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Bam - More Variety Needed!

Bam

Considering that you are not allowed store bought mince, and only a very small amount of tomato and onion each day, I would suggest that you are limiting your own weight loss – and not achieving adequate nutrition with your meals, if you are really only eating what you say for Meals 2 & 3 each day.

How varied was your menu previously? Have you no imagination with food? Is that what contributed to your obesity? I would strongly suggest that you discuss this with your consultant before you go any further.

At the very least, introduce tuna – that is easy to prepare, and if you don’t like fish, have the three cheese meals each week. If you have limited cooking facilities then use a non stick frypan and cook your weighed meat in one piece, then slice and add to a salad.

Check the recipes on the official website for inspiration, but if you really cannot cook and can only prepare simple meals, what you are eating is not appropriate and it will be only too easy for you to go back to bad old habits.

Here is one quick and easy suggestion:

Pour a generous slosh of balsamic vinegar into a small casserole dish. Put the dish on the scales and put your meat in the dish. Turn the meat over a couple of times. Sprinkle on salt and pepper, maybe a half teaspoon of dry mustard powder or some dried herbs or a shake of chilli flakes.

So far, so good. Reset the scales.

Now add a variety of vegetables to make up the vegetable weight. Include eg a cube of frozen spinach or a couple of frozen Brussels sprouts (these two vegetables are great for ‘regularity’), and how about some celery, a slice of capsicum, some zucchini or squash, a spring onion, some mushrooms, whatever you’ve got but try and have some of about six vegetables. Chop them or leave them in chunks, it doesn’t matter.

Take the dish off the scales, and add tap water to about the level of the meat. Put foil on top (larger than the dish) and put the lid on that. Put in a medium over for an hour or so. Eat when you are ready. Drink the soup. Wash the dish. Done! Eat crispbread with or after the meal. A bit later, cut up an orange for desert.

Take a chicken salad for lunch: Put chicken in foil in the oven while the casserole is cooking, then put the cooked chicken in the fridge until the morning. In the morning, put a take away food container on the scales, put sliced mushroom in the bottom of the container, drizzle mayonnaise over the mushroom, then add sliced zucchini, capsicum, cucumber, celery – whatever you’ve got – and slice the chicken and put that on top. Sprinkle over salt & pepper, wrap the crispbread & a plastic fork in cling film and put in the container, put the lid on and don’t forget the water bottle! Oh, and take an apple with you as well.

If you are really cunning, cook two casseroles the first night so that the next day you will have one already cooked in the fridge which you can just microwave and then cook the next night’s dinner a day ahead. You get the idea.

If you haven’t got any casserole dishes, any oven proof dish or metal tray will do, just use foil and make a parcel to cook the food in. You won’t get the soup this way but you will at least get a tasty and nutritious dinner!

Bam, I have a friend who lost the same amount as I have, 25 kilos, but she lived on lettuce and spinach and fillet steak. She has had trouble maintaining weight since completing the program, whereas I am just bobbing along, three months later, at a very stable 59.5kilos. I made sure that I had as much variety in the ingredients as I could, but I didn’t do any elaborate recipes, just the salads and casseroles although I did enjoy the grilled cheese with pizza-type vegetables a couple of times a week.

You don’t have to be a cook to do a stir fry or a salad or a casserole. I never ate zucchini raw before, but during the program discovered that I much prefer it to cucumber although cucumber, feta cheese, crispbread and lots of cracked pepper is very tasty.

And cooking a quick frittata for breakfast can be done while you’re getting your lunch organised. Just chop up some mushrooms, a slice of tomato, some zucchini or maybe some asparagus if you’ve got a tin open, put in a non-stick frypan (you won’t need any oil), and put on a low heat – put a lid on the frypan. After a few minutes, stir that a bit, and pour a beaten egg over the vegetables, put the lid back on, and the egg will cook and puff up – then just scrape out onto a plate, do the salt & pepper thing, eat and lick the plate!

Of course, if you prefer, you can do ‘egg and soldiers’ (soft boiled egg plus crispbread) and eat a couple of sticks of raw celery as the vegetable.

I became very happy with yoghurt and kiwi fruit for breakfast, and I still have this most days. The yoghurt has amazing staying power – I have to set the alarm on my phone to remind me when it’s lunch time, otherwise I’d forget to eat lunch at all! I was not hungry at any time on the program and I am still not hungry now.

Please introduce more variety into your daily food choices. Please discuss this with your consultant. You don’t want to ever have to ‘diet’ again and what you are eating now is too restricted for a healthy body response to unlimited food again later.

