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[Chillen]

I pretty much eat what I want, I cut some weight the past few weeks and lost about 13 lbs, so the temporary 900 cal/day diet worked. It was based solely on whey protein, milled flax seeds, an anti-catabolic supplement, and carnitin; egg whites were really my only source of solid food. But still, 13 lbs is 13 lbs.

My job requires me to walk at a fast pace from about 630am to 400pm, so Im usually low on energy considering making protein shakes in the field would be a major main in the balls. So I just eat a small breakfast in the morning and eat when I get home before I go to the gym.

Monday-Friday; 1 mile run, full body workouts Mon, Wed, Fri..isolated workouts Tuesday Thursday. A good amount of my cardio is performed at work, which includes Saturdays. I've only heard of MT as a paradigm shift in nutrition, so Im not sure.

Sean

Basically the MT Line is the approximated base need of calories (the energy needed just for bodily function, breathing and organ function, etc), AND approximated activity calories (work, training, etc).

What is your age, hgt,and wgt?

I would approximate that the 900c you are taking in is about (and not knowing your personal particulars) 700c +/- below what is needed by the body just to maintain itself. Even at this level (base level of calories) one could lose tissue weight with all things considered equal. Additionally, and in MHO, no matter what you eat (within the 900c), you are bringing yourself into catabolic state just through inept calorie ingestion below your base need.

You are giving your body every reason to take both muscle and fat tissue, and your hard work in the gym isnt going to be as much benefit to you as it other wise would with a more optimized calorie v nutrient approach.

And IMO, your training could be detrimental to a degree in the bodily recovery sense (far too much stress on the CNS, etc, just through not getting proper nutrition in order to recover and/or repair tissue, and this occurs just through not eating at base need, and not factoring in other issues that are unknown about you). One should want to maximize their efforts in the gym and this is obtained through knowledge and practical and sensible use of the knowledge obtained.



I tried to put this in very simple wording. I mean well.


best wishes to you young man,

Chillen

 

[FusterCluck0311]

My 900c was just to trim down real quick,...very temporary..

I'm 21, 6'0, 210 lbs.

Thanks for kickin the knowledge man..

Sean

 

[Chillen]

My 900c was just to trim down real quick,...very temporary..

I'm 21, 6'0, 210 lbs.

Thanks for kickin the knowledge man..

Sean

WE "thunder" some basic and fundelmental knowledge, baby. It IS the super glue that allows the more advanced methods to work its magic!

Are you willing to post a pic? Or is this out of the question? My purpose here is to talk with you, and impart some information, that could possibly improve and optimize-----your already hearty and tough WILL and DESIRE into a more prosperous future (or optimize it, if you will), and possibly catapault you into new levels of diet and fitness! YES!--->THIS ROCKS...........doesnt it?

Are you willing to calculate your MT Line if I give you the information, just, say, out of curiousity? We then can have an idea of your BASE need and your BMR (MT line) at the same time, then discuss the possibilities here, and possibly improve many things, BABY!

What do you say?


Chillen

 

[FusterCluck0311]

I'm down, man, I gotta go to the gym now though before it gets late and I get complacent and fall asleep lol, ****ty day at work...

 

[Chillen]

I'm down, man, I gotta go to the gym now though before it gets late and I get complacent and fall asleep lol, ****ty day at work...

Its all good. When you get the time, I will give you my time. My objective is a sincere one.

All I am attempting to do, is trying to improve your situation from...where you are at now, with rather basic and fundelmental diet and fitness knowledge that could advance/enhance your goal path if--you keep an open mind. Believe me, you have a strong will, and if you were just able to apply some basic diet and fitness fundelmentals, I personally believe in time, you will see drastically improved results, and better than what you have currently experienced. All you have to do is give it a shot.


You rock on, brotha!


Chillen

 

[Wrangell]

My 900c was just to trim down real quick,...very temporary..

I'm 21, 6'0, 210 lbs.

Thanks for kickin the knowledge man..

