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thanks beebee for your encouragement, your right your family and friends are the worst motivators...they don't encourage you or FEAR the change in the status quo, which is a bit disheartning BUT it only serves as a stronger motivator, in my journey to be thinner and healthier.:eek:
 
Sunshine - very funny story



Sunshine,
You made me laugh!:D

I am off to Thailand tomorrow and then am going to start the program when I get back. I am excited about joining, particularly after reading how well everyone is doing, but nervous at the same time.

I have a wedding to attend when I will be about 6 weeks into the program and I just know that i will deviate on that day and probably during that week as I have from friends coming from interstate for the week and we are going on a roadtrip!. I know it is not ideal, but I will try my best and not try to go too crazy with it all. Once that is over, I will get back onto the plan - well, that's my plan anyway - I guess the thought of the wedding and the friends coming has made me a little nervous, but I just have to try not to think about it, till the time comes.

It was funny to read your story, and good to see that you didn't feel guilty about it and are going to just get back on the cohen's horse. You have done so well so far. I am very impressed and encouraged :)

Will let you know when I start.

 
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I Finallly Found It!!

I am so excited!! About 15 years ago I lived with a girl who wighed about 120 Kgs. She went on a diet and I decided to do it with her (her personal plan) for support and to mayber lose a little bit of weight as I went.
Well she lost 60kgs and I lost 12! I never knew what the diet was called, I just followed her food list and weighed everything out and drank an abundance of water! I did know that the diet had something to do with a doctor, there was a seminar and weigh ins and the weight loss was fast.
Many years passed and I lost contact with my old flatmate, she moved back east. I lost the precious food list! I managed to pile on just over 30kgs in this time. I have tried every program around (as I'm sure you can all relate to!) All the big programs, then all the miracle pills under the sun, some just speed you up and you don't eat for days, but all the weight piles back on plus more, when you start eating again. I've tried the ones that make you body not absorb all the fat - that can get pretty ugly if there is no toilet around! I have even recently tried the natural catctus plant that the desert tribes of Africa take to stop their apetites when they spend days out hunting... These all right royally screw up your matabolism and you end up putting on weight no matter how much or how little you eat! Your body holds on to all the food it can because it's convinced your going to starve yourself again! - It's a vicious circle!! I even when on a program recently that is supposed to get your metabolism flying again, you have to go through conditioning and eat an enormous amount of food - 2800cal a day!! then you go into fat burning for months and months and months and months..... I put on 6kgs!!! AARRGGHHHH!! :eek:
Suffice to say I have been looking for the program that my flatmate and I were on back 15 years ago!! It is the only one that has ever worked for me!!!
Today I found it!! The exact one!!! The Dr Chen's Lifestyle Clinic!!! I am soo excited and relieved - I feel like a weight has been lifted off me (pardon the pun) already and I haven't even started yet! I can't wait until the clinic opens tomorrow!!!
Is there anyone else here from Perth? I just want to know if there is any other clinics besides the one in Booragoon? I'm in Leederville, so I was wondering if there is one in the city??
I suppose it doesn't really matter - I will go were ever I have to to get on this again!!!
Have agreat day!!!! :D
 
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Hi y'all!

Just a couple of things....

Hi Poppy... welcome to the forum! Glad to hear you're starting the program! It's the best thing you can ever do for yourself, believe me. And I'm glad I made you laugh... I surely wasn't laughing yesterday though... felt VERY sick. But doing much better today :)

And slinkee... I think old fat is harder to move than new fat. Well that's why my consultant said. I sent an email last week saying my monthly loss has slowed down and asked her if that was to be expected and she said yes, the old fat is slower to move. So there you go, I think you're right.

Other than that... nothing new to report.

Keep up the good work everyone!
 
Perth-based Clinics

Hi there

Unfortunately I think Booragoon is one of the few clinics left - Como, Wembley and maybe Joondalup have all closed.

I know it might be a bit of a trek for you to get there but the Booragoon consultants are all quite nice and supportive (even to me - a constant deviator!!!).:eek: :eek:

Congratulations to everyone doing the program. I don't post much but I read everyone's updates. I was very amused by the eBayer and BAM's posts - it was too much like reading about something I'd do myself! I've forged a career at getting stuck into people like that!! Ha ha.

