Neighbor problem, got an idea...what u think?

yeah, there is always the possibility of the situation to escalate and get potentially dangerous, but from what BSL said, the police come and go, and that suggest it is just a party but not a rowdy one, hence a civil issue. Sure if someone starts to mouth off, throw things, or threaten them, etc... sure it can lead to arrest, etc... But this doesn't sound like the case. From what he states, it simply sounds like a noise ordinance issue at most.

Personally I don't think having a party once or twice a year is really that bad. We do have neighbors who throw a yearly 4th of July party and they invite the whole neighborhood to come. I generally don't attend, but it doesn't bother me that they have it. It's going to be noisy that night regardless.

I think the best thing for BSL to do is simply go talk to them about it nicely. People can surprise you sometimes......:)

Absolutely see your points.

However, it doesnt remove the possibilty the officers were friggen lazy, and didnt apply parts of the law they could have at the time or they may have mediated the problem then without applying the law but the "spirit of the law".

For example, walking up and seeing minors among a ton of alcohol, and smelling alcohol on one they believe to be under age (and subsequently checking their ID), but then doing nothing, but asking them to quiet down.

Sometimes incorporating the "spiriit of the law" (meaning yes, you broke the law, but cut the minor crap out, settle down, so we dont have to come back) can be a good thing to do; however, if this does happen, the officers involved "can" take a potential "liability risk" with no action taken (dependent on what we are speaking about) IF someone gets hurt or the situation escelates later when they could have taken control before. Officers "can" obtain liability for taking action AND for not taking action dependent on what this is.

However, since no one has "absolute" control of the future, they could party again, and become an irritant, and the same or more callers call again complaining. Which in Kansas, the LEO can cite for a House Party on the 2nd and subsquent calls, no matter the disposition of the previous calls.

We have to remember that the caller and the person (s) causing the problem have rights, and IMO, the situation should be difused with this in mind. In Kansas, (say for example), the caller has the "right" to "cite" and make a legal complaint on house parties. Meaning the officer will fill out the citation, and the parties go to court to disolve it---if the complaining party is willing to make a complaint. This option eliminates the possibilty of the complaining party saying "the police did nothing" when its offered and denied.


Best wishes,


Chillen
 
Tell them why you wish for them to turn the music down.

PERFECT.....Dallen, I'm sending you to Iraq & Iran to work-out all the problems and bring peace & harmony to the area. Why didn't I think of this before??? Just go talk to them. What a splendid idea :confused:

Okay, sarcasm aside....been there, done that.....these people are selfish jerks and they just don't care. They figure it's only a couple times per year so F*&K the neighbors if they don't like it. They probably warn the neighbors next to them, but the music blaring in their backyard slams right into my home: my kids can't sleep and my mind won't stop cycling through viscious ideas for hours. What upsets me the most is that they'll turn it down for a while and then crank it right back up again. It's UGLY & DISGUSTING middle-eastern music slamming into my bedroom at 2am, it's just F-in wrong. I don't care if it's once per year: nobody has the right to disturb the neighborhood like that. There ARE sound ordinances and it IS the law; nothing to argue about. They are clearly and LOUDLY violating the law. I know it seems dismissable if it's just occassional, but trust me...when you're sitting there in bed unable to sleep, it's just not something you wanna blow-off....and my 3 young children can't just join the party and roll with it. The term unacceptible comes to mind here.

And it's not just the sleep that night I'm losing....I want to wake up early the next day for a long ride; have you ever tried to do a 3+ hour ride with 3 hours of sleep? It's like a hang-over but without the toxins. It's my life and they don't have the right to steal it from me.

As far as calling the police goes, start documenting it. Religiously.

THen you can call the police and give them exact frequency of this disturbing of the peace situation. That's the advice I've seen other people give to help with these problems.

I like the counter measures you're thinking of too though :)

The last couple times this happened I clearly told the police how they always come out, the music gets turned-down, and then it comes back again and again and again.....and that these guys are waiting out front and can see the police coming.

