Yay for California!

A choice:rolleyes:, do you guys seriously believe that? Even if it was, so what? I still don't see a fundamental difference. Let's compare it to the laws against whites marrying blacks then. I believe these existed into the 50's in some states. At one point I'm sure there was overwhelming public support for those laws in the 20th century.

As far as saying the gov't shouldn't be involved, I can kind of see that except there are many areas where it's important: A spouse has certain rights regarding your medical care should you be incapacitated, your estate should you die, your financial information etc.
 
I 100% believe its a choice. There is no gay gene. If there was then it would be erased as gays cannot reproduce.

Again race is something you cannot chose. So there should be no discrimination based on that. So once again you are comparing apples to oranges with your interracial comment.

Yes the government should be involved because of the very reasons stated by Gooch. Also health benefits and tax breaks are involved here. So unless we go to an entirely socialist system the government should have a say on this issue.
 
tonymcclellan said:
Lol you making a "Im scared to get involved post" gets you involved.
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hmmmm...i'm not scared. i just don't feel like dealing with it...LOL! but, as i was typing i thought it would somehow be getting involved without really getting involved...haha! ;) just trying to avoid any potential drama.
 
I said nothing about a gene. We know it's not genetic because there are identical twins where one is gay and the other isn't. Because something isn't genetic doesn't mean you weren't born that way. I've read research that suggests it's from the hormone levels the fetus is exposed to during development.
 
theGOOCH said:
A choice:rolleyes:, do you guys seriously believe that? Even if it was, so what? I still don't see a fundamental difference. Let's compare it to the laws against whites marrying blacks then. I believe these existed into the 50's in some states. At one point I'm sure there was overwhelming public support for those laws in the 20th century.

As far as saying the gov't shouldn't be involved, I can kind of see that except there are many areas where it's important: A spouse has certain rights regarding your medical care should you be incapacitated, your estate should you die, your financial information etc.
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The woman you speak of who made that change happen is Mildred Loving. Funny you should bring that up, she recently passed away.



The anniversary for this ruling is June 12.

This is a very good point, it is much like the gay marriage issue.

Personally I feel that everyone should have a right to get married. Regardless if you are the same sex or same race.

My parents are both from other countries. I am a first generation kid. My mother is Belgian and very much white. My father is West Indian and Chinese and very much black. They were married *before* this law was passed because they lived in Europe.

I am one of 3 women here who have state they are from San Francisco. I grew up there and when I was there it was a very liberal city. A very open minded city that has taught me to be a more open minded person.

As Gooch says, oppressed is oppressed. If for no reason than color, or sexual preference, that should not give some the power to prevent others from getting the rights some humans are allowed.

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL

So treat them that way.......
 
theGOOCH said:
I said nothing about a gene. We know it's not genetic because there are identical twins where one is gay and the other isn't. Because something isn't genetic doesn't mean you weren't born that way. I've read research that suggests it's from the hormone levels the fetus is exposed to during development.
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I've read that too, apparently the first child is least likely to be gay and it's thought that this might be because the womb has a slightly different hormonal balance after the first child.

(either that or the first one is more likely to be gay) :)
 
I guess with twins the different exposures could come from the umbilical cords. This would probably explain why the identical twin thing is more rare, but it has happened
 
Kraken said:
I 100% believe its a choice. There is no gay gene. If there was then it would be erased as gays cannot reproduce.
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Gays can reproduce. They have ^^^^s don't they?

What is up with this anti-^^^^ crap going on. Sure a stereotypical sissy-boy gay person pisses me off, but that's only because they are basically going around going 'hey look at me! I'm gay!'

There are plenty of gay men who act exactly as straight men do apart from the fact they like other men. I couldn't give any less of a crap to be honest. Less competition for the rest of us.

It is said that as many as 11 in 100 men are gay, and around 75 are not 100% straight. A lot of teenagers go through a phase where they think they make like members of the same sex. Personally I haven't, but I know many who have.

It's like saying you can help who you fall in love with. Are you saying that that's genetic? Whether it's genetic or not it really doesn't matter. Look at gay animals. Are you saying that they screw each other because they want to? There's evidence in itself.

