Need to lose body fat, not weight, stuck at 15.5%

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Take your time cause I really appretiate the assistance, I can always bump it for you later too.

I had another thing to add in there, just to see if the "amount" I'm lifing seems normal, good, or bad for a 5'7" dude weight 136 pounds. The only good measurements I can think of are the standard ones, I do 55s (45 and a 10) on either side of the flat bench press. More if I have a spot. I do 25s for bicep curls, and I can also do sets up pull ups (back of hand facing toward my face). For tricep I can do dips where you "could" put your knees on the pad to offset your weight, but I don't need to offset any (actually I probably need more weight on me instead).
 
Can someone bump this for me... I'm heading out the door and want to reply later or tomorrow.

BUMP for Steve.
 
I tore my meniscus a few years back either playing racquetball or wakeboarding, I'm not for sure. I had surgery and they trimmed about 15% out, and after my rehabilitation and what not for 6 months my knee never really got better. I have no pain unless I put a lot of stress on it and then it hurts and swells. So no squats, running, heavy racquetball, and I sure miss running. The last MRI I had a year ago showed a small tear where the lame doctor didn't get it all out. I've just given up on those types of leg activities rather than bear another 6 months of rehab anytime soon.

Hmm, that's shitty. If it were me I'd get it fixed but I'm all about being able to do everything I set out to do.

You also might consider some active release... check

What do you mean by this exactly? For my abs I'm doing exercises to make sure I hit my upper, middle, and lower abs, along with my sides. I know each machine "kind of" gets on all of them but some are set more for lower or upper.

As for chest, for example, I sure do at least 5 chest machines too. Some examples would be incline bench, incline freeweight, incline flies, flat bench, decline bench, I'm sure you know what I mean, so I must have missed the point on this one. I'd say for a chest workout I do at least 5 machines, and then 3-4 that are only for tri-cep. Similarly for back and bicep.

I assume you are talking about the rectus abdominis?

Otherwise known as the six pack.

Couple of things here:

1) A healthy core is the foundation of all human movement. The rectus abdominis is only one piece of a much larger puzzle. From the sounds of it you're blasting your abs by doing a bunch of crunches. The core actually includes muscles of your abdominals, back and pelvis/hips.

2) Why are you hitting each muscle with so many different exercises? What do you think you are getting out of that? I can tell you now that you can ditch that mentality of hitting your muscles from all the various angles garbage. At least it's garbage at this stage in the game for you personally. Some would consider me advanced in terms of physique and I don't waste my time doing that stuff, but for some elite body builders, there my be some logic behind it. But not for someone in your shoes.

3) You could probably use a complete overhaul of your routine but again, as stated above, this is the least of your concerns at the moment.

I don't follow some exact plan when I go. I'll pick 4-5 chest machines and 3-4 tricep machines. I try to pick some that I didn't pick the time before to swap things up and keep it interesting. I'll always hit incline, mid, and decline, upper and lower back, etc. I always do 3 sets of 10, some weeks I go the 10, 8, 6 approach making the weights heavier. Some weeks I go for low weight, 14-18 reps, and then some weeks I just picka mid weight and do 3 sets of 10 with it. I like to keep things fun and changing.

So things always have to be changing for things to be fun?

That can run you into problems. Not in the early stages but eventually.

The adaptations people like in response to the stress that lifting is (you know, things like getting stronger and growing bigger muscles) comes from challenging your body to do things that it is unaccustomed to doing. Variety and change doesn't give you that. In order to have this, there needs to be some consistency. If you're always changing things up, there's no way to overload the system, which is necessary.

For instance, if I wanted my chest to grow bigger, I'd do barbell bench presses (given all the other stuff required for hypertrophy). I'd focus on consistently increasing how much I lift in this particular exercise. If instead I was jumping around so I could "blast my chest from all da anglezz!!!111" I'd never have a foundation to build upon.

Do you see the idea here?

Calorie intake:
So it sounds to me like the best plan of attack is to raise my intake back up to my maintenance level of 1800-2000. Currently I'm running around 1500, so what kind of gradual process would you recomend since that is only 300-500 calories. I could hit that easily just by eating an extra helping of beans and a protein bar during the day.

I thought you were between 1000-1500 most days?

Another question would be for what amount of time would I maintain the 2k intake before I start to slowly cut it down again to lose more body fat?

