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I have several PC's to work on 2morrow morning, and will be on in the early afternoon (or thereabouts).

I have several threads/journals that have left me questions, and I will try to get to them. I haven't forgot! I have a lot on my plate.

Workin' it! Rocken it!


Have a great day!

Best wishes,

Chillen
 
February 19th, 2009: "Thoughts for the day"

How Many Carbohydrates Do You Need?

(By Lyle McDonald)

Link:
 
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February 19th, 2009: "Thoughts for the day" (2)

The Baseline Diet Part 1 (part 2 not completed yet)

(by Lyle McDonald)

A very good read for those interested in their diet and gaining adequate muscle.
 
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February 19th, 2009: "Thoughts for the day" (5)

General Philosophies of Muscle Mass Gain

(By Lyle McDonald)




Each are a good read! Enjoy!

Best wishes,

Chillen
 
Hi Chillen,
Sorry to bother you, but you seem to be one of the most well read folks on here and have also experimented on yourself a lot as well.
Here is my situation. I'm 5'9" 172 lbs, in pretty decent shape..(I can see my abs if the light is just right and I use my imagination a little) :D.
Due to my work schedule, my kids schedule, and my wife's business schedule, the time I have to work out is limited, so I work out first thing in the morning.
I rise at 5:30 and hit the weights. I don't have time to have breakfast first and wait for digestion before working out. Typically I just mix some papaya juice or some white grape juice with 5 grams of creatine mono, chug that down, and start lifting. I drink water throughout my routine.
Post workout I have some Optimum Nutrition Pro Complex or whey protein mixed with lowfat milk.
I'll shower and then have a banana on my drive to work.
How could I improve my pre and post workout nutrition :eating:. I am basically looking to add more lean mass to my frame.

Thanks a million and have a fantastic day!!!
 
Well -- to start.. my comment about competitors maybe on this site, may be people who I will compete against... therefore I have training secrets I don't want out! I'll PM you with that specific info. I have no idea if anyone is on this site, but I want to blow away the competition, and then have people access my website to find out how!

Diet: I eat, on the average, 5 pbj sandwiches a day, on wheat bread when I work. I have one protein bar at night, and one during the day, part of it before, and part of it as I train if I become hungry. I have a protein shake when I get back from training.

I'll usually eat a chicken breast or steak, with green beans before I go to work. That is it in a nutshell.... on a regular basis. I have cheat meals here and there, so I know that I won't be that 5% I want to be until the week or day of competition.

But when it is crunch time - 3 months out and until competition, no cheat meals, maybe a diet pop or two per week. Usually only chicken, steak, green beans, and low fat wraps, instead of bread. My wife won't eat with me, because it become so bland.

Body fat%: I estimate this due to the gym owner, a guy my age who is getting ready for MMA comps soon just got his done in a tub of water - he told me he is 5.7%. Another staff member at the gym had calipers done on him, I know inaccurate, and they told him 12%. I am far leaner than the 12% -- he barely had a six pack. I can see mine clear as day... almost as good as yours. The only place I seem to hold fat is love handles - and there is more than I want there, but overall not bad at all. The rest of me is fairly good, and I'm not too far off the gym owner's. - though he didn't show his abs... we are about the same size - height and weight. He was 181, and I'm about 185. That is how I get to that 8%'ish.

I agree that I don't want to be 5% NOW. I want to be that on my comp day. So I want to 'experiment' with my body now to see what works, and what does not.

If you're saying that bodybuilders GET to 5%, then I'm no where near now.... I always read that they get to approx. 3%. So I was basing my % on the two guys at the gym, and my appearance.

I'll PM you with some training specifics.

Jim
 
Well -- to start.. my comment about competitors maybe on this site, may be people who I will compete against... therefore I have training secrets I don't want out! I'll PM you with that specific info.

I received your info via PM, Jim. Thank you. I respect your feelings, and expect these to be in strict personal confidence.

Body fat%: I estimate this due to the gym owner, a guy my age who is getting ready for MMA comps soon just got his done in a tub of water - he told me he is 5.7%. Another staff member at the gym had calipers done on him, I know inaccurate, and they told him 12%.

I am far leaner than the 12% -- he barely had a six pack. I can see mine clear as day... almost as good as yours. The only place I seem to hold fat is love handles - and there is more than I want there, but overall not bad at all. The rest of me is fairly good, and I'm not too far off the gym owner's. - though he didn't show his abs... we are about the same size - height and weight. He was 181, and I'm about 185. That is how I get to that 8%'ish.

I understand, but I still want a picture of you: It goes to the core fundamentals, IMO. My purpose, is not to throw some generic blanket nutrition opinion, like so many get, because this "can be" person specific, whether some choose to believe this or not.

It is not sound or proper judgment to apply nutrition nor fitness activity advice, without knowing the physical starting point of the person being worked with, IMO.

It can be one of the core elements on how/why certain things are applied.

Which you didn't answer one way or the other in my other post response.

Personal particulars can vary per person as "can the body fat" minimal to see the abdominal core.

One of the most important processes in constructing dietary perimeters and applying these to the individual is rather fundamental:

It's basically learning whom this person is. What is most important in this last sentence is the phrase: "whom this person is", and the definition applied is more specific to diet and fitness to learn the persons' particulars.

It is rather fundamentally unsound/improper not to do so. It works from a base premise of: What works for one may not for another because of the variables involved per person.

I have every intention of ironing these personal particulars (of you) out, before anything "specific" is applied. This is just sound judgment in my opinion.

But, I have a few questions and comments reference some of the information you have provided:

It seems you are surrounded with and/or have access to, many people whom have obtained very low body fat levels notwithstanding the possibility they are in very good physical condition. Taken from the quote above, and from previous comments in other posts.

I believe this causes some obvious questions. If these persons are grounded in knowledge of diet and fitness education, then why are you not seeking advice/counsel from these persons who are very close to you and you see in person? The reasons you sought my advice (hypothetically) is due to some comments made on the forum, and my personal success, correct? And, from (the limited information I know) it appears you have access to (like) individuals real close to you. Are any of these personal trainers? Or are you on a personal level of friendship, where you can receive the counsel you seek, without it costing you monetarily? Is money an issue?