What it comes down to is simple: the police can only take action if they see the crime when they get there....otherwise, much like in Iraq, they claim to be the victims of some neighbor who alledgedly is just trying to shut down their quiet, peaceful and nice family get together.

Ya know what....I'll tell you something: I have another property across the street and in the back lot I keep a commercial trailer full of insulation material. Technically commercial equipment can't be kept there (residential), so if someone reports me I get an inspection notice (cause I have gates and they need to give me notice) and I just have trailer moved when the inspectors come by....then I move it back. The City's repsonse to the complainer is that they did their inspection and found nothing, and if there's nothing there at the time, that's all they can do. We grew tall tree's, insulated the neighbors home for free and made friends....so we're cool, BUT my point is that the city is relatively ineffective in dealing with these things IF the culprit is clever enough. These middle-east jerks are clever enough to merely put some kids out front to warn of the impending approach of a patrol car: music goes down, cops drives by, music goes up, they (underlined edited by Karky) continue to rock the casbah and I don't sleep. Yeah, well homeboy doesn't take it in the rear and roll with the pain: you step on me and I'm a thorn that you won't forget.

The city & police are ineffectual. Other neighbors have their parties and are reasonable about it...but these sand-jockey's aren't. I'll let them crank it hard until midnight, but after that they need to mellow it out....and they won't.

I've already ordered the parts to create my device. "Counter Measures"....love the term Malkore!!!!!

You know what gets me the most....is that I'm a good neighbor: I keep my house sharp (one of the nicest homes in the neighborhood), I'm cool with everyone and I'm not asking for anything unreasonable. I'm in the "right" and if I had a party with loud music blaring into their bedroom at 2am they'd be upset and think I'm a jerk. Actually, they'd likely figure it's okay cause we have to tolerate them....but I never agreed to a tit-for-tat exchange of abusive acoustic siutations. THEY are in the wrong, they're violating sound ordinances by a large margin and they are the bad guys....and yet you just know they'll think I'm the jerk here.

I'm ordering 2 pain generators to blaze down at them:

115db of pain:

and for good measure:

It's very simple. The 12-volt battery runs the system, it's set on a timer...the unit comes-on at midnight, so until midnight they can ruin everyone's eardrums, but after midnight the circuit goes active. Based on an adjustment (sensitivity) I'll set it so they can enjoy background-level music in their backyard and maybe a hint louder....but when they crank it up and espeically with a heavy bass-beat, my pain generators will switch on and bring the pain.

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Since it's twice a year, when was the last time they did it and when are they up for doing it again?

Perhaps in the next night or two, you might take a bull horn and start sounding it off next to their house?
 
I was thinking about that. Should I just stay quiet and wait for the next party to let them discover what acoustical ear-fu&K they're in for (not if but) when they crank it up late-night again?

Or do I notify the neighbors and them that I've got the system active and they'd be smart to keep their music indoors and/or maintain a reasonable level or else....


My feeling is to stay quiet. They are surrounded by neighbors and the back of their property actually has me and another neighbor along it. If I put the generators towards the center, they won't know whose property the noise is coming from. What's worse, when they turn their music down, the pain generators will also shutdown....so it'll be hard to track. Much like a stubborn dog, they'll just have to learn that LOUD music after 12-midnight will result in louder & offensive sound being directed at them.

Hey, I have an alarm system that is sound-activated...can I help it if their music is so darn loud that it sets-off my system? That would be the flyer I send the neighborhood: please be advised & understand, I recently installed a new security system in my rear warehouse shed...along with infrared sensors and motion sensors, it also has some sound-sensitive sensors and any noise (which just happens to correspond with local sound ordinanaces) over a certain level will result in the system being activated temporarily.

Those neighbors will think I'm a party-pooping jerk, but the rest of the neighborhood will think it's awesome. I'm gonna build it and offer it up on Ebay if things work out right. Do you think I can sell it and advertise it's intended purpose, or do I have to pretend it's just a security system that just so happens to work for "other" purposes?
 
