Teenager's death is proof steroids can kill

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This is about the teenager who wanted to bulk up and join the marines but got some steroids and it resulted in his death. The first source is the mirror.

Mirror said:
The tragic death of teenager Matt Dear is proof that steroids can kill. Bodybuilders, fitness fanatics and sportsmen and women should heed the sad fate of the Royal Marine cadet. Matt, 17, died after taking a substance he thought would enhance his performance but it cost him his life. Health experts worry that a growing number of people - young people in particular - think steroids are an easy, risk-free way to build muscles.
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The second source is the BBC. Steroids blamed for youth's death

BBC said:
Matthew's parents Chris and Tina Dear took the decision to release a picture of their son on his deathbed to highlight the dangers of illegal body building drugs.

Mr and Mrs Dear pleaded for others not to be tempted to take the drugs.

"Don't chance it," said Mr Dear. "You never know what you are actually taking."
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So how do we know steroids killed him? How did they kill him? Did he take anything besides steroids? Too many questions and not enough answers. A rule of thumb is that you shouldn't believe it when the media says steroids killed someone.. I'm not saying steroids are all good and jolly fine, but we don't know what actually killed this guy.
 
I don't know much about steroids, but I do know it's not something you take on your own. With that said, this kid's death is like crazy. I heard "rage" and I also hear suicide from the lack of. It's really a horrible thing to do and if someone is on roids, they should see a doctor and make sure it's within the limits. Even though it's not legal to have, I think any doctor should at least tell you if you're on the verge of something.
 
This from the Mirror again, I’ve read past the headlines (always a good idea) of a few newspaper articles to find out what actually happened and it turns out the guy paid £30 for ‘some pills’ off ‘some guy’ who told him they were steroids. The pills have not yet been tested so nobody knows what they actually are but doctors treating him have been quoted as saying ‘they have never seen anyone react to steroids like that’.

So to sum up, this story is about a kid who bought magic beans off a crook and took them without really knowing what they were. And in truth the press don’t know either but they are reporting it as a death from steroids even though the symptoms the boy has displayed are not those associated with steroid use

Never let truth get in the way of a bandwagon and sensationalist story (not news) writing

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The guy died while playing Wii Fit, so it's certain that playing Wii Fit kills, right?
 
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I'm sort of interested in everyone's stance on steroids? Do people generally agree with the usage of steroids? Or do people just generally agree that steroids doesn't kill people?

In terms of the media, steroids have been in the spotlight of a few killings. The biggest one recently was with the wrestler who killed his family and himself. I watched an MTV "True Life" show about steroids user, however, getting information on MTV is the equivalent of getting information from a GI Joe infomercial. The interesting thing is that several of the teenagers taking the drug eventually killed himself years later. Do they have any sort of study on the long term effects of steroids usage?
 
I read the Wii death thing, and it appears they didn't blame the Wii machine for causing this death. It appears the reader's assumption is that he died because of the Wii machine. Sort of like if someone died in a Ford, Ford's car are death machines.

The difference with the steroids article is that it directly blames the usage of steroids rather than an indication that his death is due to something else. However, the other articles indicates that his death is due to a pill he thought was steroids but wasn't.

I think the media incorrectly blamed what is wrong here. It's sort of like a crack dealer selling kool aid, and someone pumping their body with kool aid only to die. Cracks are illegal in the first place, and it is even more wrong when you sell fake drugs. Sort of like this steroids articles. Steroids are already bad... but selling fake steroids is even worst.

This is indeed "proof" that steroids kills. It's not directly steroids that kills, it's idiots who uses them that kills. Sort of like a gun.
 
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Dallen said:
This is indeed "proof" that steroids kills. It's not directly steroids that kills, it's idiots who uses them that kills. Sort of like a gun.
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Kinda like aspirin? Cars? Knives? Alcohol? Salty foods? Saturated fat? Abuse any of these things and you can die, very easily. I guarantee you could take any aspirin 'pill' and any 'steroid pill' and just have two people take one every minute side-by-side and the aspirin would kill first. The steroids might make the other guys BP shoot up for a week, and grow some boobs but otherwise okay. Steroids don't kill people. Idiocy kills people.
 
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Kinda like aspirin? Cars? Knives? Alcohol? Salty foods? Saturated fat? Abuse any of these things and you can die, very easily. I guarantee you could take any aspirin 'pill' and any 'steroid pill' and just have two people take one every minute side-by-side and the aspirin would kill first. The steroids might make the other guys BP shoot up for a week, and grow some boobs but otherwise okay. Steroids don't kill people. Idiocy kills people.
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Aspirin damage, Aspirin damage
Kills the pain, destroys the brain
No one told me 'bout Aspirin damage
Sometimes I find myself shakin'
From the medication taken
Oh yeah.

but yeah, couldn't agree more.
 