Do not misunderstand me. I am asking this because addressing and communicating on dietary/fitness issues face to face would be far easier than corresponding about these on a fitness forum. It can be far more efficient and practical in.......most cases.

I am..more..than willing to help you, but with some of your comments, command me to address the obvious.

Diet: I eat, on the average, 5 pbj sandwiches a day, on wheat bread when I work. I have one protein bar at night, and one during the day, part of it before, and part of it as I train if I become hungry. I have a protein shake when I get back from training.

I'll usually eat a chicken breast or steak, with green beans before I go to work. That is it in a nutshell.... on a regular basis. I have cheat meals here and there, so I know that I won't be that 5% I want to be until the week or day of competition.

I Understand.

I am not going to comment on this part of your post, specifically applied to the food items consumed, because this will change......as we move along.

We can work with your food items to take to work, and nutrition (macro nutrients, calories), I believe are good based on your circumstances, and wanting to drop BF levels.

I am assuming (currently) you are maintaining your weight rather well (with the amount of calories consumed), though you are consuming good carbohydrates. Do you by chance....know your calorie intake? This is good info. Have you tried to manipulate these before? How? Why? When? Just curious, because this (more than likely) will be an area we address most notably.

But, I am unwilling to address dropping body fat, unless (again) I know what your physique looks like.

I am curious though (again), what have you done in the past (in diet, such as calories, macro nutrients) to get to this level. You are NOT addressing this specifically. Such as: How many calories. Did you partition macro nutrients in grams and log them, etc, etc.

I agree that I don't want to be 5% NOW. I want to be that on my comp day. So I want to 'experiment' with my body now to see what works, and what does not.

I understand, what you are saying, and this is fine--addressing what you have underlined.

This makes me believe, that you believe you have a competition level physique. But, I am operating in the dark. And, this is "nothing" against you, but many have made claims on the forum (some true, and some false), and I want to dwell in some clear cut base perimeters, and knowing your starting physique is one criteria I must know, IMO.

If you're saying that bodybuilders GET to 5%, then I'm no where near now.... I always read that they get to approx. 3%. So I was basing my % on the two guys at the gym, and my appearance.

The 5% was an approximation. Lyle McDonald suggests (critical fat is) somewhere around 3%. Yes, I have seen some claim 3-4%.

Additionally, he defines (which is very rare one gets this practical), Stubborn Fat along the same lines as some of the medical terms of some of our fat layers, and I agree with most of his comments and beliefs.

But, yes, we can deal with some ways to get you this low, when its time for your competition, and of course, its good to experiment to see what works and what doesn't

Most misunderstand how critical body fat is to: the body. And, how badly (in simple terms) it really wants to covet it in the process of your personal goals, and there is simply a point (within everyone) where if it gets too...low, it can be unhealthy, and IN EXTREME CASES.....cause death.

Additionally, I personally do not think its viable and plausible (in the health aspect, and just common sense practicality) to be this low in body fat per day as it is clearly close to the bodies critical fat area (IMO).

"Most" BBer's will tell you there BF isn't this low year round. Competition lean is different than out of competition lean.

Anything around 5% or below, you "could be" "potentially flirting with issues you do not want (IMO), and it certainly isn't practical to carry everyday, but I regress to ones personal goal definitions.

And, if you are comparing yourself to BBer's (whom use steroids regularly), this too is unpractical and not very sound.

For example: the use of steroids (etc, along these lines), can remove....some of the biological barriers, that a more natural body builder has to deal with when cutting or trying to reduce body fat to: Competition levels or in some cases just practical lean areas.

Steroids (and other illegal substances) can turn on and off certain hormonal functions (ect, etc), and creates a different environment (biologically inside), than a natural body builder. And, its simply a mistake (IMO) to even mimick some of their routines (at least most of them--I should say).

Here is the bottom line:

1. Post a picture of yourself (without a face is fine, if you prefer). The reasons for this, I have explained earlier. Dependent on the disposition of the picture, I may have additional comments.

Additionally, if proves that you are properly built, and do have a little excess body fat (in the rear back/obliques), I will explain (cause I think its necessary) why I believe this is so area can be so difficult to remove, and how we can tackle it through manipulating macro nutrients, calories, and other logistics.

2. Give me an idea of your work schedule with your days off included.

3. We will then set up a revised program (we can agree on with your other training), while allowing the focus point to function: dropping a few percents of body fat.


Best wishes,

Chillen
 
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Hey Chillen.

Ive been having indigestion non stop for about a week now which seemed to start just after taking medication for the flu. Im going to go to the doctors on Monday if it doesnt get better by then, but i was wondering if you had any thoughts or ideas to combat this. Its weird cuz i had the same problem about a year or so ago, but it went away. Ive been trying to chew my food better and sit up straighter when im eating etc, but it doesnt seem to be helping. Anyway just a shot in the dark.

At work i get a 10 minute break and ive been eating a tuna or turkey sandwhich with milk and trail mix, then going right back to work which im thinking isnt the best for digestion since my work is like working out. I would never eat a solidmeal, then train. So i was considering taking a banana and a protein shake, but im not sure how good of an idea it is to mix a shake at 4:30, leave it in the fridge in a stainless steal thermos until 8pm, then drink it.

Any thoughts or ideas would be very much appreciated.
 
Hi Chillen,
Sorry to bother you, but you seem to be one of the most well read folks on here and have also experimented on yourself a lot as well.

Thank you for your kind words. I owe more to the time taken to educate myself, then the time spent carrying out functions of nutrition and fitness training. Education and modifying it to my particulars just allowed the functions of nutrition and fitness training to become practical.

Here is my situation. I'm 5'9" 172 lbs, in pretty decent shape..(I can see my abs if the light is just right and I use my imagination a little) :D.

Would you happen to have a current pic? I would like to see it. You can post it here if you wish to. What do you think your current level of BF % is. And, lastly, what are your personal goals? Are you currently happy (or content if you will) with your physique, but want to drop a few pounds (percents ) of BF, to reveal the Ab core better, or improve it?

If this sort of narrows it down, then we can address this, once you show a pic, and answer some basic questions.

Due to my work schedule, my kids schedule, and my wife's business schedule, the time I have to work out is limited, so I work out first thing in the morning. I rise at 5:30 and hit the weights. I don't have time to have breakfast first and wait for digestion before working out.