As for gay marriages, let it be. There's no point arguing with it. Marriages don't seem to be lasting anymore anyway, it's more down to a personally relationship. I think it's pretty unfair to call some so called 'marriages' the same as a physical partnership which actually lives up to the title.

Like Lei said. Who gives a crap?
 
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CCR said:
Sorry buddy, but Marriage pre-dates Christianity so it's origins have nothing to do with the church, it's just that the Church took ownership of it in the middle ages
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Who said anything about dates, Christianity, and marriage? I was simply saying that I hope ^^^^sexuals are never allowed to get married in a Christian church.
 
CCR said:
I've read that too, apparently the first child is least likely to be gay and it's thought that this might be because the womb has a slightly different hormonal balance after the first child.

(either that or the first one is more likely to be gay) :)
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It could just be how they develope. I have identical twin boys. And even though they are Identical, it just means they start out with exactly the same genes. As the cells split and develope, they can evolve differently. My "oldest" is bigger, stronger, and more cognitive then his "younger" brother.

Yet, people can't tell them apart, when they get sick it's exactly the same ( like once they got sick, first one then the other, I took them to the hospital exactly 24 hrs apart and they each had exactly the same white blood cel count- the doctors thought I brought back the same child...lol)

So it could very well be genetic....
 
So, if we do extend the definition of marriage from a man and a woman (as it was once expected to be, where do we stop the definition? Polygamy anyone?
 
Woodt said:
Gays can reproduce. They have ^^^^s don't they?

What is up with this anti-^^^^ crap going on. Sure a stereotypical sissy-boy gay person pisses me off, but that's only because they are basically going around going 'hey look at me! I'm gay!'

There are plenty of gay men who act exactly as straight men do apart from the fact they like other men. I couldn't give any less of a crap to be honest. Less competition for the rest of us.

It is said that as many as 11 in 100 men are gay, and around 75 are not 100% straight. A lot of teenagers go through a phase where they think they make like members of the same sex. Personally I haven't, but I know many who have.

It's like saying you can help who you fall in love with. Are you saying that that's genetic? Whether it's genetic or not it really doesn't matter. Look at gay animals. Are you saying that they screw each other because they want to? There's evidence in itself.

As for gay marriages, let it be. There's no point arguing with it. Marriages don't seem to be lasting anymore anyway, it's more down to a personally relationship. I think it's pretty unfair to call some so called 'marriages' the same as a physical partnership which actually lives up to the title.

Like Lei said. Who gives a crap?
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Dude did you even read my post? I said it wasn't genetic.

I'm LMAO about the gay animal comment. So now what you're saying is animals have the capacity to love and commit to each other? Trust me when animals get it on its not for enjoyment. Rather a primal instinct to reproduce. I'm pretty certain that humans and dolphins are the only species on earth that have sex for pleasure.

All this really boils down to is a money grab for the tax break and so one person can carry the other on the heath insurance.
 
evolution said:
Who said anything about dates, Christianity, and marriage? I was simply saying that I hope ^^^^sexuals are never allowed to get married in a Christian church.
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Oops, so you did, sorry about that

Still, do you not think that 'Thou must not lay next to thine brother as you would you wife' might have lost a little in translation from the ancient scrolls and actually has nothing to do with ^^^^sexuality?

Or should I just stop stirring :p
 
Kraken said:
Dude did you even read my post? I said it wasn't genetic.

I'm LMAO about the gay animal comment. So now what you're saying is animals have the capacity to love and commit to each other? Trust me when animals get it on its not for enjoyment. Rather a primal instinct to reproduce. I'm pretty certain that humans and dolphins are the only species on earth that have sex for pleasure.

All this really boils down to is a money grab for the tax break and so one person can carry the other on the heath insurance.
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I know you said it was genetic. Maybe I should have made that a bit clearer. I'm saying, whether genetic or not, it can't be helped. Regardless of genes.

Exactly. Animals have sex just for reproduction, and yes, dolphins and humans are the only ones who do it for pleasure (maybe a few others). So then in that case, why are animals that are doing it just to reproduce doing it with others of the same sex? Maybe because they have been born thinking they should have sex with the same sex, hence proving that it is natural to want to have SEX (not love) with a same sex person.
 
Kraken said:
I'm pretty certain that humans and dolphins are the only species on earth that have sex for pleasure.
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How many have you asked?
 
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