Velocity Diet-Thinking about doing it

[Wrangell]

Why would you care whether someone uses the V-diet to lose weight? It's their choice.

I couldn't care less actually.

A normal healthy body fat % is somewhere between 13% - 15%. If an average gym rat is so obsessed with their vanity that they not only have to get to a sub 10% body fat, but they actually have to resort to an " extreme " measure - i.e a keto or V-day - in order to pull it off, then that speaks for itself IMO. Vanity is a stronger motivator for some than for others. But, it's their choice in the end. They can do what they want.I couldn't care less.

I simply have a different opinion on the topic, nothing more. I train primarily for health an athletic performance. Low / normal body fat just happens to be a favorable consequence of pursuing those goals - nothing more. I don't obsess about low body fat. Low body fat isn't a primary goal in and of itself for me...but that's just me. However, it is for some others on this forum who are utterly obsessed with one primary goal it seems - to get to sub 10% ( 7% ,8%, 9% whatever ) at all costs - and will resort to things like keto diets to reach that goal.

So, my opinion is, if you want to shred body fat, eat a clean diet of wholesome food and simply train hard. I prefer to rely on hard work to achieve such goals - not gimmicky " quick fixes ". Others think you need " extreme " measures in order to shred body fat. Fair enough. I respect that opinion - I just don't happen to share it.

And your right, i do support steroid use.

We differ again.

I think steroid use for an average gym rat is utterly ridiculous.

I support hard work.

Theres nothing wrong trying to get under 10% bf to look good.

To each their own.

I simply don't believe in having to resort to " extreme measures " in order to get under 10% bf ...i.e just for the sake of low body fat.

Obsessing day in and day out about being below 10% body fat is something way way down on my list priorities. I'm not motivated to train by vanity...but that's just me.

If other average gym rats choose to resort to things like a keto diet and a V-day diet to shred fat, then that's their prerogative.

 

[Wrangell]

Phate you ROCK ON!

Me: I care whether I am sub 10% BF.

And, a matter fact, I could care less of peoples opinion to the contrary. Its my opinion that matters. Other opinions dont mean diddly squat to me. I make my goals, I make it happen, and likewise--opinions on this are like butt holes, everyone has one, and its only MINE THAT MATTERS. Other opinions on this subject matter are just utterly not allowed in. My goals are my goals........pffffft.......

I am 8% and its because I want it that way. And, healthy as hell. Opinions to the contrary.......do not matter squat. Not allowed. One can analyze why all day long, each day, 7 days per week, twice on Sunday, and it will not matter. I and my goal matter.

A good example of what I was discussing earlier.

You're obsessed with hovering around 8% body fat. Fair enough

But for me at least, that's not the case. Obsessing about hitting extremely low body fat targets is way down on my list of life's important priorities...but then again, that's just me.

Everyones' different.......to each their own.

 

[matt182]

a little fat is sexy

 

[NoLoveLost]

I couldn't care less actually.
I simply have a different opinion on the topic, nothing more. I train primarily for health an athletic performance. Low / normal body fat just happens to be a favorable consequence of pursuing those goals - nothing more. I don't obsess about low body fat. Low body fat isn't a primary goal in and of itself for me...but that's just me. However, it is for some others on this forum who are utterly obsessed with one primary goal it seems - to get to sub 10% ( 7% ,8%, 9% whatever ) at all costs - and will resort to things like keto diets to reach that goal.

So, my opinion is, if you want to shred body fat, eat a clean diet of wholesome food and simply train hard. I prefer to rely on hard work to achieve such goals - not gimmicky " quick fixes ". Others think you need " extreme " measures in order to shred body fat. Fair enough. I respect that opinion - I just don't happen to share it.
To each their own.

I simply don't believe in having to resort to " extreme measures " in order to get under 10% bf ...i.e just for the sake of low body fat.

Obsessing day in and day out about being below 10% body fat is something way way down on my list priorities.

Nice post. Couldn't agree with you more on this.

 

[Phate89]

True, but the diet itself, much like the keto diet, isn't exactly a nutritious one, and as it's a quick fix, it's something that an individual would probably have to return to, making it less and less healthy an option the more it's used.

As it was mentioned previously by someone else, why the drastic measures of such a diet (especially mixing metabolic enhancers) when it is perfectly reasonable to achieve similar caloric deficit (and similar results) while maintaining balanced nutrition in a normalized diet and modifying physical training.