The main importance is one's "overall nutrition", speaking in terms of calories, macro nutrients, and in some cases careful timing and consumption of food and macro nutrients within a 24 hour period, and its associated trend.

How could I improve my pre and post workout nutrition :eating:. I am basically looking to add more lean mass to my frame.

Thanks a million and have a fantastic day!!!


Solving the Pre and Post Workout Nutrition Puzzle, John Berardi:

John Berardi - Solving the Post Workout Puzzle Part I


John Berardi - Solving the Post Workout Puzzle - Part II


Take time to read the above, and if you want specific items of food, for this period, I will assist you with this.

Additionally, (dependent) on your answers, I will also assist you in lowering your BF, if this is what you want to do with your present physique.

I will simply do what I can to help you.


Best regards,

Chillen
 
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February 20th, 2009: "Thoughts for the Day" (1)

Orderly Progress = Power

Many of those who wish to succeed find relief and an improved attitude from this quote:

"THE TOTALITY OF POWER IS ORDERLY PROGRESS."
L. Ron Hubbard

Discouragement and frustration from not making your goals quickly enough are resolved through orderly progress.

Do you ever get frustrated because your life is not the way you want it? Perhaps you are trying to skip steps necessary to reaching your goals. Instead of demanding PERFECTION TODAY!, focus on orderly progress and your odds of success are much higher.

Do you ever feel overwhelmed? If so, orderly progress becomes even more important. Confronting huge amounts of work is not overwhelming when you see yourself making orderly progress, even in small amounts, toward your goals.

Do you ever feel like you are losing ground or failing? If you map out your actual goal and move one inch closer on a regular basis, you have new power.

Do you ever feel like you are treading water and going nowhere? It is time for you to focus on some orderly progress.

How do you eat an elephant? How do you move a mountain? How to you reach huge goals? One mouthful, one rock and one step at a time.

Examples: giving a positive impression to one more person; learning one more new skill; lessening one bad habit, investing a few more dollars in savings. Daily progress in a specific direction creates long-term power when the progress is constant and orderly.

If you have been dissatisfied with your progress in life, or if you feel discouraged, overwhelmed or frustrated, make a list of orderly steps you can take every day and every week. Calm, direct, orderly steps.

Once you have your strategy worked out there is no need to worry about the past or the future—just concentrate on the present; on the steps of this plan. By putting order into your progress, nothing and nobody can stop you.

A mountain creek is more powerful than a granite boulder when the creek slowly and surely wears the boulder down. Orderly progress toward your goals starts with small, positive steps.

You can generate new power from this week forward. Deciding to have orderly progress is the first step.

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“Love is of all passions the strongest, for it attacks simultaneously the head, the heart and the senses.” (Tao)

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“You can chain me, you can torture me, you can even destroy this body, but you will never imprison my mind.” (ghandi)


Imprison your mind, imprison yourself (Chillen)


Best wishes to everyone on the forum,

Chillen
 
February 20th, 2009:"Thoughts for the Day" (3)

I don't think we have a clear cut post/sticky on this forum, reference explaining Interval training to New Persons. This article below is fantastic for those interested in learning what it is:


All About Interval Training by Mike Boyle--Part ONE

Do you think you know what interval training is?

Lets see:

I think every fat loss article we read espouses the value of interval training for fat loss. In fact the term HIIT ( for High Intensity Interval Training) is thrown around so much that many people just assume they know what it is. However among all the recommendations I see to perform HIIT, very few articles contain any practical information as to what to do or how to do it.

I have to confess that I stumbled into this area somewhat accidentally. Two different processes converged to make me understand that I might be a fat loss expert and not know it. In my normal process of professional reading I read both Alwyn Cosgrove’s Afterburn and Craig Ballantyne’s Turbo Training. What struck me immediately was that what these experts were recommending for fat loss looked remarkably like the programs we used for conditioning.

At the time I was reading these programs I was also training members of the US Women’s Olympic Ice Hockey team. It seemed all of the female athletes I worked with attempted to use steady state cardio work as a weight loss or weight maintenance vehicle. I was diametrically opposed to this idea as I felt that steady state cardiovascular work undermined the strength and power work we were doing in the weightroom. My policy became “intervals only” if you wanted to do extra work. I did not do this as a fat loss strategy but rather as a “slowness prevention” strategy. However, a funny thing happened. The female athletes that we prevented from doing steady state cardiovascular work also began to get remarkably leaner. I was not bright enough to put two and two together until I read the above-mentioned manuals and realized that I was doing exactly what the fat loss experts recommended. We were on a vigorous strength program and we were doing lots of intervals.

With that said, the focus of this article will be not why, as we have already heard the why over and over, but how.
How do I actually perform HIIT?

To begin we need to understand exactly what interval training is? In the simplest sense, interval training is nothing more than a method of exercise that uses alternating periods of work and rest. The complicated part of interval training may be figuring out how to use it. How much work do I do? How hard should I do it? How long should I rest before I do it again?

Interval training has been around for decades. However, only recently have fitness enthusiasts around the world been awakened to the value. The recent popularity of interval training has even given it a new name in the literature. Interval training is often referred to as High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT), and it is now the darling of the fat loss and conditioning worlds. Truth is, you can also do low intensity interval training. In fact most people should not start with HIIT but LIIT. HIIT may make you vomit if you don’t work into it.


Research Background


In case you have been in a cave for the last decade let’s quickly review some research. A recent study, done in Canada at McMaster University and often referenced as the Gibala Study after lead researcher Martin Gibala, compared 20 minutes of high intensity interval training, consisting of a 30 second sprint followed by a four minute rest, with 90 to 120 minutes in the target heart rate zone. The result was amazing. Subjects got the same improvement in oxygen utilization from both programs. What is more amazing is that the 20 minute program only requires about two minutes and 30 seconds of actual work.

A second study that has become known as the Tabata study again shows the extreme benefits of interval training. Tabata compared moderate intensity endurance training at about 70 percent of VO2 max to high intensity intervals done at 170 percent of VO2 max. Tabata used a unique protocol of 20 seconds work to 10 seconds rest done in seven to eight bouts. This was basically a series of 20 second intervals performed during a four minute span. Again, the results were nothing short of amazing. The 20/10 protocol improved the VO2 max and the anaerobic capabilities more than the steady state program.

