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FusterCluck0311

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When I wrestled in high school I was in in unbelievable shape. But with the plastic bags and the no-eating diet it really pushes against all the theories Ive seen all over magazines, the internet and any other sources.

I guess its common sense that not eating for days on end, sipping small amounts of water and takin a shot of vinegar the night before a match isnt healthy. But I was in fine health, my immune system was strong...I was always hungry, but seldom did i REALLY feel like ass. My metabolism was fine, because I definitely splurged on serious nasty ass food at tournaments that normally would stick to me like glue (McDonalds, cafeteria egg sandwiches with bacon and cheese, these little fuked up square bagel things with a pound of cream cheese), but I really gained no weight from it

I guess my question is why is this way of cutting weight so bad? The obvious answer I would think is that its not healthy, but I was. If I had just a bit more willpower I'd have no problem not eating to cut the weight (since im at about 950 calories/day now anyways, might as well make it 450 lol)...and the weight I lost was pretty severe. I lost 33 pounds in a month. I lost 11 pounds in 48 hours. Not too much of it was water weight because I didnt drink much water or anything else...and I had a 6 pack by the end of the season,...no bad came from it and I earned the abs that apparently got me laid alot more. I still think it was my funny, witty personality though lol

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Derwyddon said:
Why do you think you were healthy? I can promise you that you weren't. Your body needs nutrients and calories to achieve a basic level of healthy function, things you weren't giving yourself. Just because you "rarely felt like ass" does not mean you were healthy.

The reason you lost such huge amounts of weight was because you were losing a lot of water weight. Those are tricks atheletes use for weigh ins, it isn't true fat loss at all.

Also, to do this for any length of time you'd lose a lot of your muscle / strength / performance.

Of course you're not going to gain weight from a rare binge at tournaments. Your body works on trends, and your trend was one of starvation.

People have come very close to dying from using plastic bags and such for weight loss. it causes severe dehydration and no real fatloss - only water loss.
950 cal a day? Why? That isn't going to help you reach your goals in anyway. It's going to shut down your body is what it's going to do.

I'm not attacking you, I just truely hope you will see that this kind of mentality isn't healthy, even if you feel "okay".
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My muscle mass wasnt what it was for obvious reasons, but with some heavy resistance training my lifts did not decrease as much as I thought...my endurance was through the roof and my speed was optimal.

I can assure you out of the amount of weight I dropped and the amount of excercise mixed with minimal water intake in the beginning of the week I lost a critical amount of fat. I know the body consists of about 66% water and Im sure something will be able to leak out of my pores, but theres no possible way I would of cut up the way I did..

Keep in mind I was running 12-14 miles a day, my workout regiment was 7 days a week for 4-5 hours a day. You need some muscle to blow out 600-700 pushups a day, 2X crunches. I'll reiterate my decrease of mass, but I had enough to have a ripped up look and abs I would kill for now.

With that said, I had no real reason not to feel healthy. That and a 24-4 record didnt make me think twice on how I trained was wrong..To be honest, in boot camp I had 3 square meals a day (zero sweets, no condiments), worked out half as much, which sums up to a good amount of cardio, but lifted and trained different muscles different days with a good amount of rest and all that jazz...and got the same results.

So I dont know if I have a high tolerance for malnutrition or an immune system on steroids. And how would that 950 cal a day diet not work for me as far as cutting? (roughly 500 of those calories are lean protein) My main goal is to drop about 25 lbs and begin to bulk up lean at about 170-175...I see no other way to drop weight faster then a dramatically low daily calorie intake with a heavy amount of cardio and endurance training (mixed with essential once or twice a week resistance)...besides the bag trick and no food lol ..Then again Ill be in the desert come May so Ill lose the weight there :yelrotflmao:
 
You're missing the point of this Der...I was asking why it worked the way it did. You're telling me "no absolutely not...not healthy not healthy". This whole experience was a few years ago and it worked in terms of physical fitness. As far as health is concerned I was completely sound and was usually full of energy, stamina and vigor. I guess this is the way my body works, and not only do I believe it, but Ive lived it, so obviously you cant convince me otherwise 40 lbs and a wrestling season later. If theres no method to the madness then I suppose you could answer with a simple "I dont know". I've already trained like this, I became extremely fit, and I didnt die. I dont train like this now so chances are I probably wont lose my life to a plastic bag and an empty stomach.