Cheers

Chelsea
 
Chelsea

Thankyou for your reply.

Considering that you are not allowed store bought mince, and only a very small amount of tomato and onion each day, I would suggest that you are limiting your own weight loss – and not achieving adequate nutrition with your meals, if you are really only eating what you say for Meals 2 & 3 each day.

- I was told that i could buy Mince from the Butcher by my consultant.. Thought i was doing the right thing?


How varied was your menu previously? Have you no imagination with food? Is that what contributed to your obesity? I would strongly suggest that you discuss this with your consultant before you go any further.

- You may think im silly, but i HATE the word Obesity.. i was never referred to as Obese, just not slender.. I realsied i had a bit of weight to lose once i started to feel uncomfortable in my size 16 Jeans. But i wouldnt have called me Obese.. Sorry i just really dislike that word, gives me a different picture.

Thankyou for your meal ideas.. They will really help. Im sure alot of people on the Forum will take those ideas into consideration also, they were a great help thankyou.

Congratulations on maintaining your weight. I do understand that i am eating the same thing day in day out.. and this i suppose is only because im a lazy food maker.. id rather starve somedays then eat?.. I am just not interested in food.. and how i got in this prediciment in the first place is a mystery.. Anyway, all that will change.. I have now decided to bring my goal weight forward and as of today i have now 12kg's to lose.

Once again thankyou for your time with posting that post.. much appreciated :D


PRINCESSOZ- You may think im cheating.. but i have moved my ticker to end at the time i order my re-feed which is 66kg's (as discussed with my consultant)... 2 kilo's from my goal weight of 64!! And also... the weightloss is working again.. I dropped a Kg overnight, very pleased with that :)
 
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Bam & Princessoz, Its really inspiring to see the 2 of you ladies so determined to lose the weight before xmas.... I am also determine to lose as much weight as possible before xmas... cos i dun think I will reach my target weight before xmas... but i know i will surely deviate a bit when xmas come... cos my bday is on the 26th Dec!!!

Wish me luck... cos i still have that trouble with biscuits... munching too much of it... so from today onwards.... no more excess.. and i mean not even one piece extra.. I promise myself this!!!

All the singapore ladies and gentleman, anyone organising a meetup? the other day i met up with fornight... she is such a nice and friendly lady... :)
 

Today is my 5th day and i am feeling great! Haven't jumped on the scales and don't really want to yet.
I am drinking my 3 litres of water easily but i am finding that the more i drink it the more i seem to need more... i get really thirsty. Is this just because the first few days your body is adjusting? I haven't felt this thirsty before.
I am not a coffee drinker but i loved my coke. Maybe i'm having withdrawal from all the caffeine i used to drink.
The big test for me is this weekend with 3 b'day parties on. I'm not sure if i want to tell everyone about the diet yet. I may just use the trick that 8-2 much said. Not feeling well or maybe my wisdom teeth are playing up again!
Hope everyone has a great weekend.
 
HI guy's,

Thanks for your congrates....... all you have to remember is to drink your water and eat only what is on your plan............... its hard at times..... but you have to do it.... I'm a 29 yrs old mother of 3 and nearlly lost my 2yrs old this time last yr......... it changed my life........ do this for your kids.... ask your self this..... Do you want to be around to see your kids, grandkids grow up?........ then stick to it you can do it....... this is your life and your future.

The biggest key is the water..........
When I started I had to drink 5ltrs a day and i did.

I'm having trouble with my pc so can't sent pics at this time but i will.

thanks to all ..... Just say to your self...... I CAN DO THIS.
 
Hermesetas

Hi Everyone,
Someone posted in here a while back a question about Hermesetas and it's new recipe. I have spoken with my consultant, who checked through the ingredients and confirmed my thoughts. The new recipe with the pakcaging that has fruit on the front and Fructofibre written on it, is not allowed on the plan. I sucks cos I only just bought a big jar of it, not that I use it much, just a little in my coffee every second day and a little bit in my yoghurt and kiwi fruit mix. I really hate Suagrine too, so it looks like I'll be going cold turkey and using nothing.

Have a great day everyone.


'The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.'

 
Good morning everyone,
Moni i sent you a p.m message did you get it ?
Netski Where are you ? how did you Marathon go?
Bamcongrats on getting to the half way mark
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- I was told that i could buy Mince from the Butcher by my consultant.. Thought i was doing the right thing?