Further evidence for the superiority of higher intensity work can be found in the September/October 2006 issue of the ACSM Journal. Dr. David Swain stated “running burns twice as many calories as walking.” This is great news for those who want to lose body fat. I am not a running advocate, but we can put to rest another high intensity (running) versus low intensity (walking) debate.

Do the math. Swain states that a 136 pound person walking will burn 50 cal/mile and proportionally more as the subject’s weight increases. In other words, a 163 pound person would weigh 20 percent more and, as a result, burn 20 percent more calories. This means that expenditure goes from 50 to 60 calories, also a 20 percent increase. Swain goes on to state that running at seven mph burns twice as many calories as walking at four mph. This means a runner would burn 100 calories in roughly eight and one half minutes or about 11 calories a minute. The walker at four miles per hour would burn 50 calories in 15 minutes (the time it would take to walk a mile at four MPH). That’s less than four calories per minute of exercise. Please understand that this is less a testament for running and more a testament for high intensity work versus low intensity work. More intensity equals greater expenditure per minute.

Interval Training Methods

There are two primary ways to performing interval training. The first is the conventional Work to Rest method. This is the tried and true method most people are familiar with. The Work to Rest method uses a set time interval for the work period and a set time interval for the rest period. Ratios are determined, and the athlete or client rests for generally one, two or three times the length of the work interval before repeating the next bout. The big drawback to the Work to Rest method is that time is arbitrary. We have no idea what is actually happening inside the body. We simply guess. In fact, for many years, we have always guessed as we had no other “measuring stick.”


Heart Rate Method


With the mass production of low cost heart rate monitors, we are no longer required to guess. The future of interval training lies with accurate, low cost heart rate monitors. We are no longer looking at time as a measure of recovery, as we formerly did in our rest to work ratios. We are now looking at physiology. What is important to understand is that heart rate and intensity are closely related. Although heart rate is not a direct and flawless measure of either intensity or recovery status, it is far better than simply choosing a time interval to rest. To use the heart rate method, simply choose an appropriate recovery heart rate. In our case, we use 60 percent of theoretical max heart rate. After a work interval of a predetermined time or distance is completed, the recovery is simply set by the time it takes to return to the recovery heart rate. When using HR response, the whole picture changes. Initial recovery in well conditioned athletes and clients is often rapid and shorter than initially thought. In fact, rest to work ratios may be less than 1-1 in the initial few intervals. An example of a sample workout using the heartrate method for a well-conditioned athlete or client is show below.

Interval 1 - Work 60 sec rest 45 sec
Interval 2 - Work 60 sec rest 60 sec
Interval 3 - Work 60 sec rest 75 sec
Interval 4 - Work 60 sec rest 90 sec

*In a conventional 2-1, time based program the rest period would have been too long for the first three intervals, rendering them potentially less effective. The reverse may be true in a de-conditioned athlete or client. I have seen young, de-conditioned athletes need rest up to eight times as long as the work interval. In fact, we have seen athletes who need two minutes rest after a 15 second interval. In the heartrate method the rest times gradually get longer. Th first interval is 1-.75 while the last interval is 1 to 1.5,


The Problem with Formulas


At least 70 percent of the population does not fit into our age-old theoretical formulas. The 220 minus age formula is flawed on two key points: it doesn’t fit a significant portion of the population, and it is not based on research. Even the developer of the now-famous formula admits that his thoughts were taken out of context. The more accurate method is called the Heart Rate Reserve Method or Karvonen formula.

Karvonen Formula

(Max HR- Resting HR) x %+ RHR= THR
Ex- (200-60) x.8 +60 = 172

The key to the Karvonen formula is that it looks at larger measures of fitness by incorporating the resting heart rate and is therefore less arbitrary. However, the two twenty minus age formula will suffice for establishing recovery hearrates.

Interval Training Basics

The longer the interval, the shorter the rest period as a percentage of the interval. In other words, short intervals have a high muscular demand and will require longer rests when viewed as a percentage of the interval. Fifteen second intervals will need at least a 2-1 rest to work ration.

Three to one will work better for beginners.

Interval Rest Recommendations ( Work to Rest Based)
15 sec. Beginners at least 45 sec (3-1), more advanced 30 sec (2-1)
30 sec. Rest 1:00 to 1:30 (3-1 or 2-1)
1:00. Rest 1:00- 2:00 (2-1 or 1-1)

Just remember, as the intervals get longer, the recovery time, as it relates to the interval, may not need to be as long. In other words, a fifteen second sprint may require 30-45 seconds rest but a two minute interval may only need to be followed by a two minute rest.
Aerobic Intervals?

The biggest benefit of interval training is that you can get a tremendous aerobic workout without the boredom of long steady state bouts of exercises. In fact as the Gibala study demonstrated, you can get superior benefits for both fitness and fat loss by incorporating interval training. If the heart rate is maintained above the theoretical 60 percent threshold proposed for aerobic training, then the entire session is both aerobic and anaerobic. This is why my athletes do almost no “conventional” aerobic training. All of our aerobic work is a by-product of our anaerobic work. My athletes or clients can get their heart rate in the recommended aerobic range for 15 to 20 minutes, yet in some cases, they do only three to minutes minutes of actual work.

Modes of Interval Training

Although most people visualize interval training as a track and field concept, our preferred method of interval training is the stationary bike. Although I think running is the theoretical “best” mode of training, the facts are clear. Most Americans are not fit enough to run. In fact, statistics estimate that 60 percent of those who begin a running program will be injured. In a fitness or personal training setting, that is entirely unacceptable. Females, based on the genetics of the female body (wider hips, narrower knees) are at potentially even greater risk. Physical therapist Diane Lee says it best in her statement, “You can’t run to get fit. You need to be fit to run.”

Interval training can be done on any piece of equipment. However, the most expeditious choice in my opinion will be a dual action bike like the Schwinn AirDyne. The bike allows, in the words of performance enhancement expert Alwyn Cosgrove, “maximum metabolic disturbance with minimal muscular disruption.” In other words, you can work really hard and not injure yourself on a stationary bike.

