forum I was made aware of studies that indicated that the real advantage came from higher protein intake and not the reduction in carbs. Suddenly I realized that I had a lot more freedom in my meals - and it made my life and maintaining my weight a lot easier.

Understanding what makes a diet work allows you to customize the parts that don't matter to be whatever is easiest for you. In your example, what if it's really easier for someone to eat... 25% fat and equal carbs & protein? Will it matter? Will the diet 'fail' them if they don't? If you argued that it had to be exactly 20% plus or minus .5%... or that you could only eat grass fed beef... well, I'd be in the thread arguing that you shouldn't make it harder to stay on a diet when it's hard enough already ;)

Finally... sometimes it's just hard not to respond to crazy claims because 1) what if someone believed them and was harmed by it and 2)
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Let's see

1 slice of swiss chesse: 110 calories
1 cup 2% milk: 122 calories
1 Tsp olive oil: 40 calories
1 tbsp mayonnaise: 90 calories


So, um..from what I see, cutting items like that will help me lose weight cause of the calories I wouldn't be taking in anymore. Your 'plan' doesn't go against science.
 
5KFreak said:
No! That was idiotic! I never said this person had any clue to what they were talking about. My original post was basically to say everyone keeps feeding this person because they are posting and arguring science. I guess then I kind of then went on a tangent about why some people are so dead set on the science =)

I know, you would have to know more details about it all and I wasn't going to go there. I get paid very well for what I do, and I don't just go throw all that information out. However, I was just curious if I threw an eating plan at you which consisted of cutting out high fat items like oils, mayo, cheeses, milk etc would you fight me with science or would you give a chance for a month?
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Based on my experience on the forums this could go one of two ways:

Forumite - you don't necessarily have to cut out all the high fats for weight loss, and any diet where you don't count calories always has the risk that someone will overeat. But if it works for you, great!
You - Yeah, this is what I recommend.
<no arguments, some people ask for more details on the plan>
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Forumite - you don't necessarily have to cut out all the high fats for weight loss, and any diet where you don't count calories always has the risk that someone will overeat. But if it works for you, great!
You - No, no, no. Cutting out fats is 100% necessary. They cause heart disease and cancer and you need them to be at 20% for good health. Anyone who does this plan will never over eat and they won't ever have to count calories and it works because the 5 meals a day stokes the metabolic furnace so you burn 20% more calories. Also it cures acne and space herpes.
<Thread turns into studies and 'prove it' etc.>
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5KFreak said:
I was just curious if I threw an eating plan at you which consisted of cutting out high fat items like oils, mayo, cheeses, milk etc would you fight me with science or would you give a chance for a month?
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Why would you even expect anyone to try that for a month?

Maybe we should try Caiqip's technique for a month?

I'm fat, so obviously stupid, and maybe I should just try his plan out and see how it goes, yea?

I mean, he seems to really be confident that this is a good plan and has worked for him. That is all the reason I need right?
 
Kayshiz said:
Why would you even expect anyone to try that for a month?

Maybe we should try Caiqip's technique for a month?

I'm fat, so obviously stupid, and maybe I should just try his plan out and see how it goes, yea?

I mean, he seems to really be confident that this is a good plan and has worked for him. That is all the reason I need right?
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Are you like 16?
 
Kayshiz said:
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You actually go to a website that is specifically for posting smart ass pictures in forums? It would be much more clever if you Googled and image and then searched for witty images yourself. Or if a website didn't give you the idea in the first place.

Just sayin.
 
caiqipp said:
This is an assumption too before scientists prove it is true. As an indirect proof, I did see fish, dogs, and pigs eat human stool. It may be assumed that there are unabsorbed calories in our stool, otherwise animals should not eat it.
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GODDANGIT I can't keep my f-ing dogs out of the cat litter! They sneak kitty box treats constantly and they are so guilty once I bust them! Why in the hell do they do it?

