Teenager's death is proof steroids can kill

Karky said:
teens and pre-teens probably shouldn't use steroids. I'd wait until I was in my mid, maybe late 20s..

caught in school? I dunno, if they bring it to school they probably get expelled.. anyway, I don't see how your post says anything about me questioning the statement that steroids don't work.
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Are you on about the statement in the article
Article said:
"For the vast majority, however, they don't work. They put your health at risk yet there has become something sexy about steroids."
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I think the statement they don't work because ... move on to the next paragraph ..."They put your health at risk yet there has become something sexy about steroids." To the objective person it is pretty much self explanatory .... and ties in with what the pathologist Dr Gray said "The temptation to take anabolic steroids should be offset by the risk of an early grave."
 
but they still work. Despite the side effects they can give, they do work. Are you saying all the drugs in the pharmacy don't work because they have side effects?
 
This is not about all drugs in the pharmacy not working because they have side effects. This is about illegal drugs or steroids - illegal because they are prohibited by the law and can cause death. You can those arrested include 2 doctors and a female bodybuilder.

The guardian article I quoted to you said in full context :-
"For the vast majority, however, they don't work. They put your health at risk yet there has become something sexy about steroids."

Certainly there is nothing "sexy" about testicular atrophy, baldness and breast growth - some of the side-effects commonly associated with steroid use. Neither are blood disorders or abscesses caused by dirty needles and drugs manufactured in unhygienic environments, yet the rise in steroid use is undeniable.
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Testosterone is perscription drug. You can take it legally to fight certain disorders. There are many perscription drugs that have serious side effects, why do they work, while testosterone doesn't?

The quote in the article is simply incorrect. Steroids do work, they have an effect, both good and bad. Regardless of the side effects, the "wanted" effects of steroids are there. Dismissing the wanted effects just because there are side effects makes no sense to me.
 
blackbeard said:
This is about illegal drugs or steroids - illegal because they are prohibited by the law and can cause death.
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They're illegal because they're prohibited? Ha. And if you think they're illegal because they cause death, you clearly don't know half the drugs in a pharmacy. Hell, aspirin and tylenol cause more deaths in a year than have ever been proven with steroids.
 
Doh!!

How did this thread ever get to this point? It started off with someone posting an inaccurate article stating the cause of death in a young man as being steroid use which a post mortum has now shown was a false claim made by some distressed parents.

Now we're onto 'do steroids work' and 'can they kill'

This is dumb, Steroids come in many forms and are frequently precribed by GP's to patients with low test levels, muscle wasting disorders, HIV etc with no fatalities. Steroids can have harmful effects but that's why they're not sold over the counter in stores. It is possible to use them safely but requires a level of knowledge and understanding to administer them without harmful effects.

As for 'they don't work for the vast majority', if that were the case then why the hell would they be prescribed so frequently? A hell of a lot more people will have used steroids on prescription during their life than you could ever imagine. They are used because they work.
 
I think the point everyone is trying to make is that if you take it illegally, most likely it isn't under a doctors care, and the probability of abusing it increases. With a prescription, you're under watch by a doctor hopefully, and your chances of getting serious side effects decreases. I think everyone is sort of coming to the same conclusion, but saying it a bit differently.

The fact is, no one bans something just because it can kill you. If they did, a lot more than steroids will be banned. We're talking about common house hold chemicals, common every day appliances, to everything. Heck, I could probably get killed using a blender if I turn it on inside my mouth. Should that mean that blenders should be banned from everywhere?
 
Dallen said:
I think the point everyone is trying to make is that if you take it illegally, most likely it isn't under a doctors care, and the probability of abusing it increases.
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I don’t think many people have been making that point, if they had I certainly wouldn’t argue with it as it’s very true. A lack of information and sourcing medication from the black market is a risky business and could even prove fatal.

But how can you blame AAS's for that? It's not their fault that they're illegal

The situation is twice as absurd in the UK as their use is completely legal but selling is illegal. That means that if you want to use them then you're perfectly within your legal rights to do so but you have to buy them from an illegal unregulated trader. WTF?
 
I think it's the same in Norway, legal to use but illegal to sell. If you're in a sporting organization and they test you you'll get suspended for a while from the sport, but nothing outside of the sport world will happen.
 
let's just make sure this thread stays civil. debate is fine, but no personal attacks or name calling or we'll lock it down.
 
I was reading the other day about this woman who got a face transplant. It appears she's on steroids so she could develop tissue around her face and nerves. So there is one such good uses of steroids.
 
The law in various countries with regards to illegal roids is too soft IMO. Let us look at what happened in recently.

The Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics has released the names of five people arrested Thursday in a steroid trafficking case, including an Oklahoma City firefighter and female body builder and two Tulsa physicians.

“Approximately eight warrants were served in Tulsa, two in Oklahoma City, and two in Wagoner County,” OBN spokesman Mark Woodward said. “A total of five people were taken into custody, and we expect to locate the other seven individuals over the next few days.”

Arrests include:

Sherry Smith, 39, an Oklahoma City firefighter arrested on misdemeanor complaint of steroid use.

Tom Burke, 43 of Tulsa, arrested on a felony complaint of distribution of steroids.

Derek Davis, 26 of Tulsa, arrested on a complaint of intent to distribute steroids.

Dr. Brad Stahlheber, 34, a Tulsa doctor arrested on a complaint of possession of steroids.

Dr. Gary Lee, 48, a Tulsa doctor arrested on a felony complaint of improper prescribing of steroids.

All of those arrested Thursday share an interest in competitive bodybuilding, but authorities said they don’t appear to be linked to a particular gym or organization.
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It is clear the use of illegal steroids in this instance is not because someone has a muscle-wasting disease but because someone wanted to get big on roids and a corrupt doctor or two is willing to compromise their ethics and prescribe steroids illegally.

Pro-bodybuilding associations/organisations should also follow the current practice of mainstream sporting organisations and ban steroids/performance enhancing drugs. Why should you have a roided-up "champion" paraded to the world, but that "champion" would be castigated as a drugs-cheat were they in mainstream sports that test and ban drug abusers.
 
Gawd, we have so much more to worry about other than AAS in Oklahoma. We're practically the meth capital of the world and the cops are worried about steroids.

While I agree that teens shouldn't be using...the vast majority of users are middle class people that can afford to purchase the substances.

If we went around demonizing and making illegal all substances that can cause death with use-we'd be left without aspirin, sleeping pills, pain pills, tylenol, most erectile disfunction prescriptions, most high blood pressure prescriptions, etc.

What we're really talking about is uneducated users abusing.
 
I was looking to see whether there was any new take on Matthew Dear's sad end and came across this by a personal trainer.

Personal Trainer said:
If you train hard there is no need to do steroids, naturally you can still build a body that looks incredible. Bodybuilders who consider steroids get the best results from being a bodybuilder for many years prior to taking steroids. Newbie’s to weightlifting should forget it completely it is a serious risk.

Steroids have become very popular in the gay scene and that is where I have seen it go badly wrong. Young gay men have had personal training at the studio and told me they had started steroids on and off because a friend told them it was the best way to build muscle. Can you imagine how dangerous that is, steroids are not like recreational drugs you can’t just take them now and again you have to keep to a strict course taking the correct anti estrogen’s and liver support, when you take steroid shots here and there you are dancing with the devil.
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I'm not gay so I don't know whether the gay community is more likely to use steroids more than other groupings e.g. teens on some popular BBing sites, but the story is interesting.
 
Typhon said:
The situation is twice as absurd in the UK as their use is completely legal but selling is illegal. That means that if you want to use them then you're perfectly within your legal rights to do so but you have to buy them from an illegal unregulated trader. WTF?
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Well you can thank the likes of Professor Nutt for that, I'm sure he thinks alcohol is way more dangerous than cannabis or steroids. There was a story on Professor Nutt's son by the Sun which seems to have vanished from teh web but this has . Perhaps we could ask his son whether steroids are way more dangerous than alcohol? :)
 
Everything is dangerous if abused and individuals below a certain age are not mature enough to decide what is acceptable, which is why all civilized countries have minimum drinking ages and ages of consent, etc. Why are steroids any different than alchohol or tobacco or over the counter medications? If a sports organization wants to ban certain performance enhancing substances, to level the playing field (altohugh I would argue it actually has the opposite affect) that is an entirely different matter opposed to a government making the use or sale of a substance illegal.

Of course, one way to handle the issue is to just not enforce the legalities like was the common practice in the USA before the 1980's, when no one was arrested or prosecuted for use and sale of steroids, because law enforcement and the courts were focused on other issues that seemed to have more impact on society.
 
The famous WWE superstar Chris Benoit was also a victim of steroids.The reports about Chris Benoit says that he died because of steroid abuse and he also killed his husband and son.Conclusions about what pushed Benoit to commit double murder suicide points at his use of steroids.Not only Chris Benoit is the victim of steroids but also his co-Super star Eddie Guerrero.Guerrero had a cardiac arrest because of steroids.
 
Are you being serious?
 
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