I disclosed the numbers at the beginning of the thread.
My age in about mid between 50 and 60.
Tall: 5'6"
A Unique Weight Loss Living Style Pattern
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I disclosed the numbers at the beginning of the thread.
My age in about mid between 50 and 60.
Tall: 5'6"
This pattern doesn't include yogurt or milk. Main reasons:
1. Preservative. Yes, amount is tiny, but it may be accumulating in body and impact your health after 30 years. If you make yogurt yourself, then it's better.
2. Many brands have sugar and fat in it.
3. Mr. Liu said: "the milk we buy is no longer natural. It's not coming from cow delivering calf, but from young caws that never deliver calf. They eat things with hormone, they take excess dose of antibiotics. ..."
4. The protein in it may not be from animal source. This pattern requests more animal protein, because we are a kind of animal and need both of animal and plant fats. See some facts:
Milk price: $2.80 per gallon (4404 grams). Protein in milk: 2 grams per serving size (245 grams).
Typical protein amount in yogurt: 14 grams per serving size (245 grams).
To get 14 grams of protein from milk, 1715 grams or 0.39 gallon of milk are needed, costing $1.09. How much is yogurt price per serving size (245 grams)? Some brands are cheaper than $1.09, right? Is it possible? If not, what are the protein source in such yogurt?
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ChefChiTown
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I haven't really read each and every word of this thread (mostly because it's all gobbledygook and I couldn't care less), but, I do have to say that your posts are entertaining. Not because they're informative, funny or even remotely close to being something I would tell my friends about, but...because the basis for your argument has changed a minimum of 247,000 times. I mean, seriously...how did you end up talking about the cost of the food items that you are discussing?
After aaaaall of this debate, are you really basing your argument on the PRICE OF YOGURT?
Kayshiz
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Hmm, I don't know what milk you are buying but the one in my fridge is:
1 cup = 150 calories = 8 grams protein
My milk is $3.50 a half gallon, so with 8 servings per half gallon the price of one cup is
about 44 cents. Which makes 16 grams of protein from milk about 88 cents and 300 calories.
I could reduce that to 160 calories for the same 16 grams if I had skim milk in my fridge, but I only drink and buy whole milk.
The Greek yogurt I buy is 18 grams of protein for 100 calories at about $1.33
I still don't think my stomach cares how much my food costs though...
Or what that has to do with anything else you've been talking about.
Or anything you have really been talking about....
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My points are simple:
1. Yogurt made by milk is no longer natural, because milk is no longer.
2. Stomach doesn't care the costs of food, but yogurt makers do care. They won't make yogurt if the total cost of yogurt exceeds yogurt selling price.
Thank you for mentioning that some milk brands may have higher protein rate. But if it's a bit lower than selling price, my point still works, because there are other expenses to make yogurt other than raw milk.
The staple foods other than rice- and wheat-made are named "coarse food grain" by Chinese, such as maize, sorghum, etc. Coarse Foods will be used hereafter.
Why does eating coarse foods can help diet? Mr. Liu said: "coarse foods can bring fats in one's body out. But rice and wheat foods can't." This is based on experience, and I have not found its scientific explanation yet. In 1950's, most Chinese farmers ate coarse foods, and they didn't get over-weighted. Now more farmers eat wheat and rice foods too, and they got the same problem like those living in cities - overweight. If this could be true for most people (looks like it's true for me and my wife), then we could get a new way to reduce fats in our body.
Why does eating coarse foods can help diet? Mr. Liu said: "coarse foods can bring fats in one's body out. But rice and wheat foods can't." This is based on experience, and I have not found its scientific explanation yet. In 1950's, most Chinese farmers ate coarse foods, and they didn't get over-weighted. Now more farmers eat wheat and rice foods too, and they got the same problem like those living in cities - overweight. If this could be true for most people (looks like it's true for me and my wife), then we could get a new way to reduce fats in our body.
At least labor costs, device costs, and energy costs exist for yogurt manufacturers. I was not talking about homemade yogurt, but those bought from markets.
ChefChiTown
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Jericho
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um because there is no scientific evidence? Could it because this is complete and utter bull? There is no food that 'brings fats out of one's body'.
Could you please focus on items that are based on science instead? Don't come back with 'science might one day prove me right' because I could use that same argument for the idea that if I eat two pennies a day with my meals that I can pull copper for my diet. It's not be science but hey, one day it might be.
you know what the real difference between the 50s China and 2010?....THERE IS MORE FOOD TO EAT.