- You may think im silly, but i HATE the word Obesity.. i was never referred to as Obese, just not slender.. I realsied i had a bit of weight to lose once i started to feel uncomfortable in my size 16 Jeans. But i wouldnt have called me Obese.. Sorry i just really dislike that word, gives me a different picture.

In regard to mince, my program guides says the following:
"Do not buy ground beef off the shelf, as it is often not pure and contains fats. If you want ground beef, select a lean steak with no fat, and ask the butcher to mince it for you."

Just my opinion but unless you have been eating fat-free 100% lean mince then I think this could account for some of your problems with ongoing weight loss.

Gosh I would hate to have a diet of cabbage and mince soups, it would drive me crazy after 1 week. Luckly there is plenty of scope for meals and preparation in Cohen (although it is limited).

Obese:
I hate that word too; but it did apply to me! Actually in medical terms it is used to describe a man with over 25% body fat or a lady with 30% or more body fat. The 5% difference has a very interest biological hypothesis behind it; is almost exactly the amount of energy needed to bring a fetus to full term. Whilst 3+4% body fat is the basic limit of body fat for human survival, most women stop having periods when they drop below 10% body fat; the fat the body keeps on reserve for growing babies.
 
Thankyou, LESSFATTY :)

Maybe i should really read through my program again, any wonder they say to read it through a few times to understand everything.

I might lay off the mince, and learn to like Tuna, Fish Etc..

Monday will be a clean slate for me, i seem to have misread a fair bit of my program... (silly me) :(
 
Hi everyone

I am on day 2 of refeed. I was so hungry over the last couple of weeks I couldn’t wait anymore to start. Today I could have a slice of bread and an extra piece of fruit with an extra 30gms of protein and 40gms of veg. By next week I can mix protein and the 5 hour rule goes too.

Today for lunch I had the slice of bread with my chicken and asparagus soup and an apple. I actually feel really full and its not because I drank heaps of Diet coke. Its been a long time since I have felt full on this program.

Yesterday I went to look for new vitamins as the Blackmores ones I was using ran out. I really shouldn't have been using those either as the B6 in them was 20mgs (B6 apparently make you hungry). After scanning the shelves I bought some Natures Own. Then this morning after taking one and discovered on the label it said there was glucose in them. I was so angry with my self!!! Now I have to go and get some other brand. It is hard to find vitamins with less than 5 mgs of B6. What brand of vitamins are other people taking?

I am hoping the last 2kg falls off during refeed. If not I will attempt to do the program for a week after refeed is done and things have settled down.

Netski, Lizzi and others that have completed refeed how are you coping having to make decisions on your own. I am scared I will go crazy not having a diet telling me what to eat.

Karol
 
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Bam and Less Fatty I have bought mince from the supermarket, but it the 5 star lean stuff there is absolutly no fat in it but its really expensive (about $7 for 300gms) I hope that is ok, I couldn't find a butcher in my area that hasn't added some sort of marinade to their steaks. Also tuna and salad in awsome Bam, lots of cracked pepper I have been eating that day in day out not because I'm lazy but because I love it (except when I try and weigh it my cat gets in the way because she loves it too) I don't know if I'll ever get sick of it! try the chicken schnitzel recipe in ur booklet too, it's heaps easy to make (especially if you use just one ryvita instead of the vitawheats) and is so yum! I made a sort of parmi last night by blending some tomato and onion- didn't turn out too bad.... does anyone know how to make a good cohen friendly tomato sauce??
 
Only on cohens for 5 days now but am extremly thirsty and sweating all the time. Does this sound familiar to anyone?
 
KLJ I was sweating alot as well in my first week, consider that there are alot of toxins in your body that are coming out, through your pores and urine. Warning- mud masks are a good idea at this time cos trust me you will break out! and it does stop, my body took just over a week to finish detoxing
 