Sean

And at 210 lbs how many calories do you consume a day when you are in your " maintenance " mode of training ?

 

[Wrangell]

I guess my question is why is this way of cutting weight so bad?

The obvious answer I would think is that its not healthy, but I was. If I had just a bit more willpower I'd have no problem not eating to cut the weight

(since im at about 950 calories/day now anyways,

might as well make it 450 lol)...and the weight I lost was pretty severe. I lost 33 pounds in a month.

I lost 11 pounds in 48 hours......... Not too much of it was water weight


because I didnt drink much water or anything else...and I had a 6 pack by the end of the season,...no bad came from it and I earned the abs that apparently got me laid alot more. I still think it was my funny, witty personality though lol thanks

How did you lose .........." 11 lbs in 48 hours " ?

And if very little of this 11 lb. loss was " water weight " ( as you suggest ), then what would you say comprised the majority of this 11 lb. loss in weight ?

How long do you plan to stay at 950 calories a day ?

 

[FusterCluck0311]

I dont count calories unless I'm cuttin down. Maintenance-wise I eat about 2-3 meals a day, just ruffage, chicken, lean steak, consume carbs in the morning, flax seeds/CoQ-10 for healthy fats, L-Carnitine, and an anti-catabolic supplement, along with 2 whey protein shakes at about 60g each. With my job eating healthy is a task, and it's hard to bring certain foods with me that are considered essential, but I get by. A good thing about my job is that it's a long, grueling yet steady day...Im constantly moving, so if it's even low intensity cardio, I know I'm burning fat, from what I've heard, long sessions of low-medium intensity cardio is much better for burning fat rather than HIIT.

I was consuming very little water, which as I've researched doesnt really matter. Chances are most of that 11 lbs was water weight, but I'd say I lost a good 3-4 lbs of fat. I was producing/holding in so much heat it was ridiculous.

950-1000 cal/day is only a temporary deficit I use to kind of shock my metabolism, then when I start maintaining again, my metabolism seems to work double thus losing more weight, and as chillen explained, no catabolic activity should seem to take place with such a minimal caloric intake, as muscle (as well as fat) seem to grasp for each calorie.

Not to mention when I'm at that deficit, besides my daily multi-vitamin, I live off egg whites in the morning, and the rest is protein and supplements. Occasional can of tuna.

 

[Chillen]

...... and as chillen explained, no catabolic activity should seem to take place with such a minimal caloric intake, as muscle (as well as fat) seem to grasp for each calorie.

No, you misunderstood my previous post, young man.

Eating 900c and being below your base calorie need will bring you to a catabolic state (where the body will use both muscle and fat to fuel its needs)--no matter what you consume within those 900 calories. The body will just have a party feeding on itself for dinner. And, I am not including your taxing activity of training, work, and other activities. When you add in, your fitness training, your activity of work, etc, the situation gets worse, not better.

Its my opinion, correct calorie manipulation in conjunction with exercise manipulation is the cornerstone of revving up one's metabolism. My entire point of my previous posts, were to work with you, on some basic and fundelmental concepts, to enhance your goal path. And, we havent started yet. I hope you are willing to flex a little with your beliefs to allow the possibility of improving your fitness goals. This is all I want to do.


Best wishes


Chillen

 

[FusterCluck0311]

Oh yeah my bad man, I kind of typed that out wrong, I get what you're sayin...Put it this way, my "beliefs" have me eating almost NO food, and it sucks, I'll glady eat more to bring my metabolism to peak performance, word...

Thanks, Sean

 

[Chillen]

Oh yeah my bad man, I kind of typed that out wrong, I get what you're sayin...Put it this way, my "beliefs" have me eating almost NO food, and it sucks, I'll glady eat more to bring my metabolism to peak performance, word...

Thanks, Sean

WORD! Bro! On what I have in bold!

10,000,000 ROCK ON's! Your way, brotha! Dont complain to me when you get a head ache later, it takes a little while for the ROCK ON'S to travel the distance to your location. Have some Advil in the "ready" position!


