To win a BodyBuilding competition.
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I know, thats why they use the word 'can' and give a range.
exactly, it's just marketing. All most people see is 10-12 lbs and they go for it.
Does it explain what it actually does to the system in detail? The ones who sell it probably don't even know..
No way have you reached your limit but it's your chioce what you want to do.
18 is way to young to start AAS. Hell, 25 is young even however if that is the choice you made, I hope you have at least done your homework.
I guess your right that i am not at my natural limit but i am more then half way there and its now taking much more effort then its worth to gain the muscle. I dont want to train for 10 years and be 30 years old when i reech the level of body that i want 
I want to be in my early 20's and look good. Even if it does shave some years of the end of my life. pffft who cares. the early years are much better. I personally feel there is nothing to worry about if its done in the correct way. I think allot of the side effects from steroids are bull****.
I want to be in my early 20's and look good. Even if it does shave some years of the end of my life. pffft who cares. the early years are much better. I personally feel there is nothing to worry about if its done in the correct way. I think allot of the side effects from steroids are bull****.5.9-6.0 feet tall. 80 kg weight
I guess your right that i am not at my natural limit but i am more then half way there and its now taking much more effort then its worth to gain the muscle. I dont want to train for 10 years and be 30 years old when i reech the level of body that i want
Me thinks you're impatient and just want a quick fix
Firstly, if you think you're expending any effort on your body at 18, you're crazy. This is the easiest time in your life to workout. Your recovery time is minimal and your body is still growing. You've got it so easy, dude.
Try working out and making gains when you're 30. Or 40. If you can't cut the mustard now, you'll never be able to maintain what you're going to gain on juice. You have to have the discipline to succeed with or without juice.
Secondly, what is your motivation for starting AAS? To have a nice body? You already have a nice body. You're 18. Not 25. 18 year olds don't have the musculature of a 25 year old for a reason!
You need a reality check. Get over here so I can slap you silly!
Last day of year 11 preliminary exams today so i will check back after school.
Hoss
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Lift for 3-5 more years, re-evaluate and you'll think differently. Most everyone isn't saying for you not to use, they're saying wait. If you take them now you could compromise your increasing test levels (they increase until 26 or so) and they could level off early; this would make you worse off from 18-26. Take this advice, seriously.
Hoss
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Very true. 5'9" 228 and still growing here! :eating:
This post has a purpose, SM, and I am in the hopes you are able to see it.
Chillen's reality check three years out from being 50:
1. Testosterone "can be" naturally lower than one in their "prime".
2. Recoverability "can be" slower than one in their "prime".
3. Muscle is slower coming and seem somewhat denser than one in their "prime"
4. Tendons and joints do not recover as quick as compared to muscle (uniformity is off) as compared to one in their "Prime".
5. Metabolism tends to slow as we age as compared to someone in their "prime". (We have to eat less to gain more as compared to someone with equal personal stats and health).
6. Biologically just about everything on the cellular level is processed slower than compared to someone in their "prime"
7. so on an so forth with naturally age related complications.
Do you "currently" have these sorts of problems?
Uh, what was that?
Is that a no, I heard......uh,, yep, that's what I thought.
In other words, just through my naturally occurring biological degradation, I have more problems than YOU.
You have problems? Buh! Thats right.
The list I provided is: The short version, brotha.
You have NEVER (and nor will you) see me cry on this forum nor discredit myself in private. I ROCK the-F#CK-OUT! Ya, got that?
Here is another truth. Even with all of my biological naturally occurring problems (that naturally "could" inhibit my goals), I have accomplished more being old and passed my prime, than ones IN THEIR PRIME.
This is NOT a conceited statement. I said it for a different reason: I knew about these biological complications and age related potential problems, but dealt with it in an educated manner, and rocked-myself-out. I am convinced with my trials and tribulations to reach my goals, that I "would be" approximately 10 pounds heavier if I was in my "prime". This deserves a "cry baby" for me. Insert here......what can I do about it......Got that?
I sure in the hell didn't see a: "Chillen This is the Path to your Goal" novel written when I started my fitness path.
I had to write it.
Learn from it.
Adapt from it.
I had to write an addendum (inserts for changes) to it.
It is literally a learn as you go process. But, if you work it (with education), you will figure yourself out.
If things are not going well for you, young man. This is what I want you to do.
Put your right hand up. No, no.....not over your head.
Like this: Put the back of your "right hand" in front of your face. Clench your fist. While your hand is clenched (like a fist), extend your index finger, now rotate your wrist (forearm) to the left, where the index finger is pointing at your face.
The index finger is pointing the person at fault.
Got that?
When goal perception death walks in.
You are the multi-faceted machine. (live up to your name!)