I'm pretty sure you can cut weight with twice the calories and half the workload because I guarantee my lifestyle does not mesh with yours. I smoke daily, I drink 2-3 nights a week, and Im submersed in a stressful environment. I also stand too close to the microwave, dont wear a seatbelt, lift with my back etc, etc, etc...In other words I beat myself up and I dont plan on living to 100. My life does not allow for convenience and a cozy, comforting workout regiment. Its vigorous, (and Im not saying that everyone elses here is not), and it makes me wanna drink beer

Nice to be here...and ANY reply is cool, Im just argumentative lately...
 
By the sounds to me like you probably 'got away with it' rather than the diet working well for you. That could just have been because you were young, fit and healthy enough before to run down your reserves for a long time. A little like a Formula 1 car getting faster as it's fuel supply decreases.

I wouldn't advice your diet to anyone though as running low on calories often has long term health implications. What you did was gamble with your health
 
Yeah no doubt, it was probably a mistake even posting this because I dont want people to get the wrong idea at 240 lbs at 30% body fat and REALLY kill themselves. Although Im pretty confident a young man or women with the proper supervision, and an increasing workout day to day....and an ambulance standing by lol, I think it would work well like it did for me.

But I absolutely dont recommend any of the training I endured...unless you have balls and want to man up.. lol jk folks it's not too smart


Der: What CCR posted was a valid response, made sense, and got me to understand his/her concept and anology with the Formula race car, in just 4.5 easy sentences...you told me flat out it simply did not work. But it...did. What I achieved was not a false sense of "fitness", most likely just not at peak health. Fitness is the capability of the body of distributing inhaled oxygen to muscle tissue during increased physical effort. Im 100% sure I could have outrun you, and out-do your effort in any muscular endurance, especially full body workouts tenfold. Not in terms of NOW, but in my time of "bad" health I was a machine. A short-lived, well oiled machine...and I didnt pack the weight back on until 2 years later, in which I still remained in good shape..

So, my fitness, however temporary, still benefited me for what it was meant for, I lost a massive amount of weight in a short time, and no long term illnesses/diseases, muscle fatigue, my head falling off...etc
 
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I know what you mean Fuster. There’s no doubt eating a greater deficit will lead to greater weight loss. I think when people talk of the “healthy” aspect of it there’s two ways to look at it: short term and long term. Short term, heck, you’re going to lose a lot of weight and your BF% can get extremely low without any extremely terrible immediate effects. Long term, eating 900 cals / day with 5 hours of working out will lead to poor health (think of the extreme case of anorexia). There are probably some (maybe tiny and negligible) negative effects in the short term to your organs from such a drastic routine.

The question to me is: How long can you do that extreme routine without harming yourself and why take the chance?

I can’t personally do that because working out on empty makes me feel pretty sick.
 
2bBuff, my idea is just to cut the weight, then when I am lean enough I can begin my bulking. It only takes me around 3 months to drop 40 lbs within reason nowadays, compared to drastic weightloss when wrestling (although to most 40 lbs is considered drastic in 3 months). With alot of resistance training and full body workouts like dead lifts, pullups, pushups I trim down without sacrificing ALOT of muscle, obviously some is lost.

While cutting almost each calorie is protein, with ANY fats I consume (bananas, low sodium beef jerky) are consumed in the morning. The rest is simple/complex carbs that correspond with time of day.
 
Fustercluck, what were your stats before you started to lose the weight through starvation? I would think if you were in the overweight zone, you would go through major headaches and hunger pains. 33 lbs. in 1 month? Hm, how long has it been since you lost that weight? I'm sure the weight would all come back(plus some more) on once you start eating regularly again(more food).
 