Best wishes,


Chillen

 

[Chillen]

Fluster, lets start my calculating your calorie needs specifically for you, my friend.

Understand when we get to these figures, its just an approximation (and dependent upon bodily feed back) may need adjusted, but this will give you an idea.

Just take a look at it. Then we can compare it to your 900c you have been consuming and put it in proper perspective, and get you ROCKEN! Okay?

Calculate your BMR with the following formula:

•Men: BMR = 66 + (6.23 x weight in pounds) + (12.7 x height in inches) - (6.8 x age in years)

Step Two : In order to incorporate activity into your daily caloric needs, do the following calculation:

•If you are sedentary : BMR x 1.2
•If you are lightly active: BMR x 1.375
•If you are moderately active (You exercise most days a week.): BMR x 1.55
•If you are very active (You exercise daily.): BMR x 1.725
•If you are extra active (You do hard labor or are in athletic training.): BMR x 1.9

Take your personal information, and then select the appropriate mulitplier from the list that BEST fits your activity level.

Can you post the caloric figure you come up with?

ROCK ON!


Chillen

 

[Wrangell]

I dont count calories unless I'm cuttin down. Maintenance-wise I eat about 2-3 meals a day, just ruffage, chicken, lean steak, consume carbs in the morning, flax seeds/CoQ-10 for healthy fats, L-Carnitine, and an anti-catabolic supplement, along with 2 whey protein shakes at about 60g each.

I just thought you might have some idea how many calories you were eating during maintenance - i.e 3,000 3,500, 4,000+ etc. - since I assume periods of extreme fat loss are regular occurrence for you, you don't want to add too much fat when you are eating normally.

Only 2-3 meals a day ? So, you don't have food snacks at all between workouts ?

With my job eating healthy is a task, and it's hard to bring certain foods with me that are considered essential, but I get by. A good thing about my job is that it's a long, grueling yet steady day...Im constantly moving, so if it's even low intensity cardio, I know I'm burning fat, from what I've heard, long sessions of low-medium intensity cardio is much better for burning fat rather than HIIT.

Much better ? Nope.

With respect to steady state, all other things being equal, the harder and more intensely you train ( i.e versus low to moderate intensity ) the more calories you burn, and the more calories you burn, the more fat you'll eventually lose.

Long sessions of low-medium intensity cardio may burn a higher proportion of fat, but higher intensity cardio tends to burn a higher volume of fat....which is the whole idea when you want to shred fat.

In the case of HIIT, HIIT tends to have the benefit of a post workout burn of calories, and so, it has been shown to be optimal for fat loss compared to some forms of low to moderate intensity steady state cardio.

I was consuming very little water, which as I've researched doesnt really matter. Chances are most of that 11 lbs was water weight, but I'd say I lost a good 3-4 lbs of fat. I was producing/holding in so much heat it was ridiculous.

How do you lose " 11 lbs in 48 hours " again ?

What did you do exactly to pull that off ?

950-1000 cal/day is only a temporary deficit I use to kind of shock my metabolism, then when I start maintaining again, my metabolism seems to work double thus losing more weight,

So, you starve yourself on 900 calories for a short time and go back to a normal diet and as a result of this 900 calorie stint, you burn even more calories and lose even more fat when back on a normal diet ?

I've never heard of that ( in fact, if anything, I've heard the opposite).

Why would you boost fat loss after you've gone into ( i.e completed ) a starvation mode diet ? Could you elaborate a bit more ?

and as chillen explained, no catabolic activity should seem to take place with such a minimal caloric intake, as muscle (as well as fat) seem to grasp for each calorie.

If you're 200+ lbs and still training on a 900 calorie a day intake to shed weight, it may involve some loss of muscle mass ( as well as fat ) don't you think ?

Not to mention when I'm at that deficit, besides my daily multi-vitamin, I live off egg whites in the morning, and the rest is protein and supplements. Occasional can of tuna.

Do you do any training during this time ?

What is your carb consumption like at this time ?