I know I'm not going to convince those that don't want to be convinced, because it's apparent that the diet can work if ahered to, so it has its use for those wanting to cut BF like that. That's fine, just trying to provide my views on the diet.

Fun thread today... I win again . Night all.

I understand your views, just don't happen to share it. And what exactly do you believe is not nutritious about the anabolic diet?

They might feel that their diet is working, but have they even thought about long term consequences of such drastic diets. They focus on the short term and lose out on the long term picture.

There are no long term consequences.

I couldn't care less actually.

A normal healthy body fat % is somewhere between 13% - 15%. If an average gym rat is so obsessed with their vanity that they not only have to get to a sub 10% body fat, but they actually have to resort to an " extreme " measure - i.e a keto or V-day - in order to pull it off, then that speaks for itself IMO. Vanity is a stronger motivator for some than for others. But, it's their choice in the end. They can do what they want.I couldn't care less.

I simply have a different opinion on the topic, nothing more. I train primarily for health an athletic performance. Low / normal body fat just happens to be a favorable consequence of pursuing those goals - nothing more. I don't obsess about low body fat. Low body fat isn't a primary goal in and of itself for me...but that's just me. However, it is for some others on this forum who are utterly obsessed with one primary goal it seems - to get to sub 10% ( 7% ,8%, 9% whatever ) at all costs - and will resort to things like keto diets to reach that goal.

So, my opinion is, if you want to shred body fat, eat a clean diet of wholesome food and simply train hard. I prefer to rely on hard work to achieve such goals - not gimmicky " quick fixes ". Others think you need " extreme " measures in order to shred body fat. Fair enough. I respect that opinion - I just don't happen to share it.



We differ again.

I think steroid use for an average gym rat is utterly ridiculous.

I support hard work.



To each their own.

I simply don't believe in having to resort to " extreme measures " in order to get under 10% bf ...i.e just for the sake of low body fat.

Obsessing day in and day out about being below 10% body fat is something way way down on my list priorities. I'm not motivated to train by vanity...but that's just me.

If other average gym rats choose to resort to things like a keto diet and a V-day diet to shred fat, then that's their prerogative.

I see your point, but still stand by what i believe. You think that no one should have to resort to extreme diets to achieve their goal, i agree the majority can accomplish their goal by eating healthy and increasing the volume of their exercise, but i also believe the V-diet is a good alternative to those that don't want to go through the long process, and want quick results. I don't care if their lazy and want a quick fix, the v-diet works whether your lazy or not.

Why is this thread full of 20 and 30 somethings bickering with a teenager?

Because i will continue to post in this thread to defend my views because i wholeheartedly believe what i am saying is true, and i will not sit idle while something i support is being insulted. If you have nothing good to say, please stay out of the thread and go spam the 1,000,000 thread as u usually do.

A good example of what I was discussing earlier.

You're obsessed with hovering around 8% body fat. Fair enough

But for me at least, that's not the case. Obsessing about hitting extremely low body fat targets is way down on my list of life's important priorities...but then again, that's just me.

Everyones' different.......to each their own.

I understand exactly why chillen wants to hover around 8% BF and you will too once you because overweight, then lose the weight through hard work and dedication.

 

[illiniphase4]

The anabolic diet is pretty taxing on the endocrine system, and any high protein diet negatively impacts bone mineral density.

These, in my mind, make the diets vastly inferior to a broad nutritious diet, where moderation of food types within food groups prevents these things.

 

[Wrangell]

I see your point, but still stand by what i believe. You think that no one should have to resort to extreme diets to achieve their goal,

Actually, not " no one ".

If your livelihood demands that you have extremely low body fat - i.e a pro body builder, a fitness model, an actor etc. etc. - and you need to lose fat in order to meet some competition / job-related time deadline, then you may have to resort to an extreme tactic like a keto diet of this V-diet. Your livelihood may be at stake to some degree, so as a last resort option, these extreme options may have their place IMO.

But, do I think an average gym rat needs to resort to ' extremes ' in order to shred fat ? No...not at all.

i agree the majority can accomplish their goal by eating healthy and increasing the volume of their exercise,

So do I.

but i also believe the V-diet is a good alternative to those that don't want to go through the long process, and want quick results..

Again, just my personal point of view, but I don't believe in " quick fixes " as a general rule.

I believe in permanent and sustainable lifestyle changes in order to reach one's long term health and fitness goals.

