Roman Polanski

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Typhon

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I'm not sure if this thread is a good idea with it being such an emotive subject but the issue of Roman Polanski's arrest, and the reaction to it, confuses the hell out of me and I wondered what the 'average American' thought about this.

OK, so the details are, Roman Polanski is arrested in the 70's for the drugging and raping of a 13 year old girl. She claimed she tried to get away but was too drunk and drugged to fight back.

Polanski is arrested and convicted after pleading guilty to rape (I don't know if he admitted to drugging the girl but she was drunk). Before being sentenced he flee's the country to escape jail. He later loses a civil prosecution for raping and sodomising a child and is ordered to pay $500k which he avoids paying for at least 10 years. Polanski is finally trapped and held in Switzerland ready to face trial about 30 years later.

Since then, teh media has been flooded with the elite of the movie world coming out in support of the convicted rapist saying that his arrest is awful thing and portraying Polanski as a victim of persecution. Whoopie Goldberg even went as far as to say she didn't think it was 'rape-rape'.

This is what I can't understand, how do you defend the rapist of a 13y/o girl?
I can understand the Michael Jackson supporters, he paid off a mother to withdraw charges but he was found innocent in the trials he did face. Polanski however has confessed and was found guilty.
Do these defenders of his think that old crimes should be forgotten?

Oh, and of course when you consider the reaction to Mel Gibson's anti-semetic rant that virtually killed his career as Hollywood turned their backs on him it makes their defence of a convicted child rapist seem more bazarre.

Anyone here have any opinion on this? Are there any reasonable arguements in his defence?
 
There should not even be a trial for scum like these ! The only reason they walk the streets as long as they do is because of the $$$ they got.
Being a father of a daughter, I have very strong/angry feelings toward cases like this.
But youll see, because of the $$$ like I said before, scum will walk again. They always do, trial or not. Its a historical fact that needs to be changed !

Ya got me fired up on this one Typh !!!
 
sometimes people just need to have a person like johnny walk up and give them a spinning backfist. That would be perfect for Whoopie and the others if they are saying stuff liek that.

IT'S CRAP!

I hear things are way worse in the UK tho
 
johnny83 said:
There should not even be a trial for scum like these ! The only reason they walk the streets as long as they do is because of the $$$ they got.
Being a father of a daughter, I have very strong/angry feelings toward cases like this.
But youll see, because of the $$$ like I said before, scum will walk again. They always do, trial or not. Its a historical fact that needs to be changed !

Ya got me fired up on this one Typh !!!
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Hahaha, I know what you mean, my daughter is 5 and the idea that some guy could want to rape her in just 8 years time makes me mad. But what makes me even more angry is the number of people who have defended him and even critisized the US government for arresting him.

Not sure if the support he's got is down to money this time though, I think people have a problem disconnecting genius from evil.

In one of our papers last week it featured a headline article about Michael Jackson calling Hitler a genius and great performer. The journalist was trying to rip MJ apart for making those comments but the truth is Hitler was an amazing public speaker and a bit of a genius too, but that didn't stop him from being possibly the most evil man to have ever lived. The thing is people can't seem to accept that an evil person can create a thing of genius/beauty. (MJ seemed to benefit from that himself)
 
Typhon said:
Hahaha, I know what you mean, my daughter is 5 and the idea that some guy could want to rape her in just 8 years time makes me mad. But what makes me even more angry is the number of people who have defended him and even critisized the US government for arresting him.

Not sure if the support he's got is down to money this time though, I think people have a problem disconnecting genius from evil.

In one of our papers last week it featured a headline article about Michael Jackson calling Hitler a genius and great performer. The journalist was trying to rip MJ apart for making those comments but the truth is Hitler was an amazing public speaker and a bit of a genius too, but that didn't stop him from being possibly the most evil man to have ever lived. The thing is people can't seem to accept that an evil person can create a thing of genius/beauty. (MJ seemed to benefit from that himself)
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My daughter is also 5. Your right though, its like once a person acheives star status, they got the rest of the glams and the media to back them up. Making them much more influential on lettin em off with a slap on the wrist. Not to change the subject, but look at OJ's case back in the 90's. He gets away with what I beleive he did scot free, but is locked up on robbery charges ?!?
 
street justice i say. There used to be alot more of that, before all the cameras were put up everywhere.

Is it like that in London too Typhon? DO they catch everything on camera?
 
flyinfree said:
street justice i say. There used to be alot more of that, before all the cameras were put up everywhere.

Is it like that in London too Typhon? DO they catch everything on camera?
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It's getting that way, I read about a website that's being launched where people can watch public CCTV and if they catch people breaking crimes they get rewards.

It's being trialled in one small town and obviously the human rights people went nuts over the idea
 
i was teasing about it being worse in the UK. You always target the US as fat sloppy and lacking moral fiber--- and rightfully so in many ways.

but we ain ALL sheeeeyaht :)

I think is is also interesting that internationally it seems peeps know all about us, but we don't seem to take an interest in them much.

then again, my world is work, playing outside, and this board. And sometimes the yahoo homepage. SO I am pretty UN-informed.
 