Dallen said:
The difference with the steroids article is that it directly blames the usage of steroids rather than an indication that his death is due to something else. However, the other articles indicates that his death is due to a pill he thought was steroids but wasn't.
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No it didn't, the headline did. If you read the article you'll see that they just imply a link as the cause of the boys death is not known and the nature of the drug he had taken is also unknown so it is the same thing - a headline that allows reads to jump to a hasty and probably inaccurate conclusion
 
They should do tests and tell us the name of the exact drug that killed him. After all when people are given poison or overdose on something they tell people the name of the drug involved. Here is another angle from the BBC.

From the facts given :-

- skinny dude
- wanted to bulk up
- ran 6 or 7 miles every day
- wanted to be strong enough to carry other marines

He should not IMO have gone down the take AAS route being a minor. He needed to start eating and doing strength training (5x5 anyone?). If you want to become strong(er), you do not undereat or just eat enough and then run 6 or 7 miles a day.
 
These could be the worst news articles I've ever read. They're full of sympathetic nonsense and don't actually say anything! They know the steroids killed him, yet it doesn't say how he died? Media just publish whatever will be read, and people are fools for believing them instead of educating themselves.
 
After thinking some more on these articles, I think everyone missed the big point in this article. It's not about Steroids, it's about the fact that a parent lost a child. I think anyone losing a child to any thing will definitely focus on what made their child lost. In this case, it's steroids - or a form of - and I think the parents will definitely tell others not to do drugs or take illegal medications. Think of it like John Walsh. The guy lost his child to a murderer, and now he's set on catching criminals. That's what's going on here. Of course there will be exceptions, but the cold hard truth of the matter is that he wanted to do steroids, whether he actually got steroids or another type of thing, he died because of it.
 
How in the world did you come to that conclusion??? Look at the title, "Steroids blamed for youth's death"!?
 
I read that his autopsy was yesterday, I just did a news search on Google and there are no mentions of the outcome.

IMO that probably means that either wasn't taking steroids at all or they had nothing to do with his death
 
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After thinking some more on these articles, I think everyone missed the big point in this article. It's not about Steroids, it's about the fact that a parent lost a child. I think anyone losing a child to any thing will definitely focus on what made their child lost. In this case, it's steroids - or a form of - and I think the parents will definitely tell others not to do drugs or take illegal medications. Think of it like John Walsh. The guy lost his child to a murderer, and now he's set on catching criminals. That's what's going on here. Of course there will be exceptions, but the cold hard truth of the matter is that he wanted to do steroids, whether he actually got steroids or another type of thing, he died because of it.
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How did you come to that conclusion?
All the media coverage has been shouting about the boy being killed by steroids even though it hasn't been proven that he was taking steroids or that they killed him. Add to that the fact that the doctors treating him have said that they have never seen anyone respond to steroids in this way should be a good indication that steroids had no part to play in the death.

So why are the articles making these claims?

A: Because it's sensationalist bull**** that people want to read as it confirms their already innacurate and uneducated opinions
 
Re-reading the articles led me to that conclusion because it stated in it:

Obviously we didn't know he was taking steroids. We haven't got a clue why he's done that. They're still investigating that they were steroids, because obviously what Matt thought he was taking might not be the case.
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I was very reluctant and that was absolutely a nightmare to take that picture, but we had the picture there and we thought we'd just like to warn every other parent. When their children attend these places they've got to keep their eye on them so much. Please, please, please don't chance it, don't listen to magazines and watch other media and think that you have to look like them and be big and, especially for girls, being skinny, just be yourself because everybody loves you the way you are.
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The drugs have been sent for testing. Dad Chris, 43, said: "The doctors told us they have never seen anyone react like that to steroids. We believe they were a rogue batch." Chris and wife Tina, 41, of Southend, Essex, are campaigning to highlight the dangers of the Class C drugs, only legally available with a prescription, and want laws on their use to be changed..
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Matthew's parents Chris and Tina Dear took the decision to release a picture of their son on his deathbed to highlight the dangers of illegal body building drugs.
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Mr and Mrs Dear pleaded for others not to be tempted to take the drugs.

"Don't chance it," said Mr Dear. "You never know what you are actually taking."
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In the original article, it appears someone else reinterpreted it into an "anti steroids" cause without giving ample proof, but these other articles appear that the parents just want to warn others and appear to be in pro-steroids legal usages given by a prescription. If you legalize things, that means people can get the proper dosage and it ensures that things will be pure and not a "homemade" batch.
 
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Yeah, so it is about steroids, those quotes are talking about drug and steroid use but it looks most likely that the kid didn't die from taking steroids
 
Typhon said:
Yeah, so it is about steroids, those quotes are talking about drug and steroid use but it looks most likely that the kid didn't die from taking steroids
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That's not how I understood it. I understood it as like, "Yeah, it's okay to take these things the legal way, but it's not okay to take them when they are illegal. If you take illegal drugs, you run the risk of having a bad batch which in turn can kill you like it did to our son."

It doesn't only mean steroids, and the parents aren't blaming steroids directly for causing their son's death. They are blaming the fact that he died as a result of taking what he thought to be steroids; and he gotten a bad batch because the stuff isn't legal and people who give the steroids are doing so the illegal way.
 
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