Teenager's death is proof steroids can kill

Hoss said:
^^ I have no idea what the point of that article is. Perhaps to further parrot the run around of non science information to reinforce naive ideas, yeah, that's it. I have no problem if people are for or against something, but it kills me when their decision is made with NIL info.
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Personally, I agree with the doctor and the supplement store owner. Roids are not necessary or sufficient to build muscle or gain strength. There is the WDFPF (World Drug Free Powerlifting Federation) and its affiliate organisations in many countries in the world today.
 
I agree that they aren't sufficient.. we need GH too.

in all seriousness though, you don't need roids to get strong or big, but you'll get strong and big faster with them.
 
One can get drunk "very fast" on methanol but one would also end up blind, actually "blind drunk". As Dr Gray the pathologist said The temptation to take anabolic steroids should be offset by the risk of an early grave.

The problem with the microwave and instant coffee generation of today is that instant gratification leads to the mentality of needing to take shortcuts and get "instants". Pop a pill for this, pop another pill for the other, pop a pill to go to bed, pop another one to wake up ..... tis all a messed up.

As Shakespeare said :- Striving to be better, oft we mar what's well.
 
well, you keep saying risk, but do you know what risks and how big the risks are if the person who is taking the steroids is properly educated on them? Probably not all that big. And if that person wants to take the risk (there is always risk) then fine by me, let him do so.
 
blackbeard said:
One can get drunk "very fast" on methanol but one would also end up blind, actually "blind drunk". As Dr Gray the pathologist said The temptation to take anabolic steroids should be offset by the risk of an early grave.

The problem with the microwave and instant coffee generation of today is that instant gratification leads to the mentality of needing to take shortcuts and get "instants". Pop a pill for this, pop another pill for the other, pop a pill to go to bed, pop another one to wake up ..... tis all a messed up.

As Shakespeare said :- Striving to be better, oft we mar what's well.
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So alcohol and tobacco would fall under the same category, no? Actually they'd be worse considering they have no benefit. While various AAS can actually promote bone density, fat loss, and promote an overall sense of well-being.

You can talk about society, and quote philosophers all you'd like, if you'd like to talk about morals and ethics that's fine as we're all welcome to an opinion. But if you want to talk about science and factual information lmk.
 
Steroids would not make the blood vessels narrow, because they have no affect of smooth muscle. So this would show us that he also had high blood pressure. Which is also a known cause of LVH. So we've now determined he's a steroid user, and has HTN. HTN has millions of documented cases of LVH, while steroids at mild/moderate doses have very few. Now even if you assume the AAS caused the HTN, it still shows irresponsible use. And being irresponsible you can kill yourself with a paperclip.

Just to throw this in there: I would NEVER suggest for someone to use AAS, EVER. But as an educated professional on medicine, it really bothers me when people have misconceptions due to media and other construed information sources.
 
I would not consider the opinions of qualified doctors/pathologists as misconceptions due to media and other construed information sources. There are controversial doctors like 'Dr Death', the controversial Australian doctor but I don't know of any 'Dr Steroids'.
 
Actually, I think that if you ask doctors and other people and scientists who specialize in anabolic steroids you'd get the same answers Mreik is giving. You can't just ask a general practitioner about steroids, they don't know much about it, it's not what they specialize in. And that's the problem, you go to a doctor and ask about steroids and he says things that might be wrong or taken out of context because he hasn't studied steroids in depth.

Besides, everyone can be influenced by the media, even doctors. I think a lot of professionals aren't as careful about where they get their information as they should be.
 
Exactly what Karky said. You need to talk to someone who's educated on the subject, not just educated. There's a world of difference.
 
blackbeard said:
I would not consider the opinions of qualified doctors/pathologists as misconceptions due to media and other construed information sources. There are controversial doctors like 'Dr Death', the controversial Australian doctor but I don't know of any 'Dr Steroids'.
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I've been through several family medicine doctors. They're supposed to be qualified when it comes to health. I asked them about nutrition. They recomended I follow the food pyramid. :rolleyes: I had a doctor once tell me that I was obese because my BMI said so (I was carrying sub 10% bodyfat at the time). Generally doctors are the worst people to go to on subjects like this. A doctor once told me she was surprised my kidneys weren't failing due to enjoying more than 200 grams of protein a day. In fact, one of my nutritionist professors said the same thing.

Fact is most doctors know little to nothing about AAS.

If you want information, search pubmed and medline.

Search out TRT and HRT. For the aging generations, there are doctors out there that will prescribe testosterone. In fact, a bill was passed not too long ago that will now allow naturopathic doctors to prescribe testosterone.
 
That's really odd, I haven't been on in a while but I did read an article in the Essex Echo (the local paper of the kid that died) that the autopsy showed no signs of steroids being involved in the boys death but were going to run further toxicology tests to see if he had taken any.

I just looked for the article and I think I've found it but all mention of the autopsy have been removed!!

Wierd, considering that this was PROOF that steroids are evil killers and should be made illegal, you would have thought that the media would have also published the autopsy findings which were released over 2 weeks ago

But for the record, as I know what I'm saying (and what Karky & Hoss have said) is going to be misunderstood. I in no way encourage steroid use, it can have side effects which could be damaging especially if taken unsupervised.

My point is that stories like this are inaccurate and unhelpful. If you want to highlight the dangers of steroid abuse then tell people the truth, not fabricate stories that make good headlines.
 
I think why they have not mentioned the particular steroid blamed on this occasion can be seen from the following report about what happened when a star athlete was banned for using a particular steroid nandrolone in an :-

Experts say a mythology has grown up around anabolic steroids, a myth fed by the importance that sports' governing bodies attach to testing for them. In evidence they cite the increased sales of steroids and supplements that usually follow the exposure of high-profile athletes who test positive for drugs, such as the British sprinter Dwain Chambers.

The phenomenon was most obvious when elite athletes began testing positive for nandrolone, a substance that boosts endurance.

"The stuff literally flies off the shelves [after a positive test]," said a warehouseman at one leading nutritional product manufacturer. "The public seems to believe that if it's good enough for the stars, then it's good enough for them."

"These positive tests are like product placement," said Dr Dawson. "Adidas pay David Beckham millions to wear their boots, but the drug manufacturers get their products placed for free every time there is a major competition. It would be naive to think each positive drugs test isn't an endorsement of sorts. It proves the product works.

"For the vast majority, however, they don't work. They put your health at risk yet there has become something sexy about steroids."
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for the vast majority they don't work? I think anabolic steroids have been shown to increase muscle mass and strength beyond that of a natural control group many times.. hasn't it?
 
Karky said:
for the vast majority they don't work? I think anabolic steroids have been shown to increase muscle mass and strength beyond that of a natural control group many times.. hasn't it?
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The article says one in three GPs had encountered patients who used anabolic steroids and there is a specialist clinic to deal with steroid abusers. What do you think will happen when the teens and pre-teens caught with steroids in school use steroids?
 
blackbeard said:
The article says one in three GPs had encountered patients who used anabolic steroids and there is a specialist clinic to deal with steroid abusers. What do you think will happen when the teens and pre-teens caught with steroids in school use steroids?
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teens and pre-teens probably shouldn't use steroids. I'd wait until I was in my mid, maybe late 20s..

caught in school? I dunno, if they bring it to school they probably get expelled.. anyway, I don't see how your post says anything about me questioning the statement that steroids don't work.
 
Karky said:
I don't see how your post says anything about me questioning the statement that steroids don't work.
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Argue point, get proven wrong, switch point, repeat.
 
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