Naughty or Nice Challenge

didn't see this post-- sawee!!! I read all the other replies on the the one I started this mornign.

I'm in! Here's my effort so far!
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ok that's just great. SO I post that thread and then open my snack drawer and well,,, here ya go! 4 dark chocolate bars,,, 60% cocoa, 1 w cranberries and blueberries, 1 w macadamia nuts, and 2 w just pure dark chocolate.

OFF TO THE CONFERENCE ROOM THEY GO for the peeps-- NOT ME!!! I am eating clean. shoot I have a 100 mile Horrible Hundred on Sunday... no chocolate for me today!!!

oooooh man I want to keep just one,, or at least have my daily square!! but I aint gunna!
FF
 
I do eat splenda in moderation - I still consider this clean eating.

I will have a diet soda once in awhile - I still consider this clean eating.

I drink coffee, and tea - I consider this clean eating. (i also drink over a gallon of water a day)

I eat a good amount of healthy fats in varios forms - I consider this clean eating.

If anyone disagrees with this, that is fine, but I feel confident in my own definition of clean eating, and if that puts me out of the challenge in anyway that's sad (i'm excited about this!) but that's still my definition of how it goes.

wwwwooooohhhh nelly!! What exactly are we going for here. Clean eating for me means-- no choicaolate bars, no ice cream, no double chocolate borwnies and such. I eat splenda,,, I eat these chillens,,,

Define Clean! well actually- don't you do that derdy girl... ahahahahah some of us have different boundaries...

I have no iuntention of eating vegetables and drinking water only... and how do I know if the cow was given a lollipop my the kids riding bikes!!!!

ok ok ok, I will throw out the heroin too.
FF
 
I do eat splenda in moderation - I still consider this clean eating.

I will have a diet soda once in awhile - I still consider this clean eating.

I drink coffee, and tea - I consider this clean eating. (i also drink over a gallon of water a day)

I eat a good amount of healthy fats in varios forms - I consider this clean eating.

If anyone disagrees with this, that is fine, but I feel confident in my own definition of clean eating, and if that puts me out of the challenge in anyway that's sad (i'm excited about this!) but that's still my definition of how it goes.


I'm with you. I'm in for MY interpretation of clean eating. I'd certainly rather have an occasional pack of Splenda than added sugar (although I usually use Stevia)
 
The reason I got all over splenda is because sugar constitutes clean eating to me. I personally see no reason to use artificial sweeteners. Unless you're eating tons of sugar, then the amount of sugar you ingest from fruit or flavored yogurt won't do you any harm. I personally think splenda has more drawbacks than advantages. I do not consume any artificial sweeteners. I turned down a highly recommended brand of whey protein because they use fake sugar in it. No way will I consume that stuff.
 
If you're talking about naturally occurring sugar in fruits, vegetables, milk etc. then I agree that's clean, but cane sugar (whatever the degree of processing), corn syrup and other "added sugars" in foods are definite no-nos to me.
 
I'm so in, I wanted to say something when I saw you and FF talking on your journal. Believe it or NOT this is going to be a horrible challenge for me. The last few weeks or so I've been falling off the wagon bit by bit until now I have a serious problem with not being in complete control of my eating!

This is what I'm going to do: Clean eating until thanksgiving - on thanksgiving: one plate of whatever is around, but nothing more, clean eating before and after that. and then completely clean eating again until christmas.

How does that sound??

Not bad, not bad. Well for the record, the whole darn reason I even created this between my husband and I is because I have been in the same boat. I am usually a very disciplined person with great will power but its been very shakey lately! Maybe its the cooler weather, makes us all want to eat and hibernate ;)
 
it's really hard to figure out how many 200 calorie mini-meals I could conceivably put together with enough protein that don't need more than a microwave. After a while, you do reach a point of how much tuna, turkey and whey protein powder you can and should consume.

Thanks for the post Sig! I swear I read the whole thing, but this made me chuckle :p
 
The point of artificial sweeteners is the very fact that it prevents you from eating tons of sugar. I'd be hard pressed to find anyone here who would substitute a few teaspoons of sugar in their oatmeal over a packet or two of Splenda. It keeps us honest and on track. The packet or two I have a day is not going to harm me. However, pure sugar is just pure evil, WILL harm me, and is linked scientifically to alllll sorts of heath problems. Yes Splenda can be an irritation to some sensitive populations (such as Sig), but for the vast majority of people its rather harmless in small quantities. Just my .02. Clean to me is what Sara posted. I don't get hung up on coffee, tea, diet soda, splenda. They save my butt when I'm craving ice cream. I'll just be more aware of not ingesting them regularly.
 