Have a good week everybody.
 
Maintenance

Hello Everybody

This is my first post here. What an exciting web board and look at the number of posts on the Cohen's thread! How Amazeme!

I started the Cohen's program on Saturday 4th February, 2006 weighing in at 85 kilos and completed the weight loss part of the program on Saturday 24th June, 2006 weighing 60 kilos.

So that was 25 kilos in 20 weeks.

The medical weight range for my height is 57 - 60 kilos. I am 56 years old.

Somehow the refeeding program arrived a few weeks early, and it whispered and whispered at me, and finally I decided that I had reached goal weight so started the refeeding. I was not hungry at all, and emotionally was not really ready to let go of the program - it had been such fun and I had shrunk by 98 cms - I was enjoying myself immensely!

However, I continued to lose weight during the refeeding, bottoming out (so to speak - I have absolutely no bottom left at all!!) at 58.5 kilos.

I also continued to shrink, eventually losing 105 cms in overall measurements. I now wear size 8 and size small. Not bad for an old girl!

It is now nearly three months since completing the weight loss, and my weight is holding steady somewhere between 59.5 and 60.5 kilos.

Looking back, I had achieved my goal which had seemed so fantastic when I started the program in February. 'What!' said the seven-month-pregnant-looking me, '60 kilos! I'll be happy with 65 kilos!!' but as I sailed past 65 kilos I thought 60 kilos was a great place to stop.

However, and this is a big however, I now realise that an 'ideal weight' is an 'ideal weight' for many reasons, and although I am within the 'ideal weight' range, as I had not experienced any hunger at any time on the program, it niggles at me that perhaps I pulled the plug too soon.

I find myself looking at the scales in the morning and thinking 'well, if I can get down to 58 kilos I'll be happy' - just the same sort of 'well, if I can' type of self talk I used to do when the scales teetered between 85 and 87 kilos.

Perhaps the moral of the story is that our mental self image lags far behind (there's that bottom analogy again!) how we really are.

Whilst on the actual program, we are really involved with weighing and measuring and when is five hours up and have I eaten all my fruit today, and we cannot really see what is happening. And, of course, I was fidgeting to get off the program yet uncertain as to when to do that.

For those of you approaching refeeding, take a step back. It is great to reach the ideal weight but now that the dust has settled I seriously think that an extra two kilos would have given me a better buffer zone for life in the wild.


But the bottom line (Oh, really! not again!!) is that I cannot express my gratitude and admiration to and for Dr Cohen and the counsellors who assist all us fatties to stop being fatties and to get a life!

The clinic I started with was not the clinic I finished with. My file was transferred to Booragoon, Perth and Rosemary helped me through the refeeding over the internet.


For those of you who are a bit older, believe me I was concerned about losing my neck and looking shrivelled and gaunt, but now when I look in the mirror at my svelte figure in my smart new clothes I am sometimes overwhelmed at the change in me.

I was at a sales meeting during the week and the facilitator was talking about avoiding personal comments to customers eg don't ask 'when is it due?' and I blurted out 'Yes, that has happened to me!' and the group turned to look at me in amazement! How on earth could anyone think that I was pregnant - yet I have certainly received this comment but no more!

My accountant says that I am 'positively skinny' and my husband isn't quite sure whether to be happy or not. I used to keep him company in the fat stakes but now he is there by himself!

So for those of you starting the journey, be assured that this program delivers the goods. Don't beat yourself up for minor transgressions. No one says you have to do this. You are doing this for you, and as one who has walked through the valley of the shadow of obesity, let me tell you there is a whole new world out there just waiting for the new, slim, you to enjoy!

Best wishes

Chelsea
 
So for those of you starting the journey, be assured that this program delivers the goods. Don't beat yourself up for minor transgressions. No one says you have to do this. You are doing this for you, and as one who has walked through the valley of the shadow of obesity, let me tell you there is a whole new world out there just waiting for the new, slim, you to enjoy!

Best wishes

Chelsea

Thanks Chelsea,

Thanks to you I am on the program, without your virtual self posting your experience in another forum in regard to your experiences I would never have tried Cohens! To be honest I would have said "Load of B.S." if I glanced at the Cohens website. Maybe thats my problem, when I find even 1% B.S. it enough for me to find gulity the other 99%.