Dude bananas and beef jerky are not fats. Bananas are mostly carbs and beef jerky is mostly protein. Also, I have nothing against what you are doing if it works for you, and I'm definitely not saying you are, but wrestling is the number one cause of anorexia in men, which says that the diets they put you on are the same as those of anorexics, which is clearly not a healthy lifestyle.
 
Hey Fuster, i agree that extreme deficits can be used to lose alot of weight quickly. When I was trying to lose weight, and didn't really know much about nutrition i followed something alone those lines and managed to lose around 45 lbs in 2 1/2 months but at the end of that i lost some muscle and my metabolism was in the garbage.

But it was worth it.
 
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FusterCluck0311 said:
Yeah no doubt, it was probably a mistake even posting this because I dont want people to get the wrong idea at 240 lbs at 30% body fat and REALLY kill themselves. Although Im pretty confident a young man or women with the proper supervision, and an increasing workout day to day....and an ambulance standing by lol, I think it would work well like it did for me.

But I absolutely dont recommend any of the training I endured...unless you have balls and want to man up.. lol jk folks it's not too smart


Der: What CCR posted was a valid response, made sense, and got me to understand his/her concept and anology with the Formula race car, in just 4.5 easy sentences...you told me flat out it simply did not work. But it...did. What I achieved was not a false sense of "fitness", most likely just not at peak health. Fitness is the capability of the body of distributing inhaled oxygen to muscle tissue during increased physical effort. Im 100% sure I could have outrun you, and out-do your effort in any muscular endurance, especially full body workouts tenfold. Not in terms of NOW, but in my time of "bad" health I was a machine. A short-lived, well oiled machine...and I didnt pack the weight back on until 2 years later, in which I still remained in good shape..

So, my fitness, however temporary, still benefited me for what it was meant for, I lost a massive amount of weight in a short time, and no long term illnesses/diseases, muscle fatigue, my head falling off...etc
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Sorry, did not read through the whole thread :11doh: This would answer my question above.

I honestly, and anyone would want to probably lose that much weight in that little of time, but like I said, people in bad shape would probably not want to "kill" themselves, if you will, to achieve that.

And to what Derw said, I agree. I want to sum it all up by saying, what you did definitely was NOT healthy(it worked, but not healthy).
 
Aiming4165 said:
Fustercluck, what were your stats before you started to lose the weight through starvation? I would think if you were in the overweight zone, you would go through major headaches and hunger pains. 33 lbs. in 1 month? Hm, how long has it been since you lost that weight? I'm sure the weight would all come back(plus some more) on once you start eating regularly again(more food).
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Hunger pains is normal in a deficit diet, and they are only temporary. Once you over come it the first couple weeks it gets much easier when your body adapts. And no, you generally don't gain the weight back as long as you are smart about slowing increasing calorie intake while following a adequate training program.
 
amp89 said:
Dude bananas and beef jerky are not fats. Bananas are mostly carbs and beef jerky is mostly protein. Also, I have nothing against what you are doing if it works for you, and I'm definitely not saying you are, but wrestling is the number one cause of anorexia in men, which says that the diets they put you on are the same as those of anorexics, which is clearly not a healthy lifestyle.
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you beat me to the bananas and jerky amp hehe:boxing_smiley:
 
"Keep in mind I was running 12-14 miles a day, my workout regiment was 7 days a week for 4-5 hours a day. You need some muscle to blow out 600-700 pushups a day, 2X crunches."

oh damn kid, YOURE HXC
 
calz said:
"Keep in mind I was running 12-14 miles a day, my workout regiment was 7 days a week for 4-5 hours a day. You need some muscle to blow out 600-700 pushups a day, 2X crunches."

oh damn kid, YOURE HXC
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THNX DOOD R U HXC 2?!1 LOL?!?//

For some reason I replaced the amount of calories for fat as far as bananas are concerned, which is only about 130 calories anyway, but Im only on about 900-1000 a day. The beef jerky has alot of sodium which is the reason I consume it early in the day...neither are fats but whatever, my fault..and the anorexia thing Im 100% not worried about

edit - it took me about 3 years to gain half the weight back, which in my opinion isnt bad...i was below 7% for most of that time, then i kind of let loose and became a fat **** again until boot
 
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