Performance -Not Enough!
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early sunrise run - to the gym touch door and back - 11.4 miles 1:44:28
mountan bike with TJ - 3 hours in the mud and rain- great fun! we go so lost we finally found a road an a house and got directions. another 45 minutes from that point to get back top the truck. My baby boy cried, learned a lil bit about hydrating when his calve cramped
But told his mom and sisters all abou the great adventure. (Rich- we left from Trout creek (Fletcher) and ended up at the Hillsboro State (past the turn on Morris Bridge))
evening run: 3 miles - taking off now, 8:30 pm, on very sore legs.
(motivated by Sparrow's sissy bag sniveling!):yelrotflmao:
edit: DONE! 3 mi. 22:16:34 - 7:16mm booyah!!!
He is Risen!
Sweat Daily!
FF
early sunrise run - to the gym touch door and back - 11.4 miles 1:44:28
mountan bike with TJ - 3 hours in the mud and rain- great fun! we go so lost we finally found a road an a house and got directions. another 45 minutes from that point to get back top the truck. My baby boy cried, learned a lil bit about hydrating when his calve cramped
But told his mom and sisters all abou the great adventure. (Rich- we left from Trout creek (Fletcher) and ended up at the Hillsboro State (past the turn on Morris Bridge))evening run: 3 miles - taking off now, 8:30 pm, on very sore legs.
(motivated by Sparrow's sissy bag sniveling!):yelrotflmao:
edit: DONE! 3 mi. 22:16:34 - 7:16mm booyah!!!
He is Risen!
Sweat Daily!
FF
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Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense (about the fatigue). I just swam 2 miles non-stop...took about 1 hour and 24 minutes. That's 64 laps across AND back in the indoor Olmpic pool. I also don't do a flip-turn, but I do kick-off the wall and cruise a bit...think it compensates for the change of direction. Yeah, swimming is strong. Biking is strong....
Running, for me, is a nightmare....but it's been about 50-pounds of weight-loss since I last tried to run. Generally running is very similar to when I first started swimming: in a short distance I was winded. I weighed too much, wasn't in shape and probably ran faster then I could maintain. If running is like my swimming, it'll take time but I gradually find my stride/rate. I did try a bit of running some time ago and discovered (duhhhhhh) that with the weight loss I was able to go and go and go....couldn't believe it. Maybe I could be a runner...not a great one, but my goal at this point is just to compete & finish a tri, hardly to win it.
My build is just too line-backer, I'm just too heavy to run well. I'm 5' 8" and at about 13% body-fat I'm still weighing about 225 pounds!!!! That's stupid-heavy, I'm about 50 pounds heavier then most any other 5' 8"-er.
The ONLY reason I have the idea of runnin a tri in my head is that I hear they have a Clydesdale class...basically guys with my physique (disadvantage). Really, it's just a goal. Winning is not likely something I could do, I just want to participate & complete one. Right now, with my knee aching & f'd-up, I'm really distant from this....but I like having that goal out there in front of me.
Okay, truth is.....I wake up each morning and ask myself "why can't I be FF"....so this is my step towards that direction.
As for 5-strokes, then breath: damn!!! I can go about 3 comfortably....but 4 is just starving for oxygen and 5 is red-faced. Is it really that advantageous to not stop for air???
Btw, I don't like the idea of swimming in the ocean. I'm sure you know the phobia. I could do it with other people....but I'd need a wet-suit that has an arrow pointing away from me and a message reading "eat him, he taste better"
And also btw...I do most my summer swimming in Lake Arrowhead....it's fresh-water, kinda on the cool side and at 5,100-feet altitude!
Like I say, it's just a distant goal...and something I'm looking into. Thanks for the advice.
Right now I'm a bit frustrated....I train & exercise SOOOO much, and I eat healthy & lean....but the weight is so f-in stubborn it just doesn't want to come off. I don't get it. Feels like a condemnation. I'm working with the nutritionist and even he concedes he's never, in all his clients, seen someone fight so hard to make a bit of headway!