While I would agree a "small amount" (and dependent on ones definition of small amount) of refined white sugar will not do no long term harm, the same can be said with Splenda.

However, like I have said many times before, one ought to stay away from refined white sugar like it has STD when we are talking in terms of weight loss.

When it comes to sweetening an item of food, one has to make the best "choice" from a bad "choice set" and this "bad choice set" is: Refined white sugar (HFC, and other names its known under that is processed) V Artificial Sweetener. (where "Natural and Organic" pure ground sugar isn't available)


Lets hope you are not referring to "refined white sugar" (or table sugar) when you say sugar, SP. Refined white sugar has been linked to many diseases:

Sugar can suppress the immune system.
Sugar can upset the body's mineral balance.
Sugar can contribute to hyperactivity, anxiety, depression, concentration difficulties, and crankiness in children.
Sugar can produce a significant rise in triglycerides.
Sugar can cause drowsiness and decreased activity in children.
Sugar can reduce helpful high density cholesterol (HDLs).
Sugar can promote an elevation of harmful cholesterol (LDLs).
Sugar can cause hypoglycemia.
Sugar contributes to a weakened defense against bacterial infection.
Sugar can cause kidney damage.
Sugar can increase the risk of coronary heart disease.
Sugar may lead to chromium deficiency.
Sugar can cause copper deficiency.
Sugar interferes with absorption of calcium and magnesium.
Sugar can increase fasting levels of blood glucose.
Sugar can promote tooth decay.
Sugar can produce an acidic stomach.
Sugar can raise adrenaline levels in children.
Sugar can lead to periodontal disease.
Sugar can speed the aging process, causing wrinkles and grey hair.
Sugar can increase total cholesterol.
Sugar can contribute to weight gain and obesity.
High intake of sugar increases the risk of Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis.
Sugar can contribute to diabetes.
Sugar can contribute to osteoporosis.
Sugar can cause a decrease in insulin sensitivity.
Sugar leads to decreased glucose tolerance.
Sugar can cause cardiovascular disease.
Sugar can increase systolic blood pressure.
Sugar causes food allergies.
Sugar can cause free radical formation in the bloodstream.
Sugar can cause toxemia during pregnancy.
Sugar can contribute to eczema in children.
Sugar can overstress the pancreas, causing damage.
Sugar can cause atherosclerosis.
Sugar can compromise the lining of the capillaries.
Sugar can cause liver cells to divide, increasing the size of the liver.
Sugar can increase the amount of fat in the liver.
Sugar can increase kidney size and produce pathological changes in the kidney.
Sugar can cause depression.
Sugar can increase the body's fluid retention.
Sugar can cause hormonal imbalance.
Sugar can cause hypertension.
Sugar can cause headaches, including migraines.
Sugar can cause an increase in delta, alpha and theta brain waves, which can alter the mind's ability to think clearly.
Sugar can increase blood platelet adhesiveness which increases risk of blood clots and strokes.
Sugar can increase insulin responses in those consuming high-sugar diets compared to low sugar diets.
Sugar increases bacterial fermentation in the colon.


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One ought to investigate how "refined white sugar" is made, it will open your eyes. Investigate this, you will never look at table sugar the same, I promise.


How white sugar is made

"White" sugar is created in a couple of ways.

Mill white sugar is the result of sulphur dioxide being introduced to the cane juice before evaporation. It effectively bleaches the mixture.

In the production of refined white sugar, which is the most common product in the Western world, the raw sugar syrup is mixed with a heavy syrup and run through a centrifuge again to take away the outer coating of the raw sugar crystals.

Phosphoric acid and calcium hydroxide are then added to the juice which then combine and absorb or trap impurities. Alternatively, carbon dioxide is used to achieve the same effect.

The resulting syrup is then filtered through a bed of activated carbon to remove molasses and then crystallized a number of times under vacuum. It is then further dried to produce white refined sugar like we buy in the store.

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Additional info:





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What is Splenda:

What is sucralose?

Sucralose, also known as Splenda, is an artificial sweetener produced through a patented process that adds chlorine atoms to sucrose (table sugar). Reported to be 600 times as sweet as sugar, sucralose has recently become a favorite of the food industry because it possesses desirable physical properties, such as tolerance to high temperatures, tolerance to high and low pH, a pleasant taste, very low caloric value (2 calories/teaspoon), and maximum sweetness using small amounts (thus, it is inexpensive).