Fit individuals can choose any mode they like. However, the bike is the best and safest choice. In my mind, the worst choice might be the elliptical trainers. Charles Staley, another noted training expert, has a concept I believe he calls the 180 Principle. Staley advocates doing exactly the opposite of what you see everyone else in the gym doing. I’m in agreement. Walking on a treadmill and using an elliptical trainer seem to be the two most popular modes of training in a gym. My conclusion, supported by Staley’s 180 Principle, is that neither is of much use.

Interval Training Modes in Detail

Running

* Maybe the most effective method but also most likely to cause injury.

* Shuttle runs ( running to a line and back repeatedly) have both high muscular demand (acceleration and deceleration) and high metabolic demand.

* Running is relative. Running straight ahead for 30 seconds is significantly easier than a 30 second shuttle.

* Shuttle runs produce more muscular discomfort due to the repeated acceleration and deceleration.

* Running for the average gym-goers is impractical as a fairly large area is needed.





Part two, next
 
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All About Interval Training by Mike Boyle--Part TWO

Treadmill Running

* A close second to ground based running in both effectiveness and unfortunately injury potential.

* Getting on and off a moving treadmill is an athletic skill and can result in serious injury. Therefore, treadmill interval running is probably not for the average personal training client.

* Treadmill speeds are deceiving. For example, 10 MPH is only a six minute mile yet can feel very fast. However, 10 MPH is not a difficult pace for intervals for a well conditioned athlete.

* High quality interval treadmills should be able to go to 15 MPH.

* For treadmill running, first practice the skill of getting on and off the moving treadmill ( author assumes no responsibility for those thrown on the floor attempting this. Do not try this in a normal health club where the treadmills are packed in like sardines. You must have room to fall off without striking an immovable object).

Additional Treadmill Drawbacks

* Lack of true active hip extension may under train the hamstrings.
* In treadmill running, the belt moves, you just stay airborne. Treadmill times do not translate well to running on the ground. This may be due to lack of ground contact time.

Treadmill Recommendations

* Time based. Try 15 seconds on with 45 seconds off at 7 MPH and 5% incline . For safety, decrease speed and increase incline.
* Heartrate based ( max HR of 200 used for example). Try a 15 second sprint at 7/5 and simply rest until the heartrate returns to 120 beats per minute. Rest is rest, don’t walk or jog or your heartrate will lower slowly.

Stationary Bike

* Dual action bikes like the Airdyne produces a higher HR. This is due to the combined action of the arms and legs. There is no better affordable option than the AirDyne. Although they require periodic maintenance they are the perfect interval tool as they do not need any adjustments to belts or knobs when interval training. The fan is an accommodating resistance device. This means that the harder you push the more resistance you get back. If you have large fan AirDynes ( insert photo and link) purchase and install windscreens. Most athletes and clients dislike the large fan AirDynes as they are unable to work up a sweat without a windscreen.

* This is probably the best “safe” tool.
* Requires limited skill.
* Limited potential for overuse injury.

Stationary Bike Recommendations

* Same time recommendations as for the treadmill. For the AirDyne, set the top display to Level. For a well-conditioned male a 15 second sprint should be level 12-15. Do not go all out as this will seriously undermine the ability to repeat additional intervals. Well-conditioned female athletes will be Level 8-10 for 15 seconds. Levels should be adjusted down for fitness level and up for body size. Larger athletes or clients will find the bike easier. Large fan AirDynes ( older models) will have slightly different work levels than the newer smaller fan models ( insert photo and link).

Slideboard

* Slideboards ( add link) provide the best “bang for the buck” after the AirDyne. However, in a fitness setting there is a skill requirement. Clients must be warned that they may fall and potentially be injured. This may sound stupid but be sure to inform the client that the board is slippery. I can’t tell you how many clients have stepped on a slideboard and remarked “this is slippery”. Remember what they say about assuming.

* The slideboard provides added the benefits of a standing position and getting hip ab and adductor work.

* Slideboards are also great for groups. No adjustment are needed, you just need extra booties. We order 4 pair for every board.

* Safe in spite of “experts.” Some so-called experts have questioned the effect of the slideboard on the knees however, there is nothing more than the anecdotal evidence of a few writers to support this theory.


Climbers and Ellipticals


* The key to using any climbing device is to keep the hands and arms off of the equipment. This is critical. Just put a heartrate monitor on and keep the hands of and watch the heartrate skyrocket. If clients complain about lack of balance, slow down the machine and develop the balance but, don’t allow them to hold on.

* The StepMill is the least popular, and as Staley points out, the most effective. Think 180 again. If it’s popular, it’s probably not good.

* Conventional Stairclimbers are easier to abuse than the StepMill. Many users ramp up the speed while allowing the arms to do the majority of the work. As we mentioned before, keep your hands off the rails.

* The elliptical machine is most popular because it is easiest. This is nothing more than human nature at work. Discourage your clients from using an elliptical trainer. If they insist, let them do it on their off days.

Research continues to mount that interval training may improve fitness better than steady state work. The big key is not what to do any more but, how to do it. For maximum effect, get a hearrate monitor and go to work.

One warning. Deconditioned clients may need three weeks to a month of steady work to get ready to do intervals. This is OK. Don’t kill a beginner with interval training. Begin with a quality strength program and some steady state cardiovascular work. The only good use for steady state work in my mind is preparing an athlete or client for the intervals to come.

References

1. Resistance Exercise Reverses Aging in Human Skeletal Muscle.” Simon Melov, Mark Tarnopolsky, Kenneth Beckman, Krysta Felkey and Alan Hubbard PLoS ONE 2(5): e465. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.
2. “Short Term Sprint Interval Versus Traditional Endurance Training: Similar Initial Adaptations in Human Skeletal Muscle and Exercise Performance Journal of Physiology Sept 2006, Vol 575 Issue 3.
3. Effects of moderate-intensity endurance and high-intensity intermittent training on anaerobic capacity and VO2max. Tabata I, Nishimura K, Kouzaki M, Hirai Y, Ogita F, Miyachi M, Yamamoto K. Department of Physiology and Biomechanics, National Institute of Fitness and Sports, Kagoshima Prefecture, Japan.
4. September/October ACSM Health and Fitness Journal. Dr. David Swain Moderate or Vigorous Intensity Exercise: What Should We Prescribe?