I don't care if their lazy and want a quick fix, the v-diet works whether your lazy or not.

Again, I'm not saying it doesn't work.

Steroids work too...." whether your lazy or not '.

Because i will continue to post in this thread to defend my views because i wholeheartedly believe what i am saying is true, and i will not sit idle while something i support is being insulted.

By all means, you should continue to express your opinion on a topic and defend it if need be.

I'll do the same.

If you have nothing good to say, please stay out of the thread and go spam the 1,000,000 thread as u usually do.

Too funny !

Just because you are a fan of V-diets and keto diets and other " extreme ' options ....and others may not agree with you 100% ...... does not mean they don't have a right to express their contrary opinion on this thread topic as well.

This is a forum.

People are going to disagree with your views now and then ....I suggest you simply get used to it.

I understand exactly why chillen wants to hover around 8% BF and you will too once you because overweight, then lose the weight through hard work and dedication.

Based on all of Chillen's posts I've read so far, I think I could venture a pretty good guess as to the real reason why Chillen wants to hover around 8% BF as well.

 

[realworksuks]

In my opinion the reason people resort to "extreme" diets such as keto (I don't think it's very extreme...) is not because they are lazy but because they are fully determined, know their long and short term goals, and they want the most for their efforts!

I for one hate to cut! My primary goal is to build muscle, so when I went on keto it was so that I could shred off the most amount of fat in a short time period so I could get back to my primary goal of building muscle mass.

I didn't want to waste prescious months slowly cutting, it's a waste of prescious time that could be spent muscle building!

I can understand why Wrangell wouldn't mind just sitting around 15% and just want to maintain there.... why? Because it's easy, 15% is a pretty easy level of fat to maintain, it's in the upper average level of bodyfat. I personally wouldn't want to just settle for something average like that.

Maybe his fitness priorities just don't play as large a role in his life as it does for others. I know he's married, has kids, etc.

Seems like he just wants to do enough to be considered healthy and not much more above that. Doesn't have any short term goals from what I can see, just wants to maintain an average level of bodyfat and general health.

To each his own.

 

[Wrangell]

In my opinion the reason people resort to "extreme" diets such as keto is not because they are lazy but because they are fully determined, know their long and short term goals, and they want the most for their efforts!

How does a keto / V diet fit into that goal ?

I for one hate to cut! My primary goal is to build muscle, so when I went on keto it was so that I could shred off the most amount of fat in a short time period so I could get back to my primary goal of building muscle mass. I didn't want to waste prescious months slowly cutting, it's a waste of prescious time that could be spent muscle building!

How many weeks are you on this keto diet and how many pounds of fat do you typically lose during the weeks that you are on this diet ?

And , how many pounds of fat would you lose if you " cut " by means - other than a keto diet - during the same number of weeks ?

I can understand why Wrangell wouldn't mind just sitting around 15% and just want to maintain there.... why?

Why .....you ask ?

I spent a lot of years when I was younger under 10% body fat, and a lot of time hovering at or about 8% as well....with all the 6 pack abs.... yada yada yada.

Been there...done that.

I simply don't need to be anywhere near 8% +/- body fat anymore - certainly not for any health and fitness or any vanity reasons at least - I simply grew up a long time ago and moved on and beyond obsessing about things like washboard ' 6 pack ' abs etc. etc. .

Because it's easy, 15% is a pretty easy level of fat to maintain, it's in the upper average level of bodyfat. I personally wouldn't want to just settle for something average like that.

No, it has nothing to do with laziness or what's easy or not easy. I simply have no desire whatsoever to be any lower in bf% than where I am now and where I have been for years - that's it, pure and simple.

My goal is simply to be healthy and athletically fit - that's it.

I'm entering my 5th decade and my annual medical check-ups always come up ' aces ' on things like blood work up, blood pressure, etc. etc., I still run my 10ks, I still play hockey with players 30 years my junior, I still weight train, I row, I don't " cut " , I don't track calories ( and haven't in decades ) , I don't own a weight scale........and all the while, I still stay around 13% body fat year in year out. I have no need to be ' obsessed " about getting to under 10% body fat.

So, in a nutshell, and simply put, I have no need to be under 10% body fat. My training isn't motivated by vanity - but by goals are simply to be healthy and athletically fit - and I can do that by being at around 13% body fat.