Whilst I have a long way to go, I am on the road and feel confident to get there. Today was tough day, felt hungry all through the day despite not eating anything unusal...then I whilst my kids argued in the backseat and I was talking with my wife about what to buy at the supermarket I backed my spiffy new car into a concrete pole and mangled my bumper!...normally time for some comfort foods such as red wine, beef stew and chocolate.

Anyway as I continue along the road to ideal weight I reflect upon the improvements so far and look forward to futher improvments. This is one key factor, every 1KG lost is an improvement and compounds upon the improvement of the previous 1KG lost!. The ideal weight is just the point at which further losses dont improve anything.
 
Hey BAM - Great work - good for you. You are absolutely blitzing this thing! And thank you also for your kind words and encouragement re: my 8 kilo loss. You're a gem!

Chelsea - Thank you so much for your post. And what an amazing achievement for you. Congratulations. You don't know how much people like you, (Brave, honest and FINISHED!), help those of us getting through. But we will get through and life is just going to keep getting better.

Lessfatty - hang in there mate! Kids drive you mad at the best of times don't they! Sorry about the car as well. But all power to you - you did not give in to the emotional eating monster. Well done.

I have yet another query...(Thank God you are all here!)...Yesterday I started to feel really ill. I had hung out the night before with neices and nephews - snotty noses, coughs, etc - you get the picture - and I think I may have picked something up. My throat is red raw and trying to swallow is like pouring hot coals down my throat. My lower back is aching as are my knees and calf muscles. My dilemma besides feeling horrendous, is that I really DO NOT want to eat...I just can't. I know this seems very dramatic (it's what I'm good at!) but the thought of food or forcing anything down my throat just makes me dry reach. Any tips? I am also supposed to get my blood test today but I feel I can't leave the house. Help me out cohenette's!
Thank you - once again!
 
Hey Guys,

so my blood test is tomorrow and I am so keen to get started (this warm weather is making me want to be thin) I am going to start eating the foods that are generally in the Cohens diet without the portion control of corse so that I feel more prepared. I know we are not allowed bread sugar alcohol or milk, so what exactly shoud I start eating? (in general because I know everyone's diet is different) cheese (low fat?) veggies and red meat? and I noticed you guys talking about crackers alot, which kind? (eg. low fat, high fibre etc?) I'm huge on wholemeal stuff so I wanna try and soften the blow of body shock when I start, some pre-guidence would be much appreciated

cheers
 
Hi Everyone!

Hope you are doing very well and keeping up with Cohen's
I had my blood test today which i have been dreading for the past week. I hate needles. But the lady was so nice and there was minimal pain - thank God.
With that in place, i should be getting my program late this week or the weekend... I am so excited and really scared too. I hope that i can get creative with the food, becuase there is not much you can do with steak and chicken breast!

Hope that i can lost weight like all you on this thread. You have all been such an inspiration, truely....
 
Happy Monday to you all

Hello everyone *waving madly*

It has been ages since I have posted here and while I would love to blame a round the world trip and a handsome young man in a loin cloth for my
absence I cannot boast anything more exciting than a overflowing work load as my abductor!

When I finally grabbed a few minutes to see how everyone was doing I was gobsmacked to see a massive 28 pages of posts sitting there to be read which has provided a very lengthy (albeit enjoyable) process. I am so rapt to see so many new people in the forum - congratulations to you all, what a priviledge it is to accompany you on your journey.

To all those people on the receiving end of negativity from friends, family and others - don't take it to heart. Many of these stone throwers have insecurities of their own, and in many cases they strongly outweigh the ones you yourself may be experiencing. They probably feel that if you suddenly become confident, super attractive (as opposed to whatever they think you are now) then maybe you wont need them so much... not exactly the epiotme of a support network is it? Ignore their taunts and show them up by becoming that very person they assume you will never be. In one way, think of yourself as a way of showing them that by making a similar decision to improve their outlook on life then they too can take control and be all they can be.

My jouney, well I liken it to a gorgeously slick vehicle with a dodgy spark plug hose .... stop start stop start!

I havent felt guilty about it but the time has now come (the walrus said) to get back onto the wagon 100%. I still feel wonderfully spunky having lost a great deal of weight - at last count 24kg in 3 months and now I am making a concerted effort to knuckle under and lose the remaining 14 tonne (or there abouts).