And a final question would be, can I continue doing my exercise routine that I am pretty happy with during this time? Not step it up but just continue as I am. I ask this because if I'm hitting the gym doing cardio for an hour and then walking the dog for a while, I'm burning at least 250-300 calories I would think. That would be coming out of my already low 1500, or soon to be normal 2000.

Before I answer this question, I need to know for sure what your average caloric intake is? I know you said 1500 above. But I also heard 1000, unless I'm thinking of someone else.

Also, how are you tracking your nutrition?

I guess I should also ask, since it is an option (just not a good one) if I increase my calorie deficit would it trigger omre fat loss too? I know it might be a bad path to go down but I would like all my options ;-)

Sure, if you'd like to cause further damage and reach another, close plateau that's harder to get out of in addition to losing muscle and looking and feeling like shit.

I'd say it doesn't sound like a hard decision but given the logic most people I encounter seem to follow, I'll hold my tongue.
 
I had another thing to add in there, just to see if the "amount" I'm lifing seems normal, good, or bad for a 5'7" dude weight 136 pounds.

That's pretty tough to say since a lot more goes into strength then just physical size.

The only good measurements I can think of are the standard ones, I do 55s (45 and a 10) on either side of the flat bench press.

For how many reps, I'm assuming your talking about one rep... your max.

I can't remember how much you weigh, was it 136.

So you can lift 1.1 x your body weight.

I'm not sure what you want to compare it too? Me for example.

I'm 185 lbs right now and my bench is around 350.

So I can lift 1.9 x my body weight.

I do 25s for bicep curls, and I can also do sets up pull ups (back of hand facing toward my face). For tricep I can do dips where you "could" put your knees on the pad to offset your weight, but I don't need to offset any (actually I probably need more weight on me instead).

To be honest, I think this is pretty futile. I'd focus more one how to get your metabolism healthy again and less on how much you're lifting.
 
For how many reps, I'm assuming your talking about one rep... your max.
For the flat bench press with 55s on either side I can do 3 sets of 10. Is that what you are calling one rep? If it's the last chest thing I did I would have to go down to 45s.

If you're always changing things up, there's no way to overload the system, which is necessary.
That makes pretty good sense to me. So you are saying pick a few machines and do that routine for some number of weeks increasing the weights each week? Does it help to do multiple machines that hit the same area? For example, I have one buddy and he only does 1 upper, mid, and lower chest machine when he does chest where I am doing more than one of each. Also, how do you determine when to switch it up?

I realize that I'm only maintaining muscle at this point, but better maintaining it the right way than some crazy way...

I thought you were between 1000-1500 most days?
I suppose it varies day to day and depends if I have an extra snack or a beer with dinner, things like that.

Today I have had:
2 eggs, 3 bacons (210 cal)
yogurt snack (60)
turkey burger (no bun) and pinto beans (~350 cal)
Still have 2 snacks and a dinner to go, so today it will probably be 1100 to 1200 depending on what I have for dinner.

I used to track it all in my PDA, but now know pretty much what is going in at all times and how many calories it has. After tracking everything going in over many months, you kind of get the picture. When I tried the carb thing I had to start tracking it again though. If I do the increased calories and I'm trying to hit an exact number I'll have to calculate that too.

Increasing my intake shouldn't be that big of a problem, I can just change what types of food I am buying. Like a normal 140 calorie yogurt instead of a 60 calorie one. I'll just need to make sure I know the exact amount to hit and over what period of time to do it.

I can say that I'm never hungry, never tired (bed around 11-12, up at 6:30), but definitely want to change for whatever will get the job done.
 
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That makes pretty good sense to me. So you are saying pick a few machines and do that routine for some number of weeks increasing the weights each week? Does it help to do multiple machines that hit the same area? For example, I have one buddy and he only does 1 upper, mid, and lower chest machine when he does chest where I am doing more than one of each. Also, how do you determine when to switch it up?

Let me give you a sample routine I would place someone on if they were training full body twice per week. Notice how much it contrasts what you're currently doing. I'll assume the same knee injury you have, without really knowing what you're capable of.

Workout A:

Romanian Deadlift 3x8
DB Lunges 2x12
Cable Rows 3x8
Flat BB Bench 3x8
Cable Pulldowns 2x12
DB Overhead Press 2x12

Workout B:

Leg Press 3x8
Leg Curl Machine 2x12
Pullups 3x8
Military Press 3x8
Some sort of Row 2x12
Incline DB Bench 2x12

At the end you could throw in 1 or 2 exercises for a couple of sets for arms and core each.

That's it.

