Teenager's death is proof steroids can kill

After reading those 2 articles posted by Blackbeard all i took away was.....Royal Marine Matt Dear died. I mean those articles are probably the least informative writings ever.

The 3rd article had only one bit of info that was help full...
"He was in hospital all week and his body was just shutting down basically."

I dont know that much about steroids but i know some of you do. Is this how it happens to people that die with them in there system? I figured steroids would cause a heart attack rather than they symptoms of like a degenerative disease??

Call me insensitive of what not but this could be like a "marine killed b.c of steroids when in reality something else happened the military isnt proud of"
 
There are quotes that suggest that but it does also seem to suggest that the kid's death was caused by steroids which doesn't seem to actually be the case and also the interview you're quoting isn't a link posted by the OP that we're discussing.

Every journalist written article on this story has said that steroids are to blame for the kids death but all the evidence points the other way
 
Excder said:
yeah. But there is just so little info that its anyones guess really
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Exactly, it's a guess :)
He might have been taking steroids and they might have killed him but nobody knows.

I just think it's odd that doctors said it didn't look like a reaction to steroids and the results of the post-mortum haven't been released. They should know the cause of death by now but funnily enough the hasn't been a whisper in the papers
 
Just wait.. in a year or two, this poor kid will get draged up from his grave (metaphorically speaking) to be used in the anti steroids talk as an example of what can happen... You know all those cases you hear about that happened some years ago with X person committing suicide, dying, etc, because of steroids? We just witnessed the birth of another one.
 
Karky said:
Just wait.. in a year or two, this poor kid will get draged up from his grave (metaphorically speaking) to be used in the anti steroids talk as an example of what can happen... You know all those cases you hear about that happened some years ago with X person committing suicide, dying, etc, because of steroids? We just witnessed the birth of another one.
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Just google for these names :-

- Taylor Hooton
- Rob Garibaldi

Taylor Hooton, a 16-year old, 6' 2", 180-pound, muscular high school athlete was convinced that he "needed to be bigger" in order to effectively compete during his senior year. Like others on his team, Taylor decided to take a short cut in order to help him achieve his objective. Tragically, in his efforts to "get bigger," Taylor was unaware of the severe depression he would experience as a result of using anabolic steroids.

On July 15, 2003, Taylor took his own life.
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blackbeard said:
Just google for these names :-

- Taylor Hooton
- Rob Garibaldi
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Eh. He was already battling with self-esteem issues to begin with since he thought he had to take something to get bigger and stronger. I wish we would stop villainizing steroids so much when they aren't even understood by the vast majority of people. So many other things people are taking to kill themselves with...most of it right in the medicine cabinet.
 
I just want to throw in a few points:

1) not everything on the net is true.

2) With that said, if you overdo steriod; it will kill you.

3) Steriod has it's usage in medical need to stimulate growth.

4) This is my own opinion but if you are super close to being a professional athlete and have been trying for years to get over the hump OR in final contract year of your pro-career, then I am all for it. I mean it will hurt you but we are talking about making from thousands of dollars TO millions of dollars plus fame. It's not fair, but all is fair in love, war, politic, and money.
 
evolution said:
Eh. He was already battling with self-esteem issues to begin with since he thought he had to take something to get bigger and stronger. I wish we would stop villainizing steroids so much when they aren't even understood by the vast majority of people. So many other things people are taking to kill themselves with...most of it right in the medicine cabinet.
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I'm not villainizing/demonising steroids, just pointing out what many may not see covered in the press in their area. I've heard of rage/breast development/kidney damage/liver damage/testicle shrinkage but never heard of severe depression/suicide as a result of taking steroids.
 
blackbeard said:
I'm not villainizing/demonising steroids, just pointing out what many may not see covered in the press in their area. I've heard of rage/breast development/kidney damage/liver damage/testicle shrinkage but never heard of severe depression/suicide as a result of taking steroids.
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What people don't understand is there is only 'rage' and 'depression' if people are already one-off. Kidney damage isn't related to steroid use, and hepatotoxicity is only linked to oral steroids.


Here's some side effects for those of you who will be lead to media inspired links when you search (let me just save you the time and BS):

Testicular atrophy
Muscle growth (good AND bad, ie LVH)
High triglycerides
High cholesterol (LDL)
High BP (which will augment LVH)
Evening out of hormones (ie increased DHT and estradiol; and the SE that come with those)
Increased bone density




Just about in order of prevalence, with 3, 4, 5, and 6 fluctuating. LVH is BY FAR the worst thing on this list, and yet all I hear about is rage and depression which are weakly linked and minor in comparison to LVH.
 
Hoss said:
This is a media instilled comment. Try not to google anything and explain how 'overdoing' steroids will kill you.
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I can agree with the guy who said steroids are not understood by the majority- look for example at Steroids blamed for body builder's death. Whatever your viewpoint it is hard to disregard situations such as these :-

An amateur body builder who used steroids to improve his physique died when his heart grew to twice its normal size, an inquest has heard.