I did have a lovely experience the other day though, I had to go to a friends wedding so a friend of mine dragged me out shopping for a new outfit. I was dreading it for days because all of my shopping experiences have not been about what kind of clothes I like but more about what will fit. I have always had to choose from a rather narrow selection of clothes, coming home with the best of a bad bunch simply because a woman my size couldnt afford to be fussy. The thought of having all of my rolls on display was enough to give me palpatations because even though I have lost a considerable amount of weight my mind still sees myself as that size plus 26 gal.

I was frogmarched into the changeroom and was given no choice in the clothes I was handed.... I had to try them on and then gingerly make my way out into the central part of each shop to await the scrutiny of the considerable squad of fashion police that my friend had assembled. I am sure that she must have stood outside each shop grabbing anyone who looked like they had a spare five minutes on their hands. It was very daunting but by crikey once I realised that all of the clothes she was handing me were size 20 my mood changed rather quick smart. I havent fit into a bloody size 20 for at least 15 years, maybe more... it was euphoric.

This leads me on to my greatest piece of advice if I may be indulge myself as the Oracle on the Hill for a brief moment.... dont look at your final goal as your main goal, dont look at the kilos or the skimpy size 8 dress (or for LessFatty - the good old budgie smuggling speedos) waiting for you at the end - go by the zippers. Those zippers that are a bit squeazy now ... soon they will be loose and these are the times to celebrate. It is so easy to get discouraged and bogged down with the massive amounts of weight some of us have to lose ... but for me, every time a zipper gets loose my self esteem soars. There are so many little things that we can get excited about when they happen - like being able to do up your shoes without having to hold your breath and having your face go red. Being able to trim your toenails without having to have your leg way out in front of you. Getting up off the floor without having to make it a 14 stage maneouvre etc... itr the simple things that truly make this process special.

I wish everyone a truly wonderful day .... there is so much magic within us, I am so glad we are all here to see it emerge in one another.

Leanne
 
Magiclea

Your post was awsome, and very inspirational, and also made me laugh for the first time in ages! good luck with the rest of your journey and well done dropping dress sizes!

xx
 
Great post Magiclea, your a great inspiration to us all!
I have my first blood test in the morning and I am so excited about getting started, I think my boyfirend is sick of me talking about it already!
Thanks Fishy, I did call Booragoon today and they seem great, like I said blood test tomorrow morning and then the Presentation at 1pm, hopefully I can get started by Monday next week. I thought Monday would be the best idea, as I am going to get my last drops of vino down my throat over the weekend. That is my weakness and I know it is where I will struggle!
But it's only for such a short time in my life, so I'm sure I can handle it!
Good luck with every day everyone!

Mel :p
 
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Hi all, I'm back from my weekend away and farewelling hubby for three weeks. I'm over being a single mum already!!!!!

Anyway, had a bit of a deviation........ wish I hadn't, but it's too late now.
We took the kids to the river for chicken and chips, I had what I estimated to be my serving of chicken and a very boring salad.. So whats wrong with that you say??? Well, then hubby decided to buy himself and the kids an icecream and go to the park to enjoy. So there it is, I had to have an icecream. Thats it though, no other deviation. So I don't feel too bad. And I ran around the park for over an hour to burn it off. Also went for a 11klm walk last night to try and burn it off a bit more!

BAM - you are officially beating me, I have not lost anymore weight. You are two kilos ahead, go girl!!!!!

Welcome to all the new people who have decided to take control of their bad eating habits and rid their spare tyres. Well done.

Anyway, the kids want dinner and it looks like noone else is going to do it, so off I go and play Mum and Dad.

BBFN
 
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Hey Guys,

so my blood test is tomorrow and I am so keen to get started (this warm weather is making me want to be thin) I am going to start eating the foods that are generally in the Cohens diet without the portion control of corse so that I feel more prepared. I know we are not allowed bread sugar alcohol or milk, so what exactly shoud I start eating? (in general because I know everyone's diet is different) cheese (low fat?) veggies and red meat? and I noticed you guys talking about crackers alot, which kind? (eg. low fat, high fibre etc?) I'm huge on wholemeal stuff so I wanna try and soften the blow of body shock when I start, some pre-guidence would be much appreciated

cheers

Mermaid Sister I created a

As far as I can tell everyones diet is different in AMOUNTS of the foods at different times, but everyone has to choose from the same TYPES of foods. For example everyone gets to eat chicken breasts/tenderloins but the amount of chicken eat meal varies between plans.