Read it twice if you have to. In some cases I'd suggest even less. And this isn't something that needs to be followed, it's just an idea to show you were you're going wrong.

I take my workouts to the point where I'm either 1) bored, 2) plateaued, or 3) hurting.

I don't ever change just for the sake of changing. Why would I?

I don't look for variety. I look for progress and success.

After I milk this routine for all it's worth or until I'm bored, I'll change things up based on whether or not my goals change, what I'm in the mood for, or what my body needs.

I realize that I'm only maintaining muscle at this point, but better maintaining it the right way than some crazy way...

From my perspective what you're doing, especially given the fact that you're in a caloric deficit... is crazy. Worrying about hitting your muscles from various angles while dieting is really silly.

All you want to do is focus on maintaining your strength (possibly increasing it) while using the big, primary exercises.

I suppose it varies day to day and depends if I have an extra snack or a beer with dinner, things like that.

Today I have had:
2 eggs, 3 bacons (210 cal)
yogurt snack (60)
turkey burger (no bun) and pinto beans (~350 cal)
Still have 2 snacks and a dinner to go, so today it will probably be 1100 to 1200 depending on what I have for dinner.

It's really tough to give specific advice when you don't really know how much you're eating on average. You said 1000-1500 and here you're saying 1200. 1200 might be a safe bet for your average.

I used to track it all in my PDA, but now know pretty much what is going in at all times and how many calories it has.

Hmm, so I'm actually wondering at this point if you need a diet break. I mean I would assume so if you were getting in 1000 calories per day for the last year coupled with all the exercise you're doing. Actually I'd know for a fact you need a break.

But given that you aren't exact about measuring your food, I'd lean toward the idea of you underestimating your caloric intake. I base this off of experience, really. People who don't measure and track their foods pretty much always underestimate.

You might be different, but it's hard to tell from where I'm sitting.

And I'm certainly not suggesting you have to 'doom' yourself and count calories the rest of your life, weighing every morsel of food that passes your lips. I'm actually a fan of guesstimating and eyeballing, ASSUMING you're losing weight. If the 'winging it' approach isn't working though, the root of the problem usually lies in eating too much.

Have you ever heard of

A food scale purchase would be an excellent idea if you're serious about figuring out in which direction you need to go from here. If you could be honest with your recording and track a 3-7 days of intake (preferably weekends are part of this) we'd have a better metric to assess from.

After tracking everything going in over many months, you kind of get the picture.

Not to sound pompous, but I've heard that more times than I care to count.

How were you tracking your food when you used to? I know you were using your PDA. But how were you measuring your food?

I can say that I'm never hungry, never tired (bed around 11-12, up at 6:30),

Which leads me to believe that you're overconsuming more than likely. People who are overtrained and dieted for too long are generally tired. They're not hungry always. Just worn down, troubles sleeping, lack of motivation, etc.

You could always see what your waking basal temp is as well as your HR.
 
Sounds like you need some metabolic repair (nutrition) with a condensed training program. Here is what I do:

I train weights three days per week:

Monday:
Heavy Deadlift 4x6-8 reps 90 second rest between sets

Circuit A
Push up prone jacknife x 6 reps
Reverse Lunge Cable Row x 6 reps each side
I try to complete as many rounds (each exercise once) as I can in 10 minutes

Circuit B
Squat Press x 6 reps
Pull ups x 6 reps
Same as above

I then finish with 6 rounds of interval training at 30 seconds high intensity and 90 seconds recovery

Wednesday
Heavy Incline DB Press 3x6-8 reps
Heavy 1 Arm DB Row 3x6-8 reps 60 second rest between sets (alternating)

Circuit A
DB Romanian Deadlift x 12 reps
Stability Ball Crunch x 12 reps
Complete as many rounds as possible in 10 minutes

Circuit B
Kettlebell Swing x 12 reps
Step ups x 12 reps each leg
Same as above

Finish with 3 rounds of 2 minute high intensity intervals and 2 minute recovery

Friday
Heavy Squats 4x6-8 reps

Circuit A
Same as Monday
Circuit B
Same as Monday

Intervals same as Monday

Each day my workout takes me less than an hour to complete and I am completely gassed by that point.

On Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday I only do intervals (60 seconds high intensity, 60 seconds recovery and I go for ten rounds of this).

On all of the weight circuits your weight has to be challenging based on the reps performed so if you are doing six reps, they better be hard to do (and the same goes for the 12 reps circuits)

Nutritionally I consumed high protein, high healthy fat, low carb nutrition. My calories were set at (weight x 9- very low).