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I'm loving your curiosity of the sport. I know some guys who actually keep their weight on to compete in Clydesdale! Some Athenas too.
no its not. FF does his thing but I wouldn't recommend that. Find a rhythm thats going to work for you and keep you ahead of your oxygen requirements. Yes you'll be working hard, but no you shouldn't feel like you're struggling for air constantly. I cannot even go 5 strokes without breathing on a continuous basis. My natural pool swimming pattern is actually breathing every 2 strokes (breathe on my right side) and when I do tris I breathe bilaterally (every 3 so I can see both sides). In open water I lift my eyes forward every 20 or so strokes then take a breath as I swin my head right and then back down to the water. Same on my left. The people who go the most strokes without any air are called sprinters.
In a tri you want the swim to be easy and smooth. You won't be going as fast as you can for the distance-that will kill you for the rest of your race. The swim is the shorest part of the whole thing, you just need to get through it comfortably so that when you get out of the water you just feel warmed up and ready to rip up the rest of the course. Not even the super fast swimmers go as fast as they can in a tri. Its a trial and error thing.
Btw, I don't like the idea of swimming in the ocean. I'm sure you know the phobia. I could do it with other people....but I'd need a wet-suit that has an arrow pointing away from me and a message reading "eat him, he taste better"
LOL
I hate the ocean tooI did some open water distance training there! Beautiful
For the record I have this problem too. How many calories do you eat? My issue is I just don't eat enough and I'm not willing to go through weight gain to get my metabolism where it really should be.
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Sparrow,
Thanks so much for taking the time to address & answer all my questions. Yeah, one day I'd like to participate and just complete a triathlon. My buddy Dustin apparently just competed and he's in the Clydesdale class...but he's nowhere near as thick as I am. I'm not fat, I'm just THICK, I think guys like me do these Strong-Man competitions where they lift heavy objects, push things, carry things and rotate through a series of challenges...it doesn't interest me in the least. I just want to experience a swim & bike event...and if I have to run, then so be it. In a perfect world it'd be just swim/bike.
Up until one week ago all my free-style swimming was like yours...a breath each time I twisted to my right side, so that'd be every 2nd stoke (breath, one-two, breath). It's very comfortable and if/when you speed it up, you can get your Oxygen. The swimming pro at our pool says you want/need a balanced stroke and strongly encouraged me to develop the alternating-side "every 3rd-stroke" pattern. At first it felt very foreign breathing on my left side, but in short time I rather adapted to it and I think it may have made me more efficient. At this point it's all for exercise, especially since (on account of my knee injury) swimming is the only cardio I can get in.
As for my diet...I've got my calories down, I'm seeing a nutritionist about what I'm eating and I get plenty of weights & cardio; the progress is just painfully slow. Even my nutritionist says I'm the client who works the hardest and yet struggles for results. It's so common for my weight to remain almost hte same, yet my body-fat % goes down. He thinks it's awesome & perfect and would be nothing short of excited if I became a pale version of the Incredible Hulk....but me, I wanna look more normal...I want a leaner waist, firmer body. If you don't mind me being pig-blunt: I'd like woman to look at me and turn to their friends and say "check out the bod on that guy!!!"...that seems like a good measure. Forget the scale, forget the body-fat%, it's all about the reaction & opinion of the opposite sex! Oh, my wife already says I've got a great body, so naturally I dismiss her commentary. I'm far from being "there"....still got a 38" waist, double-chin and my right chest still has a wee hint of sagging moob-action. Also some slight bulging around the "love-handle" area.....it's not real love-handles per se, just the natural slight bulge that anyone over 10% body-fat will have.