The reason it has become a controversy is that the victim has said she wises the charges to be dropped, and that she has forgiven him, so some people feel that they are not "fighting for the victim".

PersonallY I think if you "do the crime, you do the time" and the fact that he ran like a coward, they should just get rid of him. The price of a bullet has gone up, but not that much......
 
flyinfree said:
i was teasing about it being worse in the UK. You always target the US as fat sloppy and lacking moral fiber--- and rightfully so in many ways.
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Do I? Sorry if it seems that way because I've always got on really well with the Americans that I have known.

I do find all the flag loving, 'leaders of the free world' stuff a bit OTT but then again you don't have the negative attitude that the British seem to have. If we could mix our nations into one then I think we'd have the mix right

But fat, yeah, most yanks I've known have been 'big boned' ;)

NoLoveLost said:
The reason it has become a controversy is that the victim has said she wises the charges to be dropped, and that she has forgiven him, so some people feel that they are not "fighting for the victim".

PersonallY I think if you "do the crime, you do the time" and the fact that he ran like a coward, they should just get rid of him. The price of a bullet has gone up, but not that much......
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I think it's weird that she's so OK with it now, but then again she did get a hefty legal settlement and the terms of that agreement have never been made public so maybe she was paid off.

Also, not many people would like the idea of standing up in court and being made to re-live an anal rape experience that you've managed to get past in your life already

But a bullet sounds like a fair penalty for a child rapist, the parents sound always be offered the first shot, I'd miss the head and go straight for the balls
 
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Typhon said:
I think it's weird that she's so OK with it now, but then again she did get a hefty legal settlement and the terms of that agreement have never been made public so maybe she was paid off.

Also, not many people would like the idea of standing up in court and being made to re-live an anal rape experience that you've managed to get past in your life already
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She has probably put it behind her, an as you stated really doesn't want to have to go back there. Can't blame her for that. HOWEVER< that doesn't mean he should get away with it. The fact is he DID it and he should have to face the punishment for it. I don't care if he did it 50 years ago and is on his death bed, doesn't matter, he did it and he should pay.

The only issue I have is it's taken this long to get his sorry a$$ to face the charges.

It's not like this sort of thing doesn't happen all the time. There are many "cold cases" that get solved much later, and the people *still* get punished. In his case it's even worse! He was CONVICTED and he ran!

They should have hunted his sorry a$$ down like a dog, and done away with him.....No sympathy in my corner......
 
Typhon is right for the most part on the big boned statement. For example, when I drop my daughter off at school, I see these young kids between 5-15 that are at least 20-40 lbs. overweight. It saddens me because I know what kind of life theyre in for. Now I know theres medical problems that contribute to some people being overweight. But ya can see them all runnin around like maniacs so you know its probably chalked up to sittin home, playin video games, and eatin junk. I just hope that as they get older that either they or their parents try and do something to help them with obesity.
Sorry to hijack the original topic.
 
Typhon said:
You ropinion is the same as mine NLL but he's had a ton of support which I really can't understand
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Personally I think it is because he is a famous director, and there are a lot of people who seem to think that *just* because someone is famous, you should give them more "rope".

I think there are also a few celebs, who are just trying to get themselves in the lime light anyway they can. Hot topic? They have an opinion one it...

You got to remember, celebs are attention whores, or they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. Actors who are *real* actors...the ones who do it because they just *love* doing it, stay out of the lime light. Look at people like Tom Hanks...Guys got more money than god, and you don't here ANYTHING about him. Look at Ron Howard..same thing.....

You don't hear about an actor unless they are attention whores, and they are the ones who perpetuate this sort of crap. They speak and the media gobbles it up because so many people are nosey.

Celeb or not, they are just people, and if the general public ever accepts that, they will not have the ability to cause this sort of stir in the news. but the public will always "worship" celebs, they are just too stupid to do otherwise.......
 
There are laws against inappropriate behavior with minors and it doesn't matter if they consent or don't want to prosecute. It is the governments job to prtect those who can not protect themselves, which the vast majority of people in this society agree is persons under the age of consent, which 13 is in every juridiction in the USA and probably all of the industrialized countries. So he should be prosecuted and punished now for both the original crime and for running away from the orignial sentence which should put him away for 20+ years, to be served in maxiumum security, since he has proved himself a flight and escape risk, where he can be a large hairy guys bitch. See how he likes being helpless at the mercy of an overwealming oppressor.

Did I hear he or somebody else said that "in Hollywood 13 is NOT REALLY 13"? So just because it is Hollywood they want a different set of rules? Almost as assinine and elitist as Washington, but that is a whole 'nother topic.
 
Dallen said:
Did he make that movie Clueless? Cause that's what I am about this whole matter.
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Dont mean to be a D**K dallen, but read the back story before you reply to a thread like this. Or atleast read the first post.
You will then have a clue.
 
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johnny83 said:
Dont mean to be a D**K dallen, but read the back story before you reply to a thread like this. Or atleast read the first post.
You will then have a clue.
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You're right, but I have a hundred other things to worry about than some guy who raped some girl 30 some years ago and resides on the other end of the country. This is beyond my realm of control.
 
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