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This could be intensely amusing. Make sure you videotape some reactiosn, somebody could seriously injure themselves in an amusing way that can win you money on some websites (I won't mention them because that might be advertising?).

I seriously want to know what happens.
 
This could be intensely amusing. Make sure you videotape some reactiosn.

There is a 6' concrete block wall between us, on top of that they have a small tennis court so there's chain-link fence that runs another 3' up, and then I have climbing-fig totally covering the entire chain-link. All they'll hear is some horrific noise coming from the general direction and they won't know if it's my property or the guy next to me. The front of our properties are behind gates and both me and my neighbor have video cameras in front of our homes.

I imagine their response will be to figure someone is standing on the other side of the wall turning on & off the pain generators. Just for the record, inside the confines of a car or home the "pain generator" will really hurt your ears, but outside in the open it'll just be a droving annoyance that'll ruin their time. Since they can't scale the wall they'll likely start yelling or take a water hose and spray over the wall to try to wet the person they think is standing there.

If they confront me, I'll just plainly tell them "oh yeah, I bought a device that generates that horrible tone in your direction....it's set to go-off when your sound level violates 52db, which happens to be local sound ordinances; obey the law and we're fine, otherwise we all suffer. Uh, maybe you should consider NOT screwing your neighbors over by blasting your music at 2am."

Parts are on order, but it may be a while before I get my chance to test it out.

It's okay....I made a cute little circuit that senses earthquakes (motion detector) and then turns-on lights throughout the house like emergency lights: I had to wait 7 years before we had a little tremor and my invention was proven. I'm sure we'll get some feedback within a year....be patient my fitness friends. Much like losing weight, it takes time but it'll be oh-so-very worth it.

NBS......LOVE the Mr. Burns pic!!!!!! :D
 
The neighbors behind us had a party last night, they tend to do this about twice per year....the music stays loud and they continue to play it until 2am.

Twice a year? Are you for real? You really have no idea what problem neighbours are. I doubt most people would have a problem with someone having a party once every 6 months; it hardly sounds like a house of hedonism


These people are from the middle East, they're obnoxious, loud & offensive and they don't seem to care about anyone else.

What has their race got to do with anything?
 
BSL, are you suggesting that you can't reason with them because they are from the middle east? You compare going to talk to the neighbours with trying to negotiate for peace in Iraq, those are two very different situations. I realize it was sarcasm, but I don't think you need to make those kinds of comparisons, they can be seen as discriminatory.
 
Get it all on tape so you can look at the nice fanny at the party ;)

But seriously i think this is funny sh1t, i understand how it can piss you off but since its twice a year, personally i wouldnt give a f**k.

It will probably be more hassle trying to stop them, than just letting them get on with it.

I like the devices idea tho LOL.
 
If they confront me, I'll just plainly tell them "oh yeah, I bought a device that generates that horrible tone in your direction....it's set to go-off when your sound level violates 52db, which happens to be local sound ordinances; obey the law and we're fine, otherwise we all suffer. Uh, maybe you should consider NOT screwing your neighbors over by blasting your music at 2am."

Sounds to me like if they confront you, you'll drop to your knees and offer to pleasure them. I thought this thread was a joke until I see you actually ordered parts for some device you'll use 2x per year. Suck it up and deal with it.

You dont know how they would react because you wont go talk to them. So drop the stereotypical bull crap.
 
Sounds to me like if they confront you, you'll drop to your knees and offer to pleasure them. I thought this thread was a joke until I see you actually ordered parts for some device you'll use 2x per year. Suck it up and deal with it.

You dont know how they would react because you wont go talk to them. So drop the stereotypical bull crap.

haha, wow...I didn't expect this from you.
 
Yeah, I don't get what all the fuss is about. It only occurs twice a year. I don't think anyone actually went there and talked to them.

If you start making annoying sound, they might never hear it and you'll end up looking like a fool.