Wholemeal stuff (I like brown rice) unfortunately is out whilst you are on the of the Cohen diet along with every other starchy foods, except for about 30grams of crackers per day!



Cohen recommends these crackers
 
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On Re-feed!!

Hi all,

Hope everyone is doing great! Magiclea, it's so good to see you again. I always love seeing that fairy in your Avatar. It's so bubbly and fun!

Anyway, it's Day 3 of my re-feed and I've lost another 1.6kg. I wonder if I should have started earlier! Anyway, I just wanted to ask those who have completed the programme or done re-feed whether they had deviated in re-feed. It's my mum's birthay on the LAST day :mad: (hoping I dont put on more than 1kg in the next 12 days) and I know I wont eat a cohen's meal while I'm away. but I'm not sure which day I should start on once I get back.

Any advise anyone?
 
Hello Everybody
It is now nearly three months since completing the weight loss, and my weight is holding steady somewhere between 59.5 and 60.5 kilos.

Looking back, I had achieved my goal which had seemed so fantastic when I started the program in February. 'What!' said the seven-month-pregnant-looking me, '60 kilos! I'll be happy with 65 kilos!!' but as I sailed past 65 kilos I thought 60 kilos was a great place to stop.

Chelsea

Chelsea great to see you have achieved what i dream of achieving and MOST IMPORTANLY able to maintain it. After joining this forum for a month or so, and reading all the testimonial from so many peole, I realise that everyone can reach our goal weight. This program really works! Some may struggle, some slower but we will all reach our goal. You post has put to rest another of my worry. What happen after refeed? Will I balloon back to the 92 kg that I was? Can I maintain my goal weight? You are doing well after Cohen. I hope I will be like you. Thanks for sharing
 
My mini goals are set

Ok so considering Magiclea's 'zipper theory' I'm doing my mini goals a little differently becauce the thought of 40kgs to lose is scary, however the thought of fitting into my mini clothes again makes my heart skip a beat.

2 years ago when I was at a healthy weight but not my smallest I invested in two pairs of sass and bide jeans which at the time cost me $270 a pair. Less than a year later they fit no more and I want nothing more than to wear them again. A few more pairs of jeans later and now I wear black lycra pants or trackies cos jeans are never flattering or comfortable.

So my mini goals are not numbers but the pairs of jeans that will progressively fit into and then become too small for as time goes on. I don't have scales and fear them like anything so I reckon this is the best way to go about it.

Thank you very much lessfatty for your prep guide I am going to start being strict now so as to minimise failure and I really look forward to acheiving my goals and helping everyone else achieve theirs

xx

p.s I really really wanna be wearing those sass and bides to my xmas relly bash so as to tell my snobby grandparents to blow it out their ass, because all they ever tell me is how fat i've become!
 
Hello Everybody

This is my first post here. What an exciting web board and look at the number of posts on the Cohen's thread! How Amazeme!

I started the Cohen's program on Saturday 4th February, 2006 weighing in at 85 kilos and completed the weight loss part of the program on Saturday 24th June, 2006 weighing 60 kilos.

So that was 25 kilos in 20 weeks.

Good to see you here Chelsea!! I was also converted to Cohens by your posting on the other forum, so thanks again for that!

I'm currently on a business trip. I managed yesterday and today with no major deviations...... obviously I'm not measuring food and the yoghurt this morning which I thought was natural yoghurt ended up being vanilla yoghurt. But generally I'm pretty happy with how I'm going, considering all the goodies available for lunch! I've organised special menus for lunch, but need to do breakfast and dinners at restaurants. ...So, just 4 more days to go. We'll see how it goes!


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These are a few of my favourite things ....

Hello Every Body

Thanks, lessfatty and heavenlylamb – you recognised me!