Overall, my 1 rep max deadlift increased as did my DB incline press, while the other heavy lifts remained steady.
 
I used the box from the food to base my calorie intake from. Punch that in the PDA (like a journal) and you have your amount for the day. The only time that can be off is if I eat something out that I am unsure about, then I try to guess too much rather than too little. When I don't bring my lunch to work, the cafeteria has calorie/carb/fat information for most of their health choice stuff (nice cafeteria!).

I have no problem tracking the exact information over the next week and reporting it back on here, but your guess for an average of 1200 is probably ok. If my intake turns out to be 1200, or even 1500 are you saying that I am safe to continue my current nutritional intake? After we see what I have eaten for a week maybe you will be able to refine the diet to get some fat moving again.

Your workout routine is drastically different than my botched one. I am going to study it and I might have a couple questions about it (some of which I probably have done but do not know the proper name). I will try to augment that with one that will work good for me and will run it by here to see if it sounds reasonable.

I'm headed to the gym, was going to do some weights but think I will hold off until I can review the workout plan a little closer tonight and come up with a better one.
 
Sounds like you need some metabolic repair (nutrition) with a condensed training program. Here is what I do:

I train weights three days per week:

Monday:
Heavy Deadlift 4x6-8 reps 90 second rest between sets

Circuit A
Push up prone jacknife x 6 reps
Reverse Lunge Cable Row x 6 reps each side
I try to complete as many rounds (each exercise once) as I can in 10 minutes

Circuit B
Squat Press x 6 reps
Pull ups x 6 reps
Same as above

I then finish with 6 rounds of interval training at 30 seconds high intensity and 90 seconds recovery

Wednesday
Heavy Incline DB Press 3x6-8 reps
Heavy 1 Arm DB Row 3x6-8 reps 60 second rest between sets (alternating)

Circuit A
DB Romanian Deadlift x 12 reps
Stability Ball Crunch x 12 reps
Complete as many rounds as possible in 10 minutes

Circuit B
Kettlebell Swing x 12 reps
Step ups x 12 reps each leg
Same as above

Finish with 3 rounds of 2 minute high intensity intervals and 2 minute recovery

Friday
Heavy Squats 4x6-8 reps

Circuit A
Same as Monday
Circuit B
Same as Monday

Intervals same as Monday

Each day my workout takes me less than an hour to complete and I am completely gassed by that point.

On Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday I only do intervals (60 seconds high intensity, 60 seconds recovery and I go for ten rounds of this).

On all of the weight circuits your weight has to be challenging based on the reps performed so if you are doing six reps, they better be hard to do (and the same goes for the 12 reps circuits)

Nutritionally I consumed high protein, high healthy fat, low carb nutrition. My calories were set at (weight x 9- very low).

Overall, my 1 rep max deadlift increased as did my DB incline press, while the other heavy lifts remained steady.

I initially jumped to that conclusion too, not sure if you actually read this thread or not. Now though, I'm not so sure.
 
I used the box from the food to base my calorie intake from. Punch that in the PDA (like a journal) and you have your amount for the day. The only time that can be off is if I eat something out that I am unsure about, then I try to guess too much rather than too little.

No no.

I mean how did you measure your food? Physically measure it.

Did you use a food scale to measure grams and ounces?

I have no problem tracking the exact information over the next week and reporting it back on here, but your guess for an average of 1200 is probably ok.

This would be your best move in my opinion. You sound logical so I don't expect this but a word of caution. Invariably when people start tracking their nutrition, they tend to leave stuff off. Or they don't eat as much as they ordinarily would. That will do us (me or you) no good in solving the problem. So be as accurate and normal as you can.

And again, to be accurate, you really need a food scale.

If my intake turns out to be 1200, or even 1500 are you saying that I am safe to continue my current nutritional intake?

We'll cross this bridge when we get there.

After we see what I have eaten for a week maybe you will be able to refine the diet to get some fat moving again.

There's a good possibility.

Your workout routine is drastically different than my botched one. I am going to study it and I might have a couple questions about it (some of which I probably have done but do not know the proper name). I will try to augment that with one that will work good for me and will run it by here to see if it sounds reasonable.

Sounds like a plan.

More importantly, instead of running with it, I want to make sure you understand the 'whys'.

I'm headed to the gym, was going to do some weights but think I will hold off until I can review the workout plan a little closer tonight and come up with a better one.