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Best wishes,

Chillen
 
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Thank you for your kind words. I owe more to the time taken to educate myself, then the time spent carrying out functions of nutrition and fitness training. Education and modifying it to my particulars just allowed the functions of nutrition and fitness training to become practical.



Would you happen to have a current pic? I would like to see it. You can post it here if you wish to. What do you think your current level of BF % is. And, lastly, what are your personal goals? Are you currently happy (or content if you will) with your physique, but want to drop a few pounds (percents ) of BF, to reveal the Ab core better, or improve it?

If this sort of narrows it down, then we can address this, once you show a pic, and answer some basic questions.



The main importance is one's "overall nutrition", speaking in terms of calories, macro nutrients, and in some cases careful timing and consumption of food and macro nutrients within a 24 hour period, and its associated trend.




Solving the Pre and Post Workout Nutrition Puzzle, John Berardi:

John Berardi - Solving the Post Workout Puzzle Part I


John Berardi - Solving the Post Workout Puzzle - Part II


Take time to read the above, and if you want specific items of food, for this period, I will assist you with this.

Additionally, (dependent) on your answers, I will also assist you in lowering your BF, if this is what you want to do with your present physique.

I will simply do what I can to help you.


Best regards,

Chillen

I never ever thought I would get to the point of posting pics of myself, I'm just not very secure with my looks. I had considerable weight issues as a child along with all the mocking and some of that sticks with you. But, if it is going to help, here ya go.

Basically, I'd like to lower my BF a little. According to a cheapo set of calipers, I am around 14%. I'd also like to add some more size specifically to my chest.

My main concern is that my working out right when I wake up is not going to give me optimum results. If there is anything I should be eating/drinking prior to training that would help, I'd like to know your thoughts.

I read your articles, thanks. I searched Berardi's site for his thoughts on pre-workout nutrition but didn't find anything.

All your help is appreciated. :)
 
My wife is awesome and a wise woman. LOL

We were watching this educational exercise program on TV, and the woman describing exercises and some dietary approaches, was well, gorgeous, and she looked at me, and my face and said:

"Realistically, the eyes are tiny tiny tiny muscles. I don't care how much you're moving them around, that's not going to burn many calories"

:yelrotflmao:

I will answer your post, in a few, Russ :)


Best regards,

Chillen
 
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February 22, 2009: "Thoughts for the Day"

This is a VERY GOOD article for those interested in fat loss.


Insulin Sensitivity and Fat Loss

(Written by Lyle McDonald)

Over the years, bodybuilding nutrition has divided itself into three fairly distinct categories (I’m going to leave out the ones I consider voodoo nonsense) which are high-carb/low-fat, moderate carb/moderate fat, and low-carbohydrate. Low carb-diets can be further subdivided into high or low fat as well as cyclical or non-cyclical. I discuss each in more detail in Comparing the Diets.

In theory, you can make arguments for or against any of these approaches in terms of superiority. In the real world, it’s not quite that simple. You can always find folks (and this is true whether they are bodybuilders or just general dieters) who either succeeded staggeringly well or failed miserably on one or another approaches.

Before going on, I want to mention that protein recommendations tend not to vary that significantly between diets and most of the arguments tend to revolve around the varying proportions of carbohydrate and fats in the diet and that’s what I’ll be focusing on here. Simply, I don’t consider low-protein fat loss diets in the equation at all for the simple fact that they don’t work for anybody but the extremely obese. Any dieting bodybuilder or athlete needs 1-1.5 g/lb lean body mass of protein on a diet. Possibly more under certain circumstances.

My general experience has been that individuals who respond very well to high-carbohydrate/lower fat diets tend to do very poorly on low-carb/higher-fat diets. They feel terrible (low energy and a mental fog that never goes away), don’t seem to lean out very effectively and it just doesn’t work.

This cuts both ways: folks who don’t respond well to higher carbs do better by lowering carbs and increasing dietary fat. Sometimes that means a moderate carb/moderate fat diet, sometimes it means a full blown ketogenic diet. I should also note that some people seem to do just as well on one diet as another.

Some of this may simply be related to adherence although this tends to be less of an issue in bodybuilders (who take obsessiveness to a new level). Carb-based diets make some people hungry even if they follow all the ‘rules’; so they eat more and don’t lose fat effectively. For many of those people, reducing carb intake allows better calorie control in the long-term. People who hate moderation tend to like cyclical ketogenic diets, they can handle no-carbs during the week and massive carb-ups on the weekend; moderate carbs drive them crazy.

But how does all of the above help the neophyte dieter looking to diet down. Put differently, how can someone know ahead of the fact what diet might be optimal for them? Current research is starting to explore a link between diet and genetics and suggesting biological differences in how people respond to diet; that might explain some of the real-world results I described above.

With regards to fat intake, studies have identified what researches call low and high-fat phenotypes (phenotype is just a technical word for the interaction between your genetics and your environment) (1). Some people appear to be better able to increase fat burning in response to higher fat intakes; they stay lean in the face of such an intake. Others, however, do no such thing. Other aspects of metabolism and appetite were associated with being either a high- or low-fat phenotype.

Unfortunately, no practical way of determining which one you might be ever came around. It was also never exclusively determined if the effect was due to inherent biology or simply adaptation to a habitual diet. But the point still stands, biologically, some people seem better able to increase fat oxidation in response to higher fat intakes than others. I think this goes part of the way to explaining the response (good or bad) to high-fat ketogenic diets. People who upregulate fat oxidation well tend to thrive on them; people who don’t just get bloated and don’t lose fat well.

More recently, an interaction between diet effectiveness and both insulin sensitivity and insulin secretion after a meal has been proposed (2). Noting that all of the research to date has been on obese individuals (not dieting bodybuilders), I still think it explains some of what is going on. As well as allowing us to predict ahead of time which diet someone might do best on.

A Very Brief Primer on Insulin Secretion and Sensitivity


To understand the research I want to talk about next, I need to briefly discuss two different but somewhat related aspects of insulin metabolism: insulin sensitivity/resistance and insulin secretion.