Quite frankly, I have other more important issues to concern myself about rather than worrying and obsessing about getting to under 10% body fat ....trust me, getting under 10% isn't even on the radar. :yelrotflmao:

Maybe his fitness priorities just don't play as large a role in his life as it does for others. I know he's married, has kids, etc.

Fitness priorities have a very large role in my life actually. I simply don't have a seemingly pathological obsession about fitness - particularly body fat - as some on this forum do. Not having an obsession about superficial things like sub 10% body fat does not mean fitness is not a priority in my life - to suggest otherwise would just be stupid reasoning on your part.

Exercise revolves around my life .........my life doesn't revolve around exercise.

Exercise is important...but so are a lot of other important things in life. That is why I train hard and smart ...trying to get the maximum benefits in the least amount of time. The less time I can spend training for the maximum result ..the better.

Seems like he just wants to do enough to be considered healthy and not much more above that.

What more IS there...... other than being in excellent health and very fit for my age ...which I am ?

I have no other goals I need to aspire to.....i.e to be below 10% body fat.

Doesn't have any short term goals from what I can see, just wants to maintain an average level of body fat and general health. To each his own.

There is no need to be below 13% body fat......other than for vanity reasons.

In my case, I'm not motivated by vanity....I'm very healthy and very fit at 13%. So, there is no reason for me to shred any more fat.

I concede, other average gym rats are obsessed to get to below 10% primarily for vanity reasons........to each their own.

 

[matt182]

In my opinion the reason people resort to "extreme" diets such as keto (I don't think it's very extreme...) is not because they are lazy but because they are fully determined, know their long and short term goals, and they want the most for their efforts!

My opinion is because most people are uneducated (And or stupid) and perhaps gullible. Im actually a pretty skinny guy, im around 10.4% body fat and would never dream of dieting to lose more. Anyone who feels otherise seriously needs medical help, youve been dragged into abnormal expectations whether you think so or not.

 

[tonymcclellan]

This thread is basically personal opinion being projected on others. IMO I wouldnt do it so you shouldnt eitehr OP. But I think its ok so you should do it OP.

Everyone is gonna do their own thing, so why not support them? Like John Berardi says about his Get Shredded Diet, "I do it to remind myself of the level of dedication it takes to become that lean." So let whoever wants to do whatever, do it. The V Diet is not going to kill someone.

 

[Chillen]

This thread is basically personal opinion being projected on others. IMO I wouldnt do it so you shouldnt eitehr OP. But I think its ok so you should do it OP.

Everyone is gonna do their own thing, so why not support them? Like John Berardi says about his Get Shredded Diet, "I do it to remind myself of the level of dedication it takes to become that lean." So let whoever wants to do whatever, do it. The V Diet is not going to kill someone.

This post ROCKS!

“Opinion is the medium between knowledge and ignorance.”-Plato
(And the ignorance part is the information they dont know that makes an opinion on what they think they know--an error--Chillen)

Best wishes

Everyone ROCK ON with their personal goals! Yes,,,,,,Get it! Its right there waiting for ya! Its yours! Be happy, spread it around...make someone feel good today!

Chillen

 

[Wrangell]

This thread is basically personal opinion being projected on others. IMO I wouldnt do it so you shouldnt eitehr OP. But I think its ok so you should do it OP.

Everyone is gonna do their own thing, so why not support them ?

I think we take this particular thread as an example, it seems the OP wanted feedback on this whole V-diet thing, when he asked " I'm looking for feedback .....before I decide,..... so let me know what you think "

As with anything there are pros's ands con's to anything and in this particular case, they may be ardent fans of the V-diet philosophy / approach and there may be detractors / skeptics of this V-diet approach as well. It seems to me, to be any real help to liquid85 in helping him make his decision whether or not to use this V-diet, it isn't just a matter of automatically ' supporting ' his inclination to go on a V-diet, but rather to tell him " what we think " - in other words, supply him with both positive and negative feedback ( that he asked for ) about the diet. Then, he can weigh the pros and cons, the positives and negatives, in helping him come to some sort of informed decision.

As I said before " to each their own " - so ultimately, in the end, it's liquid85's decision to make one way or the other.

That's just my ' personal opinion ' of course .

Like John Berardi says about his Get Shredded Diet, "I do it to remind myself of the level of dedication it takes to become that lean." So let whoever wants to do whatever, do it. The V Diet is not going to kill someone.

Absolutely.

We certainly can't make people's decisions for them.