What you're doing now isn't going to make or break you in the next couple of weeks so don't sweat it. Baby steps is what this is all about.
 
Thanks again for working with me on this. I'd sign up for your personal training if you live in Nashville. The PTs at my gym are a joke, most of them are in what I would consider worse shape than me.

I've reviewed the plan and have made a few changes for my own enjoyment, and I also have a couple questions.

Workout A:
Flat BB Bench (3x8)
Cable Row (3x8)
Cable Pulldown (2x12)
DB Overhead press (shoulder press right?) (2x12)
At the end:
1 Bicep (does this have to be the same each time?) (3x8-10)
1 Tricep (same each time?) (3x8-10)
2 Abs (2x30)

The Lunges and the Deadlifts will be too hard on the knee.
How about:
Cable Flies or Fly machine (3x10)
DB shoulder (side and front) (3x8)
Pic of what I'm talking about:
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Workout B:
Leg Press (3x8)
Leg Curl (2x12)
Incline DB Bench (2x12)
Decline chest Hammerstrenth (3x8)
High Row Hammerstrength (2x12)
Pullups (3x8)

At the end:
1 Bicep (can vary what type of bicep?)
1 Tricep (same question?)
2 Abs (same question?)

Questions:
Why 2x12 on some and 3x8 on others? I have normally just stuck to the 'ol standard of 3x10. Sometimes doing 10,8,6 instead and increasing the weight each time.

Do you recommend, on the 2x12 and 3x8, increasing the weight each time or doing one weight that I can struggle to do 3 sets with?

At the end when I do one bicep, can I swap this up each workout between different bicep exercises? Same goes for tricep and Ab.

Also, is one Bicep each time sufficient (since I'm hitting biceps with those back machines too)? I could easily do 2 instead of 1.

Have a good one!
 
I didn't weigh any of my food previously only tracked the calorie information.

Ya see, that's a pretty important step that you're missing there. Calorie counting works great as long as you're using the proper metrics. It's calories per unit of weight. So without weighing the particular food you're tracking, all you're really doing is guessing.
 
Thanks again for working with me on this. I'd sign up for your personal training if you live in Nashville. The PTs at my gym are a joke, most of them are in what I would consider worse shape than me.

I appreciate the acknowledgement. In truth, I've seen some pretty crappy looking trainers (physically) who know their stuff beyond belief. That said, the training industry is in shambles. It's making money, yea.... but it's not giving it's paying customers what they deserve. Most trainers are boobs.

I've reviewed the plan and have made a few changes for my own enjoyment, and I also have a couple questions.

Okay.

Workout A:
Flat BB Bench (3x8)
Cable Row (3x8)
Cable Pulldown (2x12)
DB Overhead press (shoulder press right?) (2x12)
At the end:
1 Bicep (does this have to be the same each time?) (3x8-10)
1 Tricep (same each time?) (3x8-10)
2 Abs (2x30)

Yes, DB Overhead Press is shoulder press. Do these standing.

No, the bicep exercise does not have to be the same each time. Really arm work isn't all that important while dieting for most people. I personally rotate my arm exercises from workout to workout.

I would keep it to 2 sets for biceps and 2 sets for triceps. I'd stick with the 12-15 rep range.

What are you planning on doing for abs? My suggestion would be to rotate movements; flexion, extension, rotation, stabilization.

Flexion, think crunches

Extension, think hyper extensions or good mornings

Rotation, think russian twists

Stabilization, think planks

And you don't always have to be doing such high reps. People get caught up in doing high reps to 'feel the burn' and 'tone the abz!11' but in truth you're better off mixing the intensities. High reps is fine some of the time. Other times you should focus on some heavier work. Weight your crunches, for example, so you're limited to 10 reps or something like that.

The Lunges and the Deadlifts will be too hard on the knee.

Romanian deadlifts have little to no knee flexion... are you aware of this?

How about:
Cable Flies or Fly machine (3x10)
DB shoulder (side and front) (3x8)
Pic of what I'm talking about:
images

No, I wouldn't add those movements.

Workout B:
Leg Press (3x8)
Leg Curl (2x12)
Incline DB Bench (2x12)
Decline chest Hammerstrenth (3x8)
High Row Hammerstrength (2x12)
Pullups (3x8)

If you can do leg presses and leg curls, you can certainly do romanian deadlifts.

Why do you like using machines?

At the end:
1 Bicep (can vary what type of bicep?)
1 Tricep (same question?)
2 Abs (same question?)

See above.