 

[Dry]

How do you lose " 11 lbs in 48 hours " again ?

What did you do exactly to pull that off ??

Dumb question, he obviously ran 295 miles at a steady 6.15 mph pace for 48 continuous hours, thus burning 38,500 calories.

 

[Chillen]

Dumb question, he obviously ran 295 miles at a steady 6.15 mph pace for 48 continuous hours, thus burning 38,500 calories.

We are trying to assist this young man in accellerating his fitness quest. This is the purpose of this forum, no? Can we try to tailor responses (please) with this in mind? Extreme negativity in what one thinks are unwise decisions usually do not work, and will not (normally) assist someone at all. Working with what one has available, and being wise in the approach method, for the benefit of the poster, is the better alternative method.


Chillen

 

[Dry]

We are trying to assist this young man in accellerating his fitness quest. This is the purpose of this forum, no? Can we try to tailor responses (please) with this in mind? Extreme negativity in what one thinks are unwise decisions usually do not work, and will not (normally) assist someone at all. Working with what one has available, and being wise in the approach method, for the benefit of the poster, is the better alternative method.


Chillen

You're right, I was wrong...




















he might've used a bike.

 

[FusterCluck0311]

Fluster, lets start my calculating your calorie needs specifically for you, my friend.

Understand when we get to these figures, its just an approximation (and dependent upon bodily feed back) may need adjusted, but this will give you an idea.

Just take a look at it. Then we can compare it to your 900c you have been consuming and put it in proper perspective, and get you ROCKEN! Okay?

Calculate your BMR with the following formula:

•Men: BMR = 66 + (6.23 x weight in pounds) + (12.7 x height in inches) - (6.8 x age in years)

Step Two : In order to incorporate activity into your daily caloric needs, do the following calculation:

•If you are sedentary : BMR x 1.2
•If you are lightly active: BMR x 1.375
•If you are moderately active (You exercise most days a week.): BMR x 1.55
•If you are very active (You exercise daily.): BMR x 1.725
•If you are extra active (You do hard labor or are in athletic training.): BMR x 1.9

Take your personal information, and then select the appropriate mulitplier from the list that BEST fits your activity level.

Can you post the caloric figure you come up with?

ROCK ON!


Chillen

BMR (2117.85) X 1.725 = 3653

 

[Phate89]

3653 sounds like a really high number, especially coming off a 1000 cal diet. Remember to raise your calorie intake very slowly, otherwise your gonna have some fat gains.

 

[Wrangell]

3653 sounds like a really high number, especially coming off a 1000 cal diet. Remember to raise your calorie intake very slowly, otherwise your gonna have some fat gains.

Actually, using 16 calories per pound of bodyweight is a common quick estimate of ' maintenance ' calories.

So, 210 X 16 = 3,360 vs 3,653...........pretty close........within 10%.

 

[illiniphase4]

With respect to steady state, all other things being equal, the harder and more intensely you train ( i.e versus low to moderate intensity ) the more calories you burn, and the more calories you burn, the more fat you'll eventually lose.

Long sessions of low-medium intensity cardio may burn a higher proportion of fat, but higher intensity cardio tends to burn a higher volume of fat....which is the whole idea when you want to shred fat.

This is really based upon the amount of time an individual has to dedicate to cardio. If someone can commit to an hour of cardio, steady state is more ideal, because the time allows for a similar volume of calories expended along with the greater proportion of calories burned from fat.

In the case of HIIT, HIIT tends to have the benefit of a post workout burn of calories, and so, it has been shown to be optimal for fat loss compared to some forms of low to moderate intensity steady state cardio.

In reality, any form of cardio is going to generate an oxygen debt that requires post workout calories to fully recover from exercise. Low intensity cardio has a relatively fast recovery period, but the recovery curves for both moderate to high intensity steady-state and HIIT cardio have very similar VO2 recovery profiles in terms of energy required to recover. And regardless of the intensity of the exercise, oxygen uptake and energy consumption during recovery always exceeds pre-exercise resting values.