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Looks like you prefer science, but the way you are doing might not be so scientific.
1. Science does allow assumptions. A good example is the Continental Drift Theory. When it is first introduced in 1912, most scientists did combat it. Now more scientists think it might be true. But it’s still not proven thoroughly; therefore it’s still a sort of assumption as of now, because no one was watching while it might be happening. Would you ask scientists to stop talking about it, because it’s a sort of assumption?
2. Many correct things we now know were assumption before they are proven true. For instance, Four-Color theorem was called Four-Color conjecture before, meaning that it’s assumption. It was assumed by a university student in 1852. It’s simple: no more that four colors are required to color any map so that no adjacent regions have the same color. It WAS assumption until it is proved in 1976. If making assumption were not allowed, as what you are suggesting now, is it possible for the theorem to be proven true after so many years?
I'm sorry if this reply is too straight forward. I said I don't want the thread to become a debate combat field. I really appreciate you and Jeanette401 for providing a lot of information about what science says as of now, so that friends here can see both sides of the pattern. I'm learning from you. I was trying to avoid such debate by several posts, but none worked. Again, objective discussion is what everyone wants here, I think.
Jericho
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Here is the problem. You can't have a debate when one side is just opinion and the other is fact when we are talking about something based in science. That is what we are talking about. We are talking chemistry and biology.
1) You are exchanging theory with assumption. They are not the same in the least. You use the Continental Drift Theory saying that no one has seen it happened however you are wrong. It is now known that there are two kinds of crust, continental crust and oceanic crust, with the former of a different composition and inherently lighter, and both kinds residing above a much deeper fluid mantle. Also, oceanic crust is still being created at spreading centers, and this, along with subduction, drives the system of plates in a chaotic manner, resulting in continuous orogeny and areas of isostatic imbalance. All this, as well as the motion of the continents, is better explained by the theory of plate tectonics.
In other words, we know there is continental drift..thought it is less a drift than something driven.
In general: A theory is based on observations and an assumption is just a guess.
In science: A theory is based on mountains of evidence and is essentially proven true.
You aren't going to avoid debate here. Every time you are putting up information that is simply not true, we will point it out with facts and reality.
Maybe you should be looking for a site more based in mythos instead of realism.
1) You are exchanging theory with assumption. They are not the same in the least. You use the Continental Drift Theory saying that no one has seen it happened however you are wrong. It is now known that there are two kinds of crust, continental crust and oceanic crust, with the former of a different composition and inherently lighter, and both kinds residing above a much deeper fluid mantle. Also, oceanic crust is still being created at spreading centers, and this, along with subduction, drives the system of plates in a chaotic manner, resulting in continuous orogeny and areas of isostatic imbalance. All this, as well as the motion of the continents, is better explained by the theory of plate tectonics.
In other words, we know there is continental drift..thought it is less a drift than something driven.
In general: A theory is based on observations and an assumption is just a guess.
In science: A theory is based on mountains of evidence and is essentially proven true.
You aren't going to avoid debate here. Every time you are putting up information that is simply not true, we will point it out with facts and reality.
Maybe you should be looking for a site more based in mythos instead of realism.
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How exact do I follow this pattern?
1. 100%
2. 100%
3. 95% (my wife may put little vegetable oid when cooking dishes)
4. 80% (didn’t make juice but eat fruids)
5. 100%
6. 100%. Now I don’t eat no dinner. In most days I eat nothing after 2:30 PM, and eat little fruits in other days.
7. 0%.
8. 100%. Take 30 min. nap.
9. 80%. Take exercise 4 to 5 times, climbing 40 to 42 levels of stairs.
10. 95%. Didn’t do in some cold winter days.
Matters of attentions when taking this pattern:
Those are from Mr. Liu’s book:
1. If you have diarrhea symptom when you begin drinking the broth, it means your digestive system is weaker and could not absorb nutrients in the broth. You should reduce the amount of meat to half (from 500 grams or about 1 lb to 250 grams or about 0.5 lb per day), still add 2 litters of water to cook. The broth made this way will be digested easier. If the symptom still exists, reduce appropriate amount again.
2. For people older than 60 years, the maximum amount should be 250 grams of meat each day, 2 litters of water to cook, and drink the broth 6 times in a day.