Questions:
Why 2x12 on some and 3x8 on others? I have normally just stuck to the 'ol standard of 3x10. Sometimes doing 10,8,6 instead and increasing the weight each time.

Do you have a reason why you stuck with the old 3x10 or did you just read it someplace and buy into the concept?

Varying your loading parameters has been shown empirically and through research to be your best bet for muscle maintenance or growth. Most of my workouts actually consist of a heavy and a light component, which is what I was shooting for with the outline I presented in the workout above.

The first day was heavy horizontal pushing and pulling for the upper body and light vertical pushing and pulling.

The second day was heavy vertical pushing and pulling and light horizontal.

You switched that.

My heavy in my workouts personally is 1-6 reps per set. My light is 8-15 reps, just to give you some perspective.

There isn't a right or wrong.

To boot, there are different types of muscular development. It's certainly not an either/or, on/off switch but do some research on myofibrillar vs. sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. This isn't the sole reason for for the varying rep ranges but it's one of them.

Do you recommend, on the 2x12 and 3x8, increasing the weight each time or doing one weight that I can struggle to do 3 sets with?

That's a good question.

I suggest picking a weight and sticking with it across the rep range.

Here's an important bit of advice: You should never be struggling to the point where you fail. Failure, as in, you don't or barely complete the last rep (this isn't really failure but close enough) is not your goal. Failing does not mean you are working the muscles good. It's not a muscular phenomenon. It's a neurological phenomenon. So don't chase this.

Each set you should leave 1-2 reps in the 'tank.'

I'd start conservatively and work your way up by adding weight 'to the bar' when you can at each successive workout. Blasting your muscles isn't what leads to positive adaptation. Progressively overloading them over a long period of time is.

For example, if for a particular exercise you are supposed to do 3 sets of 8 and today's training looks like this:

Today:

100 lbs x 8
100 lbs x 8
100 lbs x7

The next workout you would not adjust the weight. Shoot for the same weight until you can complete all sets for all prescribed reps.

Follow me?

You should read this a couple of times. I can't stress the two points about failure and starting conservatively enough. They're important.

At the end when I do one bicep, can I swap this up each workout between different bicep exercises? Same goes for tricep and Ab.

See above.

And I can tell that you're over-thinking this a bit; looking for a bunch of rigid rules and guidelines... and I'm sort of feeding you with answers which doesn't help the situation. You need to understand the basics and learn to apply them to your situation.

This is important b/c no workout is good or bad, right or wrong on its own merit. A workout is either proper or not in the context of what someone is using it for. That same workout I listed above would not be appropriate or optimal for the next person who is slightly different than you in either physique, goals, etc.

To add, that same workout won't work for you forever. At that point you're going to have to understand how to adjust it according to your ever-changing needs, goals, body, etc.

So don't see this as a set of rigid rules. See this as an art form based on logical application of foundational principles associated to weight training. If you haven't, I highly suggest reading through some of the stickies. You can pick and choose some of the more applicable ones in the 'words of wisdom' thread.
 
I'm still reading through that last post but I did have one quick question to add in there.

If previously I was doing 4-5 chest exercises and 2-3 tricep, and on the new plan I will only be doing 1-2 each time, is there any consequence of that, or was I not getting any added benefit of "blowing" it out each time?
 
If success is a consequence, yea, lol.

I'm not saying what you were doing is wrong, as I can't think of anything that is inherently all right or all wrong in 'this game.' Well, maybe some of the atrocious executions of squats I see in gyms today... but that's another story.

But what you were doing is something I wouldn't suggest to anyone I was training. It's right out of a bodybuilder magazine, pretty much, and what works for genetic freaks wielding steroids in bulk certainly isn't going to work for a dieted down natural.
 
This has been a good discussion so far, which I appreciate. Most people get huffy puffy when this sort of advice is thrown their way b/c they're too ignorant to separate themselves from their exercise routine and preconceived notions.

So thanks.

And considering we've talked about a lot important topics; metabolic repair, program design, diet assessment... I think we should make this a sticky once it's all said and done with.
 
Props to both of you guys. I second the sticky motion. Could it be renamed "How to ask for and receive help and advice without looking like a boob?"
 
I think we should make this a sticky once it's all said and done with.

I agree! I've been following this thread since it started - great stuff! And it is refreshing to see someone actually listen to the advice they are asking for :)
 
Props to both of you guys. I second the sticky motion. Could it be renamed "How to ask for and receive help and advice without looking like a boob?"

My thoughts exactly.
 
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