Sucralose was discovered in London in 1976 through a joint research project between Tate & Lyle, an expert in sweeteners, and researchers at the University of London. Used outside the country since 1991, the FDA approved sucralose for use in the U.S. in April 1998. Johnson & Johnson's McNeil Specialty Products Company has a license agreement with Tate & Lyle to manufacture and market sucralose, which can be used in soft drinks, baked goods, ice cream, sweetener packets, and other products.

Sucralose belongs to a category of sweeteners called "non-nutritive," meaning that they do not provide a significant number of calories. Saccharin, aspartame and acesulfame-k are other examples of non-nutritive sweeteners. In contrast, sweeteners classified as "nutritive" do provide calories. Sucrose, dextrose, fructose, sorbitol, mannitol, xylitol, and hydrogenated starch hydrolysate are all nutritive sweeteners.

How is Sucralose made?

Sucralose is created via multiple-step manufacturing process that substitutes 3 chlorine atoms for the hydroxyl (hydrogen and oxygen) groups on a sugar molecule. The tight molecular bond between the chlorine atoms and the rest of the sugar molecule results in a very stable molecule. This means that it is not metabolized in the body for calories and it can be processed and used in many different types of food applications.




This source also says:

Is sucralose safe?

FDA and the World Health Organization say that it is. FDA evaluated more than 100 in vitro, in vivo and human safety studies and 40 environmental studies conducted over a 20-year period prior to giving its approval for human consumption. Endorsements from other agencies, who independently reviewed the data, include The American Council on Science and Health, the Health Protection Branch of Health and Welfare Canada, and The National Food Authority of Australia.

Prior to its approval by FDA, McNeil Specialty Products submitted data and information from the following types of animal studies: short-term genotoxicity studies, subchronic feeding tests, chronic toxicity, reproductive toxicity, teratology studies, male fertility, neurotoxicity, metabolism, bioavailability and DNA synthesis. They also submitted data from human tests on metabolism, pharmacokinetics, and glucose homeostasis (among diabetics). Most showed the substance to be non-carcinogenic, non-toxic, and devoid of side effects at recommended doses. Despite the vast amounts of safety data, there have been questions raised on whether sucralose, an artificial sweetener, can be beneficial for one's health.


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The FDA also says "refined white sugar is safe" too. So make your own opinion, lol. :rofl:

The jury is still out on any adverse side effects from Splenda in the formal study sense----on humans. But you will find many sites that are anti-Splenda and list many complications in its use.

I have used, Splenda through out my large weight loss before I joined this forum; it has not effected my fitness goals and I cannot specify accurately (along with the other foods I have consumed) whether this has had any adverse effects on the INSIDE. What I can say is that through an appropriate diet (with Splenda included) and exercise, I feel better now (and its nearly indescribable) than I did before I started


I plan to continue to use it as a replacement to refined white sugar as it "fits" within my dietary plans and goals.

In addition, one would be hard pressed to locate a food item that hasn't been chemically touched through: growth, processing, packaging, and possibly delivery. So is any of our food.....actually CLEAN. Stop and think about it.

The other day, I bought a box of Fish (Talapia), and to my suprise when I looked on the box, I noticed that it was processed with Carbon Monoxide. I started reading on this and learned its used to "preserve its color" (se link below). We all know what this chemical can do if its at adequate levels dont we? It can KILL YOU. But they say the levels used are safe.....rather interesting.




Just some food for thought..........

Be sure to check you fish when you buy them.......LOL

So, If I decide to consume this fish in this contest, will it be considered CLEAN? It has been chemically altered. :boxing_smiley: :rofl:



Best wishes to you all,



Chillen

(Sparrow, if you want me to delete this post, just say so, and I will)
 
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Thanks for the post Sig! I swear I read the whole thing, but this made me chuckle :p

I'm guessing that the "tuna, turkey, whey, repeat" feeling is common to a whole bunch of us. When I have more time later on (read: not on one of those work mini-meal breaks!), I should post a list of the "magic" foods that I could not imagine living without, especially those special foods that I would be happy eating every single day, yet meet the 10:1 ratio rule I use as my guidepost. [I check out foods to see if there is a ratio of 10 calories to 1 gram of protein or better (or in other words, minimum 40% protein).] The tuna/turkey/whey trifecta hits a 5:1 minimum (80%), but otherwise don't excite me. Hehehe.
 
Hey that would be interesting. Please do that.