BAM -
What sort of foods did you eat previously, before Cohens.... I've found it easier to stick to the style of food I ate before. I don't like cooking and I come home late from work. My normal style of cooking is stir fry's and to be honest that's all I do for dinners now. I never really liked gravy or sauces on meat dishes. So, I have stuck to the same style of food as what I like. But there is heaps of variety. I use different styles of meat - chicken, beef, kangaroo, calamari, prawns. I use different cuts of meat - thin breast chicken, chunky chicken, beef stirfry, beef chunks etc. I use different veges, although mainly mushrooms, zucchini, onion, bok choy - and I cut them different ways for different meals. I also vary the meal I have. So, sometimes I have the 115g chicken option, and sometimes the 105g chicken option etc. I have all my meat separated into the sizes I need, and I just reach into the freezer and the first one that I lay my hands on that works for that meal is what I choose! I also vary the herbs and spices that I use. All up, it takes me about 20 minutes to defrost the meat, cook the meal and eat the meal. Generally, I start when my family sit down to eat, and I join them and finish my meal around the same time as them!! The actual cooking takes about 5 minutes. So, its very quick and easy.
So, there are lots of ways to add variety without having to follow recipes and become complicated. I can't stand having to use recipes!!
For lunch, I do a similar thing. I have a salad, with either meat. chicken, tuna, prawns or calamari, with balsamic vinegar dressing (I had a really fantastic balsamic vinegar I brought home from Italy, but now I'm using the supermarket ones.. nowhere near as good!)
Occassionally, I have cheese and tomatoes with crispbread. But I find the meat fills me up more and for longer. I usually take a mandarin for lunch. I rarely have my crispbread with my meal. I prefer to eat it in between when I feel like a snack.
Most breakfasts, I have the yoghurt option with fruit. Some days I have apple, some times kiwi fruit. On the weekend, I have egg - either scrambled with veges, or fried (no oil) with mushrooms and tomato. Again it takes a couple of minutes to prepare.
If I haven't had my fruit for the day, I blend it together with Sprite Zero to make a "spider", or put some of it in the freezer as an ice cream.
So, my preparation is very quick and simple. I agree with Chelsea that you should add variety to your meals, because it will make you sick if you eat the same things all the time. But that doesn't have to be difficult to do!
 
Hungry!!

BAM - I hear you loud and clear! I just want to be finished, just eat meals with my family! All the power to those who have done it over a Christmas before!! WoW! I just want to be finished for Christmas! And I better, with no more 'D' words!! hehehe! It's even harder when people around me are saying I don't need to lose anymore, But I deserve to be skinny and I will. I just look so called, 'normal' now and everyone's used to seeing me BIG! Well I will be skinny at christmas (please God!).

Moni - Wow, I can't wait to see your before and after photo's well done. I bet it felt so great to be finished.

I could focus on 'i wish, i wish' but 'I will, I will' and just do it!!!
A few friends have started at not really sticking to it. One in particular, started the same time as me, and she could be finished now, but she mucks up a little bit every day. I don't want to be saying that I could have finished by now!! I talked to my consulant today and felt better. He said that my weightloss is in the top 5% since I've almost done 50kg in 5 months!!

Later:) Hope you guys all have a great weekend!
 
Yesterday I went to look for new vitamins as the Blackmores ones I was using ran out. I really shouldn't have been using those either as the B6 in them was 20mgs (B6 apparently make you hungry). After scanning the shelves I bought some Natures Own. Then this morning after taking one and discovered on the label it said there was glucose in them. I was so angry with my self!!! Now I have to go and get some other brand. It is hard to find vitamins with less than 5 mgs of B6. What brand of vitamins are other people taking?

In regard to glucose in the vitamins tablets, exactly how much glucose does it say on the package ? and how many are you taking or plan to take per day?

The reason I say this is because glucose is hardly a nasty substance, its quite vital to our bodies and brains/neurons, Cohen diet has significant amounts glucose in the foods of the diet.

I think better to put it in perspective of total sugars per day.

100 grams of a granny smith apple (1/2 a medium apple) would contain 10grams of sugars of which 3grams is glucose. This would be pretty much repeated for other Cohen approved fruits, so if you have 3 fruits/day then you would be consuming at around 50grams of sugar of which glucose would be 16grams.


100grams of Apple.
  • Total Sugars: 10.10grams
  • Sucrose: 0.82 grams
  • Glucose (dextrose): 3.25grams
  • Fructose: 6.03 grams

My point is that if glucose is in the fraction of a gram per pill and you take one or two per day then it may be a case of a "difference than doesnt make a difference is not a difference!", just have one bite less of an apple !

Congratulations on the refeeding!
 
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Wow! So many posts in so little time! Or it's been longer than I realized - either way - it's good to hear everyone's successes! COngratulations Lessfatty!! You rock!!

I am sorry to hear that your wife has had such trauma over food. It certainly isn't easy when we are so emotionally connected due to past traumas. I used to have similar traumas having gone through some difficult situations as a child. I often found myself eating something - not because I needed it or wanted it but from fear that it might never be there again. I highly reccommend looking into the EFT (emotional freedom technique) site that I reccommended in an earlier post. I had TONS of food hang ups due to trauma that I was able to clear up using his techniques. Now food is just food - their is no emotion attached to it. It's a nice state of being to be in.

