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If you're not breathing very heavily during your workouts and even if you are i suggest you do some sort of conditioning work a couple times per week. Having big muscles is cool and all, but your heart and lungs are way more important.

Conditioning training doesnt have to take long, doesnt require any equipment and doesnt have to be boring. Walking, biking, running are good options, but there are many different ways to do it.

Here are a few things you might like to look over:

Bodybuilding.com - Ross Enamait - Burpee Conditioning - No More Nonsense!

RossTraining - Articles

RossTraining - Articles

Im also curious why you chose such an elaborate split rather than a more simplified one???

I have something different in mind for him, wes.

Thanks for the input!


Best wishes

Chillen
 
Care to elaborate???
 
Care to elaborate???

When its the correct, time, I shall.

But, at this time, its not the right time within the discussion.

Working out the particulars of diet (for fat loss) is priority as it will determine what is done with training approach, and other timing factors, IMO

If one doesn't think (dependent on approach) on diet, has something to do with training (type, volume/frequency and recovery, etc) they are categorically wrong.

I am attempting to tailor this to him in particular as much as possible.

:)

Best wishes,

Chillen
 
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Well as long as hes working his heart and lungs thats good cuz i hate seeing people that lift weights, but can do anything functional. I know plenty of people that think they're in good shape but if they did burpees for a few minutes they would probably die.

To some extent im in this predicament as ive been working on gaining weight and strength and neglecting my conditioning.
 
If you're not breathing very heavily during your workouts and even if you are i suggest you do some sort of conditioning work a couple times per week. Having big muscles is cool and all, but your heart and lungs are way more important.

Conditioning training doesnt have to take long, doesnt require any equipment and doesnt have to be boring. Walking, biking, running are good options, but there are many different ways to do it.

Here are a few things you might like to look over:

Bodybuilding.com - Ross Enamait - Burpee Conditioning - No More Nonsense!

RossTraining - Articles

RossTraining - Articles

Im also curious why you chose such an elaborate split rather than a more simplified one???

Thanks for the input. In the spring/summer/fall I do a lot of mountain biking with my son, walking with my wife, and swimming. My hobby is freestyle jetskiing(thus my goofy avatar)on real jet skis, not the kind you sit down on. I ride pretty much every day late April through mid November, and believe it or not, it is quite a workout, not a leisurely cruise. I just slack off big time on all those activities when the lake is frozen, the roads are covered in ice, and the air temperature is 20 degrees.

I don't think my split is elaborate by any stretch of the imagination, it's about as simple as I have ever had it. Back 'in the day' you should have seen my routine, it was a longer read than War and Peace.

Thanks for the links, I will give them a look over.
 
Well as long as hes working his heart and lungs thats good cuz i hate seeing people that lift weights, but can do anything functional. I know plenty of people that think they're in good shape but if they did burpees for a few minutes they would probably die.

To some extent im in this predicament as ive been working on gaining weight and strength and neglecting my conditioning.

I understand your point, Wes, more than you may think I do. However, anyone can shower an individual with training methods (assuming quality ones), which just assumes a different paths to the same goal.

Which my point is: at the end of the day, which is 'better' simply depends on the context and the person.

However, there is a diet (perimeter) opinion, that I am going to give him (within this 7 pound fat loss approximation), that Ross training isn't a viable option. Training is going to be simple, basic, forthcoming, and in some cases by the nature of the exercise, include cardiovascular conditioning (which is a separate inclusion benefit) separate to the "point" of the exercise.


Best regards,

Chillen
 
I just gave some options for stuff that can be done anywhere because he said he wasntr doing anything because of the weather.

Anyone can do burpees for 15 miutes and get a good workout.

I didnt mean to step on anyones toes.
 
I just gave some options for stuff that can be done anywhere because he said he wasntr doing anything because of the weather.

I couldn't do real burpees in my house. I have low ceilings and I hate fixing plaster. Wait, my Master Bedroom has 12 foot ceilings...but I'm pretty sure if I was leaping around like a frog with his butt on fire in my bedroom at 5:30 in the morning, I'd be getting a call from the Divorce Lawyer in short order.
 
I just gave some options for stuff that can be done anywhere because he said he wasntr doing anything because of the weather.

Anyone can do burpees for 15 miutes and get a good workout.

I didnt mean to step on anyones toes.

You are cool, Wes. Don't take offense.

I am just trying to explain why it wasn't the time. You see, Wes, dealing with specifics (or at least trying to) is more difficult (IMO), than dealing with generalities. There some things one has to learn about the individual (personal particulars, lifestyle, etc, etc), the generalities do not reach.

You are more than welcome to post your thoughts and opinions, and treat this log as your own (and you know why) I say that.

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, if I had I am truly sorry.


Chillen
 
Basically my point was that there are many ways to get things done. The path isnt nearly as importanat as the destination.

Im sure Chillen has some great ideas. :animal3:
 
LOL no my feelings dont get hurt very easily. Especially by people i like and respect.
:costumed:

When I start posting comments on the diet, I am going to propose particular to his situation, lol..........no room for softies :) :action9:


You wanna punch it out!:boxing_smiley: I get a handicap, though. You have to tie one arm behind your back first. :)

Just messen' :)


Best wishes,

Chillen
 
Chillen are you going to set him up with a weights routine??? Or do you think he should continue witht he one he has???