Glad everything is going well for both of you. Lessfatty, see how differently you have responded to the stimuli of the car crash – no binging to comfort yourself, just dealing with it (sorry about the car – my 13 year old vehicle is starting to cause a few concerns, I am thinking of my own spiffy new vehicle once the franchise gets off the ground – maybe in two or three years, that is!)

Heavenlylamb, you are going great guns despite not having much overt control over your meals this week. I hope you find your reward at the next weigh in and just keep plugging away.

MagicLea, what beautiful prose you write! Yes, the zippers are a dead giveaway, and what a triumph to be wearing size 20. That’s a huge drop from size 26 and to actually have some style and choice in what you wear, that’s wonderful.

Actually, it was the tying of the shoe laces which really got to me in the end. I had to go through a whole rigmarole just to do the darn things up each morning. I was so used to wearing braces because I couldn’t stand to have waistbands digging into me. I was so used to great red welts around my torso from everything – even my knickers – being too tight.

60 pounds later, I don’t even think about those simple things, but still haven’t quite got used to shirts hanging the way they are meant to, no gaping buttons, no runched up fabric across my back.

MellyP, may I suggest that a Saturday is actually a better day than a Monday to start the program? You may not have headaches but I had the Mother of all headaches on my first day (mind you, I did finish off the sherry, the last of the Christmas chocolates, the Nutella and anything else not nailed down during the day before!) and I was in bed by 4.30pm crook as the proverbial. The Sunday saw me feeling very tender, but by the Monday I was OK and from there on didn’t miss a beat!

So if you intend to have one Last Supper you may find that the first day of the program produces a response not unlike an almighty hangover as your system goes looking for replenishment and comes to an abrupt stop! No more hair of the dog, the program demands cold turkey but if I had known how I would respond I would still have cleaned out the cupboards, but perhaps done the cleaning out two days before the start of the program.

Jr Mint, there were three special occasions during the program when I just participated in the meal but I didn’t lose any weight in those weeks. However, during the reefed I was very vigilant but the most important procedure is the daily weighing.
I had to ‘go back’ two days when I was just into the refeeding, but after that just did each day as proscribed.

Your consultant will be able to give you the technical support, but if you are going to be eating a ‘normal’ meal on the last day of the refeed, and if you have gained weight the next day, then just go back the two days and that should stabilise you.


Storm, I was very reluctant to finish the program, I had come to rely on it and I had been told to expect to become hungry when the fat stores had depleted, but I wasn’t hungry (still don’t get hungry) yet had reached the top of the ‘ideal weight’ range.

Three months is still too soon to be fully confident but I no longer want all the foods that I previously just ate without thinking. Particularly, I have been a sweet sherry drinker since the year dot, and my husband used to write the dates on the label of the flagons to exert some form of control (only half a joke!). Pouring out a Nutella glass of sherry was the first thing I did on arriving home.

Now, I haven’t had sherry in the house for months, and I don’t miss it. If there is a bottle of wine being shared I will hold my glass out, but the sherry was a ritual and the pattern has been broken. I think all the serotonin sloshing about in my system while on the program more than satisfied me, there wasn’t any need for 19% proof sherry as well!

In the last week or so I have noticed that the puckering across the diaphragm has become more noticeable, so I think that it is quite important to continue with the HGH principles of the program to maintain hormone production while the body continues to adjust to the changes. My skin looked so great during the program that I think to just throw caution to the winds now would be a really silly thing to do.

I think when we have been obese it would be unrealistic to think that we can suddenly become young and nubile again (well, I was once young, but I don’t know about the nubile bit!). Our bodies have been tried, hung and stretched out to dry. But I am not going to look great just when I have clothes on, I want to look good for myself and to be able to enjoy summers with my arms bare and to maybe, just maybe, even go swimming without feeling too self conscious.

I am having a great time with the new clothes, but there is more to me than just the size 8. I want to be healthy first and foremost as I have always been and that includes my skin.

So this is why I maintain an interest in Cohen’s and all who participate in the program. It is only by sharing the negatives as well as the positives that the volume of knowledge can expand to the benefit of all.

By the way, I noticed that during the program I did not develop plaque on my teeth. Any one else noticed this? And no feeling of bloating or the dreaded belly bag sitting on my lap. These are a few of my non-favourite things, and which I don’t miss at all!

Happy svelteness!

Cheers

Chelsea
 
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