Well - I haven't weighed again - but I had to tighten the buckles on my sandals and I was able to reach my toes again AND (this might be too graphic for some - you've been warned) drum role ....... I can wipe my bum with dignity again - instead of it being an acrobatic feat that would almost send me into cardiac arrest. There - I said it. Yes - that's how bad it had gotten and I tell you - the little things in life really mean a lot.

I went to a play group with my babies this week. One of the mother's have been on another weight loss program and were saying how they had lost 25 pounds/10.5kg over the last 4 MONTHS. Man have we got it good with Cohen's!!!! I was so tempted to tell her about Cohen's right then and there - but she has paid money for her program and is happy with it and almost to her goal. I figured I needn't rock her boat. But I am so thankful for cohen's - at the rate of weight loss she is having - I would have been dieting for YEARS!!! not months - (I do have 220 total pounds/100kg to lose and potentially I could go over the year mark but still!) We have a family reunion next summer - I totally intend on being near my goal by reunion time. ANd I am going to be so on that beach by my 24th anniversary!!

With DIgnity restored,
Momma Pajama
 
Hi Everyone,

How's things? Another weekend - another couple of days of pure temptation! But I will survive yeahaaha! I really want to learn about the whole emotional eating bit - I swear I feel like I have an addiction and can not be trusted around 'band' substances. I can so easily lie to myself as well. I'm a little bit scared at the moment that's all. I have just started week 8 and I feel as though I have hit a wall. The end seems sooooooooo far away and of course all the end of year get together's are creeping up. Christmas Parties, Melbourne Cup Luncheons etc etc. I just want to be finished already. BUT (and once again it's still a BIG BUTT) I need to finish this. I need to refocus...One day at a time right?

Momma Pajama - How hilarious! I loved your story - in fact I enjoy all of them. Your wonderful spirit seems to come through in your entries! I hope it is all going well for you. I have no doubt you will nail this. Way to go!

In regard to mulitivitamins I am still finishing off my pregnancy/breastfeeding blackmores tablets. They seem to have everything we need and without all the nasty extra's - gluten, yeast, sugar etc etc. I haven't delved into it greatly but I believe I've backed a winner??? Maybe someone can set me straight?

Anyone willing to give me a swift kick up the bum is more than welcome I need a good, "wake up, get back up and keep bloody going", call!

Cheerio!
 
I am sorry to hear that your wife has had such trauma over food. It certainly isn't easy when we are so emotionally connected due to past traumas. I used to have similar traumas having gone through some difficult situations as a child. I often found myself eating something - not because I needed it or wanted it but from fear that it might never be there again. I highly reccommend looking into the EFT (emotional freedom technique) site that I reccommended in an earlier post.

Well I would hardly call say my wife has trauma over food, rather strong convictions; however living with my wife is traumatic for me, so I will take a look at EFT (just joking !:D, before anyone gets serious about our relationship).

As with most husband and wife arguments (open discussions) the question is often between what is "good" and what is "best". I can hardly say that wasting food is good and she cannot say that me losing weight is a bad thing. For her I am being stupidly pedantic about weighting all my food to the nearest gram, and if it is slightly over, slicing a bit off and horror wasting it.

Momma, congratulations on the bum wiping! :D
 
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go Momma Pajama!!!
Karol, my consultant gave me a "recommended" list of vitamins, and the ones i got were the Blackmores Blue Label Multi and the Natures Own Calcium & Magnesium (need to take both). She assured me that these were O.K.
Went to the Dixie Chicks concert last night.... oh the temptation..... Bourbon & coke at the bar..... Hot food stalls everywhere....MMMM.. (not to mention people smoking - and it's not that long ago that i quit!) and had to go straight there from work (I live to far from the city to go home first) so it a drink to unwind would have been magic.
However i was a GOOD GIRL and made my lunch and dinner in the morning and took it with me. and.......I DID NOT SUCCUMB TO TEMPTATION!
However i do think in a few more weeks it will be a bit harder as i know after i loose weight i start to think "oh, just a little will be o.k" and "I'm doing so well, it can't hurt" BUT i also know that if i do deviate, it will slow down the weight loss. At the moment i feel like i'm MELTING! It's awesome, my clothes are comfortable again after loosing 3kg and my belt is now up 2 notches!
 
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