You said you went there and tried to talk to them, but they were annoying. Did you tell them that you had to sleep and that your family wishes to sleep? Perhaps you should gather the support from other neighbors and confront them together and voice the opinion that you wish for them to turn the music down... not off and they can still enjoy their party without causing harm to others.

If I was throwing a party and a cop came by, I would know a neighbor called. I would continue to blast the music only to annoy them and their cowardice in confronting me man-to-man about it. When I was little, I used to blast off firecrackers at 3 am and one time a guy came up and told me that it was super annoying and that he was trying to sleep. I apologized and stopped. Had he came over and started acting or if he started blasting off fireworks, I would up it by a lot and continue to do it throughout the night.

I also suspect that there is racism involved here. The mention that they are middle eastern and on top of that that their music is annoying is hardly worth losing hair over. I mean different culture, different taste. Right now in America, it seems people from the middle east are viewed rather badly. I mean I remember that news story about the nervous middle eastern man on the airplane who had flight scare and it was added by the fact that a woman said he was up to something only because he was from the middle east. Sad. They had to stop the entire flight and seach everythign and the poor man had to be searched and questioned for hours. I suspect you didn't go to your neighbor and talked nicely. Just say, "Hey look, your music is loud. I really don't care about it, I just wish you turn it down some, you don't have to turn it off." Then boom. Nine times out of ten, if you ask nicely, they'll do it.
 
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Okay....first-off, let me retract the ethnic words: all people, any culture and all colors can be obnoxious and offensive...it's not race exclusive. I only meant to note the type of music being played. I've got plenty of good friends who are from the middle-east and believe it or not they're the ones who told me when it comes to late-night party culture, some of the middle-eastern people can run it late into the night and just not care how it affects others. Apologies if humor crossed the line.....

FWIW, most the middle-eastern people living here are here because things didn't work out for them back home. Many have life-threatening stories and can't return home; they aren't here to tell us America sucks, they're here because they faced oppression, racism and other things. Many of my Persian friends denounce what is going on back home. Big discussion, let's not go there. Sorry for the poor analogy.


Sounds to me like if they confront you, you'll drop to your knees and offer to pleasure them. I thought this thread was a joke until I see you actually ordered parts for some device you'll use 2x per year. Suck it up and deal with it.

You dont know how they would react because you wont go talk to them. So drop the stereotypical bull crap.

Tony...I respect you enough to respond your words. I have NO idea why you'd think I'd drop to my knees if they confronted me, that implication is just insulting and I think that was your intent as I may have offended you.

I treat others as I'd like to be treated; if I was throwing a party and, at 2am, a neighbor came by to explain that he and his young kids can't sleep because my music was pounding-in through their closed windows....I'd not only turn the music down (and respect the cops who asked me to as well) but I'd likely apologize to them the next day. I suppose complying with the law and being considerate of others constitutes dropping to your knees?

Secondly, I myself have not gone over there and talked to them....but last year when I was on a fishing-trip and it happened, my wife and two neighbors went over there and they were blown-off. The parents were out of town and the kids couldn't care less. Some days later I went over there (upset about my wife's rude reception) and nobody was home, I left a note asking them to call me...nobody ever did. I spoke with the neighbor who said it was a problem and that "those" people just don't care and are entirely unresponsive to anything but their own interest.

They're violating sound-ordinances, doing the run-around with complying with the police and my whole family and the rest of the neighborhood can't sleep. So it's wrong and it's illegal.....but since it's just twice per year we should just blow it off, right?

Around here neighbors will often give notice that they're having a party AND they generally turn the music down by midnight; everyone is cool about it. These people have the music so loud, with a bass-beat, that even with my windows closed I can FEEL the music....it's well beyond being moderately annoying. I can "suck-up" a lot of things and deal with it.....but this bullsh!t where they're openly toying with the cops and keeping everyone awake, no thanks.


Yeah, I don't get what all the fuss is about. It only occurs twice a year. I don't think anyone actually went there and talked to them..
They've been spoken to, several people have spoken or attempted to contact the people. They don't care.