As I imagine all of the readers of this know, insulin is a storage hormone released in response to eating with carbohydrates having the largest impact on insulin secretion, protein having the second greatest and fat having little to no impact on insulin secretion. Insulin sensitivity refers to how well or poorly the body responds to the hormone insulin. Individuals who are insulin resistant tend to have higher baseline insulin levels because the body is releasing more in response to try and overcome the resistance.

And while a great majority of insulin resistance is determined by lifestyle (training and diet play a huge role, as does body fatness), so do genetics. At the same bodyfat level, insulin sensitivity can vary nearly 10 fold for genetic reasons. So it’s possible that even lean athletes and bodybuilders could have some degree of genetic insulin resistant (I’ll talk about how to determine this at the end of the article). As it turns out, individuals also differ in how much or how little insulin they release following a standardized meal; some people release more insulin than others in response to a meal. While this can be related to baseline insulin sensitivity, it doesn’t have to be.

It turns out that both issue relate to fat/weight gain or loss (2). In contrast to what is generally believed, good overall insulin sensitivity tends to correlate with weight/fat gain and insulin resistance is thought to be an adaptation to prevent further fat/weight gain. However, some research suggests that a tendency to release too much insulin in response to feeding may predispose people towards weight/fat gain. One huge confound in all of this, mind you, is that high insulin secretion tends to make people eat more. Studies of diabetics find that decreasing insulin secretion with drugs tends to cause a spontaneously lower food intake (2).

The Impact of Insulin Sensitivity or Insulin Secretion on Response to Different Diets

While the research is in its infancy, there have been studies examining the weight loss response relative to either insulin sensitivity or insulin secretion. For the most part, no major difference in terms of weight loss has been found in subjects with different insulin sensitivities (2). However, at least one study found that the specific diet given interacted with baseline insulin sensitivity to determine the magnitude of weight loss (3). In that study, obese women with either high or low insulin sensitivity were placed on either a high carb (60% carb, 20% fat) or low carb (40% carb, 40% fat) diets.

So there were four groups: high carb/insulin sensitive, high carb/insulin resistant, low carb/insulin sensitive, low carb/insulin resistant. The results were intriguing: insulin sensitive women on the high carb diet lost nearly double the weight as insulin sensitive women on the low-carb diet. Similarly, insulin resistant women lost twice the weight on the low-carb diet as on the high carb diet. Unfortunately, it’s not clear what caused the divergent results. The researchers mentioned a gene called FOXC2 which is involved in energy expenditure and found that it was upregulated in the individuals who responded best to diet; further research into this topic is needed (3).

Even less data relates to insulin secretion status and diet although a recent study suggests that it may (4). In that study, subjects were given either a high glycemic load (60% carbs, 20% protein, 20% fat) or a low GL diet (40% carbs, 30% protein, 30% fat diet) and weight loss was examined relative to baseline insulin secretion. In that study, subjects with high insulin secretion lost more weight on the low glycemic load diet while subjects in the low insulin secretion group lost slightly more on the high glycemic load diet.

Getting to the Point

Overall, I think the limited data available on both high and low fat phenotypes as well as how individuals with differing baseline insulin sensitivity/secretion respond to diets supports the observations occurring in the real world in terms of both subjective feelings on a given diet as well as the weight/fat loss response. So how can we put this to use?

Unfortunately, there’s no easy way to see if you’re a high or low fat phenotype so I’ll focus on insulin sensitivity. There are a lot of complicated and impractical ways to determine insulin sensitivity and insulin secretion. All involve blood work and looking at either baseline insulin or blood glucose or how insulin changes in response to a meal.

However, in practice, there are signs as to whether you have good insulin sensitivity or not and possibly whether you over-secrete insulin.

Here’s two very simple questions to ask yourself regarding your response to diet.

1. On high-carbohydrate intakes, do you find yourself getting pumped and full or sloppy and bloated? If the former, you have good insulin sensitivity; if the latter, you don’t.

2. When you eat a large carbohydrate meal, do you find that you have steady and stable energy levels or do you get an energy crash/sleep and get hungry about an hour later? If the former, you probably have normal/low levels of insulin secretion; if the latter, you probably tend to over-secrete insulin which is causing blood glucose to crash which is making you sleepy and hungry.

I consider it most likely that superior bodybuilders couple excellent insulin sensitivity with low insulin secretion in response to a meal. This would tend to explain why bodybuilders have often gravitated towards high carb/low-fat diets and been successful on them.

At the same time, mediocre bodybuilders frequently get less than stellar results from that same diet. Lowering carbs and increasing dietary fat seems to be more effective in that case some of the low-carb bulking strategies out there probably work better for those individuals. The same goes for fat loss. Cyclical low-carb diets such as my Ultimate Diet 2.0 or the more generic cyclical ktogenic diet (CKD) described in my first book The Ketogenic Diet allow such individuals to briefly enjoy the benefits of heightened muscular insulin sensitivity.

Putting it Into Practice

If you have good insulin sensitivity and low insulin secretion, odds are you will do well with a traditional bodybuilding type of diet which means high protein, highish carbs and low fat. Let’s say you’re consuming 1 g/lb of protein at 12 cal/lb. That’s 33% protein. If you go to 1.5 g/lb, that’s 50% protein. That leaves you with 50-67% of your calories to allocate between fat and carbohydrate. 15-20% dietary fat is about the lower limit as it becomes impossible to get sufficient essential fatty acids below that intake level. So, at 1 g/lb, your diet will be roughly 33% protein, 47-52% carbs (call it 45-50%) and 15-20% fat. If protein goes to 50% of the total, carbs should come down to 35% of the total with 15% fat.

If you’re not insulin sensitive and/or have high insulin secretion, a diet lower in carbs and higher in fat (don’t forget that protein can raise insulin as well) is a better choice. Assuming, again, 40% protein, a good starting place might be 40% protein, 20-30% carbs and 20-30% fat. A further shift to a near ketogenic (or cyclical ketogenic) diet may be necessary, 40% protein, 10-20% carbs and the remainder fat may be the most effective. If protein is set higher, up to 50% protein, carbs would be set at 10-20% with the remainder (20-30%) coming from dietary fat.