....Dr Carl Gray, a pathologist at Harrogate District Hospital, told the inquest that anabolic steroids increase muscle bulk but also lead to other side effects. Mr Fraser's heart had doubled in size, but his arteries had narrowed considerably - some to the size of a pin head.

He added that, on the balance of probabilities, the steroids contributed to the heart disease and subsequent death. Returning a verdict of death by misadventure, acting coroner Geoff Fell quoted the director of the National Sport Centre.

He said: "The temptation to take anabolic steroids should be offset by the risk of an early grave."
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Hoss said:
What people don't understand is there is only 'rage' and 'depression' if people are already one-off. Kidney damage isn't related to steroid use, and hepatotoxicity is only linked to oral steroids.


Here's some side effects for those of you who will be lead to media inspired links when you search (let me just save you the time and BS):

Testicular atrophy
Muscle growth (good AND bad, ie LVH)
High triglycerides
High cholesterol (LDL)
High BP (which will augment LVH)
Evening out of hormones (ie increased DHT and estradiol; and the SE that come with those)
Increased bone density




Just about in order of prevalence, with 3, 4, 5, and 6 fluctuating. LVH is BY FAR the worst thing on this list, and yet all I hear about is rage and depression which are weakly linked and minor in comparison to LVH.
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But a big heart is a good thing! I've got a big heart! There's so much room for my love for you in there.. i had to take steroids to fit it all in!

Seriously though, about the LVH, how often does that happen, and can it be prevented or can the risk be decreased significantly if you use properly?
 
It's the increased DHT conversion that worries me, i want my hair :D

BTW, karky you do have a huge heart, i love you.
 
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Karky said:
Seriously though, about the LVH, how often does that happen, and can it be prevented or can the risk be decreased significantly if you use properly?
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It's not really known because most users aren't exactly readily available for questioning and tests. And any number you see on this will be skewed. Anyone who comes forward to report LVH due to steroids is one of few. Because CHF has a 50% 5yr survival, people are likely to come out once diagnosed. Leaving those who are undiagnosed not taken into account. IMPO I'd say it depends on the type of user you are, if you're a moderate user who isn't running it all the time it should be minimal. But even then, those people who are 'great responders' could get growth even at moderate/low frequency use. Obviously a person who hits the situation from all sides (testosterone derivative, DHT derivative, 19-nor derivative, and a hyperplasia inducer: IGF-1, hGH, MGF) are extremely likely to see LVH. Increased blood pressure will only help this, which most users are too naive and uneducated to monitor. I believe if all necessary precautions are taken, and risk can be greatly minimized. But as with all drugs (ALL), there's always a risk.
 
Wake up call for ’steroid users’

has an interesting piece :-

Anabolic steroids have received more bad press after allegedly claiming the life of a 17-year-old boy this week. Matthew Dear, of Southend, Essex was reportedly taking steroids in preparation for the selection test for the Royal Marines, which he was planning to take in three months time after his 18th birthday.

Lincolnshire GP Dr Derek Dewar has issued a warning stating that the drug is unsafe. He said: “Although the body creates the substance naturally the strain that has been used in the drug has not been properly refined.” Developed in the late 1930s primarily to treat delayed puberty, impotence and muscle wasting diseases, the drug was soon used in sport to enhance performance. Anabolic steroids are notorious amongst weight trainers as they help muscle tissue repair causing them to gain size very quickly.

As a result there can be many side-effects from use of the substance, which is illegal when not prescribed by a doctor. For men these can include shrinking of the testicles, reduced sperm count, infertility, baldness, development of breasts, anger problems and an increased risk of prostate cancer.

The drug can also causes problems for women, such as growth of facial hair, male-pattern baldness, changes in the menstrual cycle, enlargement of the clitoris and deepening of the voice.
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I wonder if these are the drugs Mathew Dear was taking ...




The article concludes :-

Peter Rogerson, who has been bodybuilding for 20 years and owns a supplement business in Lincoln, feels steroids are unnecessary with the improvements made using legal supplements.

Rogerson said: “Ten years ago I could see why people resorted to steroids but now there are alternatives. Protein is the building block of supplements that helps muscle repair and then there is creatine which increases energy levels and speeds up recovery rates.”

He went on to say: “Now supplements are getting more effective people assume there must be some negative side to them in the same way as steroids but this is not the case”. Dr Dewar also approves of the use of legal supplements which cause no danger to health.

The idea behind the legal supplements is to provide a cheap and practical addition to your diet. One ounce of chicken breast contains roughly seven grams of protein and a protein shake can contain around 40 grams.
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^^ I have no idea what the point of that article is. Perhaps to further parrot the run around of non science information to reinforce naive ideas, yeah, that's it. I have no problem if people are for or against something, but it kills me when their decision is made with NIL info.
 
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