Anyways...I diet, do weights, get lots of cardio (I was upto 18 hours per week prior to the knee injury) and I'm always the guy eating the salad with dressing on the side while everyone else is enjoying a hamburger or pizza. I swear, I'm soooo good and try soooo hard and yet it's like trying to make headway into a 40 mph headwind. But ya know, I have no chioce...so I persevere & continue.
Back to topic. I like goals & numbers....so doing a tri sounds really neat. I'm sure I can wait for one that involves a local lake, that or start training with other guys who swim in the ocean. In the water by myself: no frigin way!!! I won't even go in my swimming pool at night w/o the light on! Ya know, it's that instinctive thing not to voluntarily allow yourself to become part of a food chain where you may not be at the top!
Thanks so much for taking the time to address & answer all my questions. Yeah, one day I'd like to participate and just complete a triathlon. My buddy Dustin apparently just competed and he's in the Clydesdale class...but he's nowhere near as thick as I am. I'm not fat, I'm just THICK, I think guys like me do these Strong-Man competitions where they lift heavy objects, push things, carry things and rotate through a series of challenges...it doesn't interest me in the least. I just want to experience a swim & bike event...and if I have to run, then so be it. In a perfect world it'd be just swim/bike.
Up until one week ago all my free-style swimming was like yours...a breath each time I twisted to my right side, so that'd be every 2nd stoke (breath, one-two, breath). It's very comfortable and if/when you speed it up, you can get your Oxygen. The swimming pro at our pool says you want/need a balanced stroke and strongly encouraged me to develop the alternating-side "every 3rd-stroke" pattern. At first it felt very foreign breathing on my left side, but in short time I rather adapted to it and I think it may have made me more efficient. At this point it's all for exercise, especially since (on account of my knee injury) swimming is the only cardio I can get in.
As for my diet...I've got my calories down, I'm seeing a nutritionist about what I'm eating and I get plenty of weights & cardio; the progress is just painfully slow. Even my nutritionist says I'm the client who works the hardest and yet struggles for results. It's so common for my weight to remain almost hte same, yet my body-fat % goes down. He thinks it's awesome & perfect and would be nothing short of excited if I became a pale version of the Incredible Hulk....but me, I wanna look more normal...I want a leaner waist, firmer body. If you don't mind me being pig-blunt: I'd like woman to look at me and turn to their friends and say "check out the bod on that guy!!!"...that seems like a good measure. Forget the scale, forget the body-fat%, it's all about the reaction & opinion of the opposite sex!
Oh, my wife already says I've got a great body, so naturally I dismiss her commentary. I'm far from being "there"....still got a 38" waist, double-chin and my right chest still has a wee hint of sagging moob-action. Also some slight bulging around the "love-handle" area.....it's not real love-handles per se, just the natural slight bulge that anyone over 10% body-fat will have. Anyways...I diet, do weights, get lots of cardio (I was upto 18 hours per week prior to the knee injury) and I'm always the guy eating the salad with dressing on the side while everyone else is enjoying a hamburger or pizza. I swear, I'm soooo good and try soooo hard and yet it's like trying to make headway into a 40 mph headwind. But ya know, I have no chioce...so I persevere & continue.
Back to topic. I like goals & numbers....so doing a tri sounds really neat. I'm sure I can wait for one that involves a local lake, that or start training with other guys who swim in the ocean. In the water by myself: no frigin way!!! I won't even go in my swimming pool at night w/o the light on! Ya know, it's that instinctive thing not to voluntarily allow yourself to become part of a food chain where you may not be at the top!
No, he's right. FF's a serious guy and this absolutely is his journal. No offense taken.
hahaha I'm not all that serious, but to have another guy going as far as describing his own breast fat in my TRAINING LOG is a bit much. sheeeesh....
run: 6 miles
ride: 1 hour, speed drills (cold air burning the lungs)
run: 6 miles
total run time of 1:32:26
Total workout of 2.5 hours.
Did both at the Upper Tampa nature trail
I can get my bike to 25, 26, but I can't keep it any faster than about 22. Lots of work to do. Would like to have a comfortable average speed of 17.5. Currently my 5 hours comfort pace is 16.6 or so.