And, the data you keep (your diet and fitness journal) rumbles the thunder in close distance and your goal "breathes" timeless subsistence.
Giving resistance the least persistence in your personal existence.
Experience your freedom: Education and learning how to deal with yourself.
Best wishes
Chillen
Chillen's reality check three years out from being 50:
1. Testosterone "can be" naturally lower than one in their "prime".
2. Recoverability "can be" slower than one in their "prime".
3. Muscle is slower coming and seem somewhat denser than one in their "prime"
4. Tendons and joints do not recover as quick as compared to muscle (uniformity is off) as compared to one in their "Prime".
5. Metabolism tends to slow as we age as compared to someone in their "prime". (We have to eat less to gain more as compared to someone with equal personal stats and health).
6. Biologically just about everything on the cellular level is processed slower than compared to someone in their "prime"
7. so on an so forth with naturally age related complications.
Do you "currently" have these sorts of problems?
Uh, what was that?
Is that a no, I heard......uh,, yep, that's what I thought.
In other words, just through my naturally occurring biological degradation, I have more problems than YOU.
You have problems? Buh!
Thats right.The list I provided is: The short version, brotha.
You have NEVER (and nor will you) see me cry on this forum nor discredit myself in private. I ROCK the-F#CK-OUT! Ya, got that?
Here is another truth. Even with all of my biological naturally occurring problems (that naturally "could" inhibit my goals), I have accomplished more being old and passed my prime, than ones IN THEIR PRIME.
This is NOT a conceited statement. I said it for a different reason: I knew about these biological complications and age related potential problems, but dealt with it in an educated manner, and rocked-myself-out. I am convinced with my trials and tribulations to reach my goals, that I "would be" approximately 10 pounds heavier if I was in my "prime". This deserves a "cry baby" for me. Insert here......what can I do about it......Got that?
I sure in the hell didn't see a: "Chillen This is the Path to your Goal" novel written when I started my fitness path.
I had to write it.
Learn from it.
Adapt from it.
I had to write an addendum (inserts for changes) to it.
It is literally a learn as you go process. But, if you work it (with education), you will figure yourself out.
If things are not going well for you, young man. This is what I want you to do.
Put your right hand up. No, no.....not over your head.
Like this: Put the back of your "right hand" in front of your face. Clench your fist. While your hand is clenched (like a fist), extend your index finger, now rotate your wrist (forearm) to the left, where the index finger is pointing at your face.
The index finger is pointing the person at fault.
Got that?
When goal perception death walks in.
You are the multi-faceted machine. (live up to your name!)
And, the data you keep (your diet and fitness journal) rumbles the thunder in close distance and your goal "breathes" timeless subsistence.
Giving resistance the least persistence in your personal existence.
Experience your freedom: Education and learning how to deal with yourself.
Best wishes
Chillen
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I guess your right that i am not at my natural limit but i am more then half way there and its now taking much more effort then its worth to gain the muscle. I dont want to train for 10 years and be 30 years old when i reech the level of body that i want
Read Mreik's post. If you think sticking a needle in you is going to suddenly burst you forth by leaps and bounds you need to do a lot more research.
I have talked to people who started juicing at 16 and are in there 40s and say its the best thing they ever done.
i was like 132 pounds or something when i started so i dont have the same genetic potential as others. I think at least 3/4 of the way yes.
Bull! You can't know that? how much did you eat? If you had PERFECT genetics for muscle building, you would get nowhere on a 1000 calorie/day diet! Just because you were small doesn't mean you had poor genetics, to know about your genetics you need to take a gene test, otherwise environmental factors are playing in making the validity of your observation 0 towards telling if your genes are good or not.
If you want to juice, juice, but don't come throwing this bull about bad genetics around. Because you simply can't know about your genetics unless you gene test for every gene in your body that can have something to do with muscle building ability.
Example: I'm 6'4 tall. I obviously have genes for getting tall, everyone in my family is pretty tall, but what do you think would have happened if I hadn't lived where I live? If I hadn't gotten adequate food?
Reading what mreik writes often turns me on, I won't lie.
Here's a hint: believing something doesn't make it true. You're not even remotely close.
Hard work is hard, yes, but on a certain level, you really do need to just take Phate's advice. If you don't know how to eat enough, figure it out. If you're not doing it right in the gym, figure it out. It's not that complicated. And here's the thing (that you might notice everybody's agreed on, not that that makes it true either - same logical fallacy, appeal to belief ): even if you have been and continue to do it perfectly right, you've still got several if not many years before you begin to approach your "genetic limit". Eat, eat, eat, and maybe spend some time on learning to love yourself. 'Roids won't help you with that. If anything, they have the opposite effect.
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