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Karky said:
Let's start another thread for this discussion.
Come to think about it, we should really have started a new thread for the whole baby killing discussion, but if Evo thinks it's OK then it's good.. it was a random thread anyways. But since it has evolved into a discussion I think we should stick to that one topic in this one thread.
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There's nothing to debate. You either support killing babies in the stomach or you don't.

I used to be pro-choice, until I did some research and found out that the heart and lungs are already developing by the first 3 weeks. That's all I need to know it is down-right murder.
 
Phate89 said:
There's nothing to debate. You either support killing babies in the stomach or you don't.

I used to be pro-choice, until I did some research and found out that the heart and lungs are already developing by the first 3 weeks. That's all I need to know it is down-right murder.
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Seriously, this is one road a forum discussion shouldn't go down, you don't know the experiences of the people on the forum
 
Just sayin. You seemed to criticize Asian cultures for supposedly murdering baby girls in the millions, but you don't criticize western governments for allowing abortion to happen.
 
Typhon said:
But yes, abortions will make up a part of that 12.5%, whether people consider that murder is up to them

As for unreporting, it's less common than you might think, in China, each housing area has a 'nanny' who regularly checks the houses of all women of child bearing age to keep check of their family. She lives in their neighbourhood and would report any sign of another child
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There aren't exactly housing "areas" in the rural parts of china (from what i have personalyl seen) I doubt there will be an individual nanny checking up at each of the farms.


As to abortions, there is a 28% abortion rate in china (as of 2005, it's more than likely risen), that's a sizable number, and must be applied to the number of parents. Which would also reduce your 12.5%
 
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what, so you dont' believe the sources claiming infanticide in india?
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:yelrotflmao:
I just meant that I had only mentioned China; I know infanticide is common in areas of Africa too but I'm tired of this now anyway so I'm not going to start disgussing any other regions

All I'll say is that if a pattern emerges of children going 'missing' as there is in China then the government of that country needs to take real action to alter the culture within the society that has led to that happening. This isn't only the case in China of course, but China was the subject of the thread
 
Typhon said:
The 12.5% come from national statistics, not rural, the figure may be higher in the rural areas and lower in the inner city but the average is 12.5% so can be applied nationwide
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I honestly dont' see how you can apply this nationwide. Alot of the population is past, or below child bearing age. And I read (i dont' recall where, but if you really want I'll look it up) that something of the sort of 38% of women and 8% of men are sterilized in china, so you can't apply tihs 12.5%to them, because, it is my opinion that choosing to be sterilized means that you chose NOT to kill your baby by not having a baby at all. You then have to match the 38 some percent of wmen, who probably are married to, or having sex with men who are not sterilized, which removed another some number of the population from the list of people who allegedly kill their babies, and same with the 8% of men.

Honestly, that 12.5% is bloated by abortion, even if you do not think of abortion as murder, or you do, we are talking about murder after birth aren't we? and it really can't be applied to the population as a whole when you consider all mitigating circumstances


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here's the source.

You may or may not have a problem with a china based website, i assume u'll take it's credibility for what it's worth since we were also taking statistics from CNN.


some interesting stuff here, for instance

China has a decades-long history of family planning. The Chinese Government, since 1979, has encouraged the "one-child" policy to control population growth (rural families and ethnic minorities are permitted to have two children) and contraception has been widely available.
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it further goes on to state even more contraceptive methods, so you can't include that population in your 12.5% either

12.5% cannot be applied to the whole.
 
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wow, i hadn't actually read the first few lines of that thing clearly

Research by the United Nations Population Fund published in 2003 indicates that the use of contraception in China is almost universal – at 83 percent.
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if we assume the majority of this 83% successfully uses contraception, i can't see these people as being counted towards the 12.5%, since they chose specifically not to have a child, and thus chose not to murder a child. So you can only apply 12.5% to the population not using contraception, (which is likely less than 17 percent because some of that 17% is too old or too young).

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let's finish this, it is getting tiring after all
So, from how I see it, you cannot apply 12.5% to the population that cannot or chooses not to have any babies, therefore, we find that in just taking the number 17% (because i really don't know how many people of that can or cannot have kids) and taking 12.5% of that 17% we would arrive on 2 % of the total population. which is a high number because not 100% of the population is of child bearing age.

2% is a small percent to me, personally, i don't think it's something to judge a culture by.
Also, the more factors you take into account (not all that 17% is of child bearing age, 12.5% is an abortion supported number, and the abortion rate is 28% as of 2005), the less this percentage is; 2% calculated includes people that can't have kids and people who aborted their kids before they were born; it is skewed upward. A trend doesn't necessarily apply to the whole population...
 
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a good session of WS4SB3 has opened my eyes to the fact that we both wasted our time (or at least i wasted my time, i assume u feel the same) trying to convince more or less a total stranger of something the other is not ever going to change their mind on (like an atheist and a devoutly religious person discussing the existance of god, the conversation would never end).

Now don't get me wrong, i'm still sticking to what i believe, but this is my last post on this thread.
 
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