ALSO looks lik I may do the Lakeland Strawberry Festival Century Ride on Sunday.
Sweat Daily!
FF
run: 6 miles
ride: 1 hour, speed drills (cold air burning the lungs)
run: 6 miles
total run time of 1:32:26
Total workout of 2.5 hours.
Did both at the Upper Tampa nature trail
I can get my bike to 25, 26, but I can't keep it any faster than about 22. Lots of work to do. Would like to have a comfortable average speed of 17.5. Currently my 5 hours comfort pace is 16.6 or so.
ALSO looks lik I may do the Lakeland Strawberry Festival Century Ride on Sunday.
Sweat Daily!
FF
Mmm...breast...fat.. :drooling1:
Please...I much prefer subcutaneous chest muscle-challenged tissue. Point taken; you don't give a tit, I mean ****.
FF....when you're competing and someone in your league passes you...do you push harder or just ignore it and run your race regardless?
that is a very good question! And before i answer it points out something....
if you are running a large marathon, and you are a 9 minute runner, where do you line up. in the past I have always lined up with the 10's- with the thought of staying strong in that group will make me feel good.
the last high profile 1/2 marathon i did, I took some advice and lines up with the 8's. and i finished with an average mile pace of 7:48. And since then, be relaxed trainign runs are evne coming in at 8's verses 9's. Distance running is sooo mental. The most important part I believe is managing pace and KNOWING you can make the distance in constatn motion- then it is all about psuhing that edge.
When i am passed, it depends where in the race we are.
if in the beginning i let them go- and think-- see you in a few miles, I am in control of myself, and i will stay strong.
mid race, I try to draft a bit, it's just mental
toward th end of a race, I try to keep up, or even pass back. i think- crap! he (or she) managed better, but I AM WILLING TO SUFFER!
great question! RACE strategy is critical for strong athletic performances.
Sweat Daily
FF
if you are running a large marathon, and you are a 9 minute runner, where do you line up. in the past I have always lined up with the 10's- with the thought of staying strong in that group will make me feel good.
the last high profile 1/2 marathon i did, I took some advice and lines up with the 8's. and i finished with an average mile pace of 7:48. And since then, be relaxed trainign runs are evne coming in at 8's verses 9's. Distance running is sooo mental. The most important part I believe is managing pace and KNOWING you can make the distance in constatn motion- then it is all about psuhing that edge.
When i am passed, it depends where in the race we are.
if in the beginning i let them go- and think-- see you in a few miles, I am in control of myself, and i will stay strong.
mid race, I try to draft a bit, it's just mental
toward th end of a race, I try to keep up, or even pass back. i think- crap! he (or she) managed better, but I AM WILLING TO SUFFER!
great question! RACE strategy is critical for strong athletic performances.
Sweat Daily
FF
the other point on this, and as it was for my last race- IS when you are passing, do you pass eventually, or pass strong?
I had a few strong passes and got passed right back
the eventual, natural pass serves me as a runner much better in the long run. excuse the pun.
p.s. on the bike right now, I just expect to get there before the food is all gone. hahahahaa
I had a few strong passes and got passed right back
the eventual, natural pass serves me as a runner much better in the long run. excuse the pun.
p.s. on the bike right now, I just expect to get there before the food is all gone. hahahahaa
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the other point on this, and as it was for my last race- IS when you are passing, do you pass eventually, or pass strong?
I had a few strong passes and got passed right back
the eventual, natural pass serves me as a runner much better in the long run. excuse the pun.
I read the above and was going to respond with this point...and then read on and saw you made it! "Great minds..." and all that
Great job on the 1:32. Thats a smokin run for 12 total miles. Its obviously normal in the biking community, but I cannot imagine going 25-26 on a bike. I was huffin it pretty good at 24 for a measly 12 miles yesterday.