Summing Up

Hopefully the above has given you some insight into choosing what might be an optimal fat loss diet without having to go through so much tedious trial and error. However, please don’t treat the above as more than a starting point. Adjustments to diet in terms of calories or nutrient intake should always be based on real world fat loss. You should be tracking your fat loss every 2 weeks (4 at the most); if you’re not losing at a reasonable rate (1-1.5 lbs fat loss/week), you need to adjust something.

Bio: Lyle McDonald received his BS in physiology from UCLA in 1993 and has been obsessed with all aspects of human performance (training, nutrition, supplements) since then. He has written extensively about fat loss, especially low carbohydrate dieting. He is currently working on a book covering all aspects of protein nutrition for athletes as well as an approach to getting rid of stubborn body fat.

References:

1. Blundell JE, Cooling J. High-fat and low-fat (behavioural) phenotypes: biology or environment? Proc Nutr Soc. 1999 Nov;58(4):773-7.
2. Pittas AG, Roberts SB. Dietary composition and weight loss: can we individualize dietary prescriptions according to insulin sensitivity or secretion status? Nutr Rev. 2006 Oct;64(10 Pt 1):435-48. Review.
3. Cornier MA et. al. Insulin sensitivity determines the effectiveness of dietary macronutrient composition on weight loss in obese women. Obes Res. 2005 Apr;13(4):703-9.
4. Pittas AG et. al. A low-glycemic load diet facilitates greater weight loss in overweight adults with high insulin secretion but not in overweight adults with low insulin secretion in the CALERIE Trial. Diabetes Care. 2005 Dec;28(12):2939-41.

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A very good article, by a person I respect much. Lyle, Rocks-Out! :)


Best wishes

Chillen
 
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I was assisting another forum member (Marko, who I know real well), and I think this post I made can assist some others to APPROXIMATE (emphasis), there LBM and amount of fat tissue they are carrying currently, and assist in estimating some target weights as determined through the body fat percentage wanted.

i know i ca`nt pose.
i know my chest is lacking(another 15-20 lb cut should sort that)

i`m at 180lbs now trying to get to 165 very slowly.

i guess my question is how do i look at this moment,and yes my bf estimate would be great.

well take the piss Flying Free (at least i`m not in a public toilet lol)




Marko:

I have always used DEXA to determine my personal body fat percentages. But, I just don't do it, because I am curious. I do it because it can tell a principled personal story, and how to handle things in the future with diet and fitness, and in a lot cases, how to approach myself. It can be quite forthcoming, and important.

Short and sweet:

Since obviously I cannot use DEXA, or a pair of calipers and reach through the monitor, and start pinching "ya @ss" over the internet :), let's say you handed me crystal ball, and it told me what your approximated BF was. :)

Lets say your BF is approximated to be (exampled to): 12-14%, at your stated 180 lbs.

And we will used the low end number of 12% to work with.

To approximate fat pounds, we take the 12%, and change it to a decimal number.

Such as: 180 X 0.12, which gives us: 21.6 pounds (fat pounds approximation)

The next step is to subtract the fat pounds from your 180 pounds of total weight:

Such as: 180 - 21.6, which gives us: 158.4 (LBM approximation)

Using these approximated numbers gives us: 21.6 pounds of fat, and 158.4 pounds of Lean Body Mass.

If at this point, one is basically satisfied with their build (muscle mass, so-to-speak), this tells a very informative and important story.

One could very easily develop a weight training program where the point is to "attempt to maintain" their muscle mass (assuming one has a history, and is pumping some iron during this time), and shift focus primarily on burning the fat off. Nonetheless, understanding there will be some muscle tissue loss, because "assuming there is not" is a bad assumption.

The following assumes no LBM loss (muscle tissue):

Let's continue:

Marko's Goal Weight = Current Lean Body Mass / (1-Goal Body Fat percentage as a decimal)

Let's say, Marko, you want to get to say 8% Body fat. The Calculation would be something like this:

You goal Body Fat Percentage in Decimal: 0.08
You approximated LBM: 154.8lbs
Fat pounds: 21.6

Marko's Goal Weight then = 154.8 / (1 - 0.08) = 154.8/0.92 = 168.26 lbs, which assumes no loss/gain in LBM.

Keeping your LBM (equal, minor), you would have to drop another approximate 12 pounds to reach the approximated 8% BF, again keeping LBM equal.

Which makes your target weight of 165, very feasible. Additionally, your approximated tissue loss (with your first post) is fairly accurate as well.

Hypothetically, keeping things equal, 165 could bring you to about 8%.

You will be surprised, in how muscle looks, when you drop in BF. If this is what you want, then go get it.

Now, there must be some talk on the diet.......to get you there.


Best wishes,

Chillen

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Hey Chillen.

Ive been having indigestion non stop for about a week now which seemed to start just after taking medication for the flu. Im going to go to the doctors on Monday if it doesnt get better by then, but i was wondering if you had any thoughts or ideas to combat this. Its weird cuz i had the same problem about a year or so ago, but it went away. Ive been trying to chew my food better and sit up straighter when im eating etc, but it doesnt seem to be helping. Anyway just a shot in the dark.

At work i get a 10 minute break and ive been eating a tuna or turkey sandwhich with milk and trail mix, then going right back to work which im thinking isnt the best for digestion since my work is like working out. I would never eat a solidmeal, then train. So i was considering taking a banana and a protein shake, but im not sure how good of an idea it is to mix a shake at 4:30, leave it in the fridge in a stainless steal thermos until 8pm, then drink it.

Any thoughts or ideas would be very much appreciated.

The best advice I can give you, is to see the Doctor on Monday, and advise him/her of your dietary habits, and your problem, and let a medical professional determine the correct course of action (if any).

Be specific on when you noticed the problem (i.e. taking your flu medications).

Play it safe. Better safe then sorry then taking advice (from anyone on the forum) who is not a medical professional.


Okay?


best wishes,

Chillen
 
Thanks for the response, but i seem to have fixed the problem.

First i started eating a small amount of yogurt before meals for a few days and it started helping immediately. Im now 95% symptom free. I dont know for sure, but im thinking that the flu medication (probably an antibiotic) killed the healthy bacteria in my stomach that aids in digestion and the yogurt helped replace it. Im no doctor but thats my best guess. I also started drinking more water, added more fiber to my diet and replaced my normal work meal with a banana and a milk and whey shake.
 
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