3. For people with diarrhea recently, they should not take the broth. For those with other deceases, such as diabetes, follow the advise and suggestions from your doctor.
4. If you can’t eat so many foods, eating appropriate amount, based on your situation.
5. Broth made by pork or beef skin is good source for health skin and other purpose. But it is even harder to be digested than the broth made by grounded beef, for example. Follow 1 above if can’t digest properly.
6. If you use grounded beef to make broth, you can make dishes with the remaining residue, because the fats in it are gone, if you press the residue in filter by a (big) dipper to squeeze broth (and fats) out. But it tastes not good. (I throw it away.)
Those are from Mr. Liu’s book:
1. If you have diarrhea symptom when you begin drinking the broth, it means your digestive system is weaker and could not absorb nutrients in the broth. You should reduce the amount of meat to half (from 500 grams or about 1 lb to 250 grams or about 0.5 lb per day), still add 2 litters of water to cook. The broth made this way will be digested easier. If the symptom still exists, reduce appropriate amount again.
2. For people older than 60 years, the maximum amount should be 250 grams of meat each day, 2 litters of water to cook, and drink the broth 6 times in a day.
3. For people with diarrhea recently, they should not take the broth. For those with other deceases, such as diabetes, follow the advise and suggestions from your doctor.
4. If you can’t eat so many foods, eating appropriate amount, based on your situation.
5. Broth made by pork or beef skin is good source for health skin and other purpose. But it is even harder to be digested than the broth made by grounded beef, for example. Follow 1 above if can’t digest properly.
6. If you use grounded beef to make broth, you can make dishes with the remaining residue, because the fats in it are gone, if you press the residue in filter by a (big) dipper to squeeze broth (and fats) out. But it tastes not good. (I throw it away.)
FYI: For the scientists who think the continental drift might be true, they may call it as theory. For those thinking it might not be true, they call it as "Continental Drift Hypothesis". Two terms mean the same thing. At least when it was first assumed as early as in 1620, it was assumption.
Jericho
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Continental Drift Hypothesis hasn't been used since 1958. The vast majority of the scientific community believes in the theory of Continental Drift.
But you keep talking assumptions. Assumptions are guesses. Even if what you are talking is a hypothesis, it would be based in some sort of evidence or facts. You have given no facts or basis for your claims.
I am sure most of those who has been following this thread agree that this is becoming a circular discussion. I ask you for science or medical facts to back it up. You dismiss science by saying that one day, this will be proven. We go round and round.
So This will be the last post of me on the subject. I will not keep giving this stuff credit with responding.
But you keep talking assumptions. Assumptions are guesses. Even if what you are talking is a hypothesis, it would be based in some sort of evidence or facts. You have given no facts or basis for your claims.
I am sure most of those who has been following this thread agree that this is becoming a circular discussion. I ask you for science or medical facts to back it up. You dismiss science by saying that one day, this will be proven. We go round and round.
So This will be the last post of me on the subject. I will not keep giving this stuff credit with responding.
If you think the facts from mine and my wife’s practice are isolated cases and are not strong enough, here is a reference to the facts of more individuals:
ISBN: 9787542628725. Book Name: ?The Boundary of Life? or ??????? in Chinese. Author: Yingjian Zhao.
This book is a case interview report. He simply recorded the facts he learned in the face-to-face interviews, then publish.
Author interviewed 119 individuals, (who have been taken Mr. Liu’s Health Life Style Pattern,) and the effect for more than 1,000 other practitioners who have taken the pattern is introduced by the 119 interviewee, therefore are involved too by the report. The 1,000+ other practitioners are family members, relatives, friends, or colleagues of the 119 interviewee, and have been taken the Pattern too because they are impacted by seeing the perfect effect of interviewee’s practice. …
Author said in his book:
"None of any interviewee I interviewed (, who have taken the Pattern) didn’t lose weight on their way to treat their disease (by Doctor Liu), as long as one is over weighted, keeping body weight (for over weighted interviewee) is impossible even if one would like if over weighted, it works perfect (to let one lose weight). …"
As said, this pattern doesn’t include yogurt or milk. But they are important source of Calcium intake. How to avoid the disadvantage? By Mr. Liu’s book: “add some vinegar (avoid brands with any preservative) into water in a pod, and add egg shell into it too, cook for some time, drink the water as Calcium intake”. This should be a safer alternative. Calcium pill is not suggested by the pattern, because of possible chemical residue.
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