Also Caiqipp, I totally loved that you edited this post and your reason was grammar, but you spelled grammar wrong =)
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OK, you want to use science to judge this pattern. Have you read the post # 45? If you forgot, here it is:

Copied from post # 45 (the last post on page 3):

“… Assume that the amount of total secrets of our live is 100%. How many percentage of all the secrets have scientists found? 1%? 5%? Or 10%? Obviously it’s not 100%, because many diseases can’t be cured, many “scientific” diet plans don’t work for some people. No one can give an accurate estimate of the percentage, because no one knows the total. I would say what we know may be less than 1%. You may say we got 5%, it’s fine. With that little percentage on hands, how can we expect that all our medicine knowledge, or its branch diet knowledge, that are totally based on what you've discovered, happen to be 100% correct? If not 100% correct, why can’t we make assumptions while some claims in current diet plans are not working? …”

Please answer this question directly: if only a little percentage of our life’s secrets has been discovered and included in the knowledge set of current life science, can we expect the judgment made based on such life “science” knowledge happens to be correct?

When I post the post, sounds like everyone here agreed. But if you did agree with it, why don’t you still try to judge this pattern using the knowledge set of current life “science”? If you don’t agree the point in post #45, please mention now.

While requesting everything I or Mr. Liu claimed (even if for the uncertain claim) must have a scientific answer, some of you claim or implicit absolute statement(s) without direct scientific proof. Is it reasonable?
 
Actually, some actual scientific proof would be rather nice. You can't really use 'They haven't proved it yet' as proof that it works.
 
5KFreak said:
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Also Caiqipp, I totally loved that you edited this post and your reason was grammar, but you spelled grammar wrong =)
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Thank you for pointing out. I said I'm learning here. :)

This kind of thread could spend you many time, if not too many. You might want to control the number of posts you post here if you are busy on something else.
 
Jericho said:
Actually, some actual scientific proof would be rather nice. You can't really use 'They haven't proved it yet' as proof that it works.
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That's what this whole thread is. It's like the "You can't prove that God doesn't exist" argument that religious people use to support their belief, only instead of God, they're talking about...wait...what are they talking about in here?

It's a waste of time to keep debating with people who don't even have the intelligence to realize that they don't even know what they're debating. It's best to just stand up and walk away.
 
5KFreak said:
You actually go to a website that is specifically for posting smart ass pictures in forums? It would be much more clever if you Googled and image and then searched for witty images yourself. Or if a website didn't give you the idea in the first place.

Just sayin.
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Nope, I searched google for "its magic" but I don't really understand how using google makes me "witty and clever". Your still just going to a website and searching for a picture. Google IS a website.

But know, yea, your right, I just troll forum image websites til I find a picture and THEN I come here and look for a post that relates to my awesome funny picture so I can post it as a reply.

Are you freaking serious?

Once again, you are full of fail.
 
Ok both of you cool your jets. Next one on either side gets a short vacation. I'm stepping away except for modding this specific thread. I suggest you do the same.
 
Jericho said:
Actually, some actual scientific proof would be rather nice. You can't really use 'They haven't proved it yet' as proof that it works.
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You are wrong. I never claims "it works (it implies 'it works for everyone')". What I claimed is "it works for me, for my wife, for other people listed in the second book I referred to". These are facts, they don't need any scientific support. On the other hand, they may put some of current "scientific" diet knowledge in doubt. I claimed "it might work for others" too, but it is not absolute claim. The support to the MIGHT claim is the result of my practice and other individuals' practice. It's good enough.

Here is another successful story:

My sister-in-law has tried this pattern more than one month. She follows about 60% of the instructions of the pattern. In the first week, she lost 3 pounds. She was very happy and expected the same rate to reduce body weight. I told her: "based on my experience, the weight loss might not be real body weight loss, but the result of constipation relief. The 3 pounds might be the garbage you brought in your intestinal everyday before. you will experience a period without any weight loss". In next two weeks, she lost nothing. In 4th and 5th week, she lost another 2 pounds. She is happy and going to continue. Her husband, mom, and daughter, and her sister's family members never believed this pattern can let one lose weight. Now they believe.
 
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