When i asked why you choose to do such an elaborate split i meant why hit each body part only once per week rather than train the body as a whole or at least split it up upper/lower or push/pull. Im just curious if there is a specific reason or if someone gave you thie routine???

Sorry if im being nosey, i have nothing better to do cuz im sick and am just waiting to go to work.
 
Chillen are you going to set him up with a weights routine??? Or do you think he should continue witht he one he has???

When i asked why you choose to do such an elaborate split i meant why hit each body part only once per week rather than train the body as a whole or at least split it up upper/lower or push/pull. Im just curious if there is a specific reason or if someone gave you thie routine???

Sorry if im being nosey, i have nothing better to do cuz im sick and am just waiting to go to work.

Put it simply: What I do, is just based off prior personal experiences and feed back from the last three years of recording what I have been doing (a modest synopsis). Through trial and error, I learned what worked and what doesn't, and it is STILL a learning process.

What I do, isn't necessarily applicable to Russ, nor someone else. It's simply illogical to think it is--especially being nearly 48. But, Russ and I do have a common denominator, and this is age, and this is just about as close as you will get to specific similarities. Thus, we have to approach him different in my opinion (for a series of reasons).

Geesh......Wes.......Patience. You can be nosy all you want, lol :)

I am going to work out his diet, before I move on to anything else.

And if you have seen any of my posts, this shouldn't be a surprise.

We will get it. I plan to work this out to completion, so patience.

M-Kay?

Best regards,

Chillen
 
Dodo any work at work for crying out loud??? :rolleyes:

Must be nice to have a job where you can argue with me all day..lol.

It has its privileges, and set backs. :)

Not arguing with you. This has more to do about Russ, at the moment.

If no network complications things are cool, if there is, I am not exactly Chilling out, and have vacated the board for several weeks before (believe it or not) because of problems at work and business trips to configure hardware, etc.

best regards,

Chillen
 
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Chillen are you going to set him up with a weights routine??? Or do you think he should continue witht he one he has???

When i asked why you choose to do such an elaborate split i meant why hit each body part only once per week rather than train the body as a whole or at least split it up upper/lower or push/pull. Im just curious if there is a specific reason or if someone gave you thie routine???

Sorry if im being nosey, i have nothing better to do cuz im sick and am just waiting to go to work.

No problem. My take on this is:

Full body workouts are for beginners, at least FBW with a lot of isolation exercises.

Upper/Lower I am not a fan of. If I were to do some heavy duty benching and then try to do some decent rows or pulldowns, the exercises for the back would suffer because I would be drained and my arms would be tired. Vice Versa if I started with rows then moved on to the bench. This is my own personal experience, mind you. For a younger fellow, it may be justfine.

Push/Pull is essentially what I do, I just throw in a leg day as well.

No one 'gave' me this routine, it is a routine that fits my tight schedule, allows me to recover fully between major muscle groups, and has provided me decent gains.

Believe me, I have tried nearly the gamut as far as routines go. I was a major gym rat and eventually a personal trainer many many many many years ago, and I experimented a lot. I also learned that a routine that worked well for one client, may not have been as beneficial, or fit the particular needs, goals, and schedule of another client.

You'd be surprised at the amount of people that do well hitting a body part an average of 'only' 1 or so times per week.

Again, this was a lifetime ago when I was a trainer. That is why I am on this board now, to catch up on the latest and greatest. And to get advice from some folks, and I appreciate yours.
 
Full body workouts are not just for beginners, but to each his own.

Being worn out after a few sets of bench press means you arent in very good shape..lol, but im not going to try to convince you cuz like i said to each his own.

Best of luck with everything.
 
Full body workouts are not just for beginners, but to each his own.

Being worn out after a few sets of bench press means you arent in very good shape..lol, but im not going to try to convince you cuz like i said to each his own.

Best of luck with everything.


Do 6 sets of bench to failure. 60 seconds rest between sets. Your arms will not be any more fatigued than if you did 0 sets, and you will have 100% of the strength/energy you would have if you started fresh? Okee Dokee :rolleyes:
 
Do 6 sets of bench to failure. 60 seconds rest between sets. Your arms will not be any more fatigued than if you did 0 sets, and you will have 100% of the strength/energy you would have if you started fresh? Okee Dokee :rolleyes:
Im sensing some hostility so i first want to say that what i said was meant to be taken in a friendly fashion and not meant to be rude or insulting.

I never said you wouldnt be more fatigued, but many people do 5X5 full body workouts and they seem to do ok. Most athletes and powerlifters do fullbody or half and half split workouts and a lot of the bodybuilders (for example Arnold and Mike Mentzer)gained most of their size this way. Chillen does an upper/lower split and he seems to be excelling. So I think its a copout to say that you will be so fatigued that you cant do other bodyparts. If you adjust for the extra frequency you will be surprised how fast your work capacity will increase.

Doing fullbody or half and half splits are much better at forcing the body to release serum testosterone, HGH and other horomones that cause the body to change and they make you work harder so you get in better all around shape.

Please dont take this personal as im just arguing the point. I couldnt really care less what routine you choose to use as thats up to you. If it works for you then by all means continue to use it.
 
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