If you start making annoying sound, they might never hear it and you'll end up looking like a fool. .
Brilliant; if they don't even hear it, then how would I end-up looking like a fool?? Jeez Dallen...wtf is that all about??:confused:

You said you went there and tried to talk to them, but they were annoying. Did you tell them that you had to sleep and that your family wishes to sleep? Perhaps you should gather the support from other neighbors and confront them together and voice the opinion that you wish for them to turn the music down... not off and they can still enjoy their party without causing harm to others..

That's probably what you meant to suggest in the first place, and that's a very reasonable and solid approach. Ya know, my threads are pretty long & detailed but even with such detail I've neglected to mention what I covered above. YES; they've been contacted but much like an alcoholic there's nothing that'll come between them and their parties. They probably figure it's only 2-3 times per year so everyone can suck it up and kiss their asses.

If I was throwing a party and a cop came by, I would know a neighbor called. I would continue to blast the music only to annoy them and their cowardice in confronting me man-to-man about it.

Oh really?....maybe your neighbor is in their pajamas and in bed at 2am and they don't feel like getting up, getting dressed, driving around the block, sorting through the party to find the owner and potentially confronting a drunk & violent a-hole. Maybe that's the cop's job? I can't believe you wrote that.

I also suspect that there is racism involved here. The mention that they are middle eastern and on top of that that their music is annoying is hardly worth losing hair over. I mean different culture, different taste. Right now in America, it seems people from the middle east are viewed rather badly. I mean I remember that news story about the nervous middle eastern man on the airplane who had flight scare and it was added by the fact that a woman said he was up to something only because he was from the middle east. Sad. They had to stop the entire flight and seach everythign and the poor man had to be searched and questioned for hours. I suspect you didn't go to your neighbor and talked nicely. Just say, "Hey look, your music is loud. I really don't care about it, I just wish you turn it down some, you don't have to turn it off." Then boom. Nine times out of ten, if you ask nicely, they'll do it.

It's NOT about racism. I don't know if they're Persian, Lebonese, Israeli, Armenian, Egyptian or what....but I do recognize the language as some kind of middle-eastern. It wouldn't matter what language it is, it's just too loud and being blasted in their rear yard so it reflects off the back of their 2-story home and resonates into my 2-story home and permeates deep into the interior. It's simply not right and I'm a bit frustrated that you guys seem to think it's no biggy. If any of you came to my house and spent a night under these conditions, you'd be sitting around at breakfast bitching about how wrong and nasty that was and how something should be done, etc, etc.

They been spoken to.....nothing

The cops have been called.....nothing

Practical solutions have been exhausted.

Their actions and have brought this upon them and if/when it works there'll be several neighbors who will thank me for it.

Some of you just aren't grasping just how loud, obnoxious and offensive this sound-level is. Along with the fact that they're violating the law and playing games with complying with the law.....damn!
 
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I bet if it were neighbors you were friendly with, it wouldnt be a problem.

Everybody is entitled to enjoyment of their space. To me this is lame. My townhouse neighbors (connected to me) have about two parties per year as well. Its loud but we deal because it happens. If we want to have a party, we know that it would be ok. Its not as if they are partying every weekend or anything. What if someone wants to have a New Years and July 4th party? Thats twice, with cause to celebrate. Are they wrong? Absolutely not.

Like someone else said, race never had to be mentioned to state your case. Especially the derogatory term you erased.
 
Maybe one ought to dig into Local Ordinances...and.....State Law and just learn what laws "could be" applicable to this situation, and play the "street lawyer", and manipulate the very people who are "suppose" to serve you.

Where there is will there is a way within the law. Every State within the Union, has a federal law, where a citizen can make a "criminal complaint" based on legal statute, and have it brought to the city attorney/county attorney for prosecution review.


Practical Solutions exhausted = Bull SH@T.

Tried everything = HOGWASH.

WANT a practical solution = Find it.


Best wishes,



Chillen
 
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