Okay shake it off. Lets get back to business. Quietly do what the heck you want with the Splenda thing and nobody will say anything to you either way ;) but don't touch that "other" stuff-okay? :D

happy happy take a breath and smile. Good luck to everyone.
 
how do I know if the cow was given a lollipop my the kids riding bikes!!!!

ok ok ok, I will throw out the heroin too.
FF

:rofl:

LOL!......Oh.....maybe a artifcially sweetened?

Oh, no.....We cant have our beef tainted with cows eating "refined white sugar"

Is our beef clean? (just messen!) :)
 
Sparrow, you said no bread whatsoever.
I came home from my workout, hit the frig and ate natural PB on whole wheat pita. for dinner i just ate salad long list) and I had fetta and whole wheat crutons.

if we do not have whole wheat bread, what am I going to use to fill this belly that is stuffy an low cal?

And what about oats? I eat these chilens, oat bars that are very healthy but bready!

this is yer thingy and i will play-- and you are much leaner than i am. Do tell.

i will start my clean diet tomorrow! since I had the bread, I am going to go and get a king size Dark chocolate bar for one last hoooorah before I get serious!! ;) just kiddin ya!

oh yeah! I also put my flax in the protein shake and it is yummy. gotta be careful about the ground up flax swelling in between the teeth though.
 
Woah! chillen. I'm talking about sugars in general, the compounds. I don't add refined white sugar to anything. There's no point. When I take in sugar it's from fruit or something like that. There are sugars in a lot of non processed natural foods and it doesn't make them unhealthy. Apples have sugar, bananas have sugar, milk has sugar. Lots of things have it.

I personally don't understand the importance of artificial sweeteners. They don't provide any calories or nutrition. They contain chemicals and stuff that may be just as bad as refined sugar, and there is no nutritional purpose for them. The only thing they do is make things taste sweet. What's the point in that?

And to FF. I noticed you were mourning the loss of chocolate from your diet. I don't know what kind of chocolate you are giving up, but chocolate can be a very healthy addition to any diet. Dark chocolate, 70% or higher, has many health benefits. If you're worried about sugar, you can get chocolate into your diet by using 100% pure cocoa. Chocolate is too healthy of a thing to feel like you have to give up. But if we're talking Hershey's chocolate here, then the risks outweigh the benefits.
 
Woah! chillen. I'm talking about sugars in general, the compounds. I don't add refined white sugar to anything. There's no point. When I take in sugar it's from fruit or something like that. There are sugars in a lot of non processed natural foods and it doesn't make them unhealthy. Apples have sugar, bananas have sugar, milk has sugar. Lots of things have it.

I personally don't understand the importance of artificial sweeteners. They don't provide any calories or nutrition. They contain chemicals and stuff that may be just as bad as refined sugar, and there is no nutritional purpose for them. The only thing they do is make things taste sweet. What's the point in that?

And to FF. I noticed you were mourning the loss of chocolate from your diet. I don't know what kind of chocolate you are giving up, but chocolate can be a very healthy addition to any diet. Dark chocolate, 70% or higher, has many health benefits. If you're worried about sugar, you can get chocolate into your diet by using 100% pure cocoa. Chocolate is too healthy of a thing to feel like you have to give up. But if we're talking Hershey's chocolate here, then the risks outweigh the benefits.

hahaha have you personally tried to eat 73% cocoa chocolate! bleck!! and 80 is hard to choke down. and I bought a 93% that I couldn't even melt into coffee with 19 packs of plenda an duse.

I am joinin this thing to be a "part of" not have an opinion of. In order to jojn in, I am giving something up. I don;t even need to. It's not about opinion, it is about doin something for the sake of diong it honey! Try it. Be a part of a group of people, verses looking at us as a source of debateable information on your computer screen.

You are young, and this post is an attempt to help you. Join us! Give up the sugar and the splenda and the wheat bread if Sparrow says and be a part of "US."
your health is not at risk.

XOXOXOXOXO to you sweet spicey thingy!

pals,
FF
 
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Spicey, what kind of education do you have regarding nurition and the nature of artificial sweetners? What is your own diet like? are you even taking part in this or just felt like tossing some opinions around?

I'm not a scientist on the subject but I know enough to know that any processed sweetener artificial or not is not good for the body in large quantities. True a little bit of splenda won't kill you, but consuming tons of it every day is not a good idea. Think of the people who drink as many as 5 diet sodas a day. Not good, right? But because diet soda contains an artificial sweetener it makes it clean? I don't think so. I was hung up on the idea of the word "clean". For some reason natural, organic whole grain bread is evil when heavily processed chemicals that taste sweet are okay. It just doesn't make much sense to me.
 
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