My low carb progress

[EazyE1]

Eazy, seriously, I am sick of you. You are old. Have been for quite some time now. You seek attention on here by clamoring out with your pathetic attempts of figuring out how to live this lifestyle. It is quite sad actually. I have said to others on here a while ago, that earlier, I actually felt quite bad for you. Not anymore.

If you were capable of basic comprehension of what you read, you would understand the fact that I don't have a "method" or "methods." I have certainly dished out a lot of advice on this forum. Blanket advice mostly. All of it based on sound scientific facts of what we currently know to be true with regards to the human body.

If you don't buy some of what I say, that is fine with me. But keep it to yourself and don't go around saying "Steve's methods don't work." Because:

1) Again, I don't have one particular method.

2) Any advice I give is not based solely on my own empirical evidence. I have learned from the best in the field. Read all of the research. And most importantly, when I trained, I GOT RESULTS with my clients. All of them. You have learned what KETOSIS is and for some reason think it is the holy grail with regards to losing weight. And better yet, you don't fully understand ketosis and how it works.

So stop the nonsense. You found what seems to work for you in your opinion. If you define "works" as feeling like crap and not exercising just to see the number on the scale go down, I am very happy for you. I could have told you how to do that from day one without all the run-around.

And I will be waiting for that picture.

Right well i'll stop the low carbs when i stop losing bodyfat. As i said before my scales measure bf% accurately, if i do it over and over they will display the exact same bf% every time. So there is no denying low carb is working for me, i can also SEE the difference, and im proud of my progress so far. I have lost muscle, but that has stabalised.
Also my aches and lack of energy is probably being amplified because i'm ill atm.
But you are supposed to feel bad for the first few days of under 20g of carbs, thats until your body switches to fat as a primary energy source, and then you adapt to that and you have energy again. I have cheated a few times and gone way over 20g of carbs though, which is why i still feel the lack of energy, as i unexpectedly give my body carbs again so it cant change to fatloss, its probably going to do damage if i continue to confuse my body like that, so when im not ill i'll stick to 20g until my energy returns.

 

[TomO]

As i said before my scales measure bf% accurately, if i do it over and over they will display the exact same bf% every time.

If you're using a scale to get your body fat percentage, good luck! Scales are only accurate if your legs are a good proxy for the rest of your body. If your fat is abdominal, then the scales will typically underestimate your body fat by about 10 points. I'm 25% body fat; the scales all show my at 15%.

 

[Steve]

Right well i'll stop the low carbs when i stop losing bodyfat. As i said before my scales measure bf% accurately, if i do it over and over they will display the exact same bf% every time. So there is no denying low carb is working for me, i can also SEE the difference, and im proud of my progress so far. I have lost muscle, but that has stabalised.
Also my aches and lack of energy is probably being amplified because i'm ill atm.
But you are supposed to feel bad for the first few days of under 20g of carbs, thats until your body switches to fat as a primary energy source, and then you adapt to that and you have energy again. I have cheated a few times and gone way over 20g of carbs though, which is why i still feel the lack of energy, as i unexpectedly give my body carbs again so it cant change to fatloss, its probably going to do damage if i continue to confuse my body like that, so when im not ill i'll stick to 20g until my energy returns.

Your response still indicates a total lack of ability to comprehend.

MY TAKE HOME POINT FROM MY POST WAS TO STOP TALKING ABOUT "STEVE'S METHOD."

And stop "educating" us about ketosis. Nutrition, biology, and phsyiology 101 was a LONG time ago.

 

[EazyE1]

If you're using a scale to get your body fat percentage, good luck! Scales are only accurate if your legs are a good proxy for the rest of your body. If your fat is abdominal, then the scales will typically underestimate your body fat by about 10 points. I'm 25% body fat; the scales all show my at 15%.

It estimates me at 22% bf, but my legs are thin really.
I'm 5ft 10 and 166lb, so by any means i cant be 32% bf. Also, it would be pretty hard to lose 2% bf just from the legs in 2 weeks.

 

[cym]

First I have to say that I have pretty much no concern one way or the other if you do low carb, no carb or carbs coming your ears...my feeling is you've discovered something that you are convinced "works" for you - however you define that - and there is nothing anyone, anywhere could say to shake you loose from the idea so, hey, it's your body.

I'm just curious about something. Assuming your bodyfat % scales are as accurate as you've decided they are, you state that you've already lost some lean muscle mass to achieve your current scale weight. Since you are at present unable to train in a way that will preserve your existing muscle mass, it seems a pretty fair assumption that as your weight continues to drop, there will be some additional muscle loss.

So, just plucking a random number, let's say you lose a total of 20 lbs but 5 of it is lean muscle mass. Since the only way to later gain any muscle mass is to eat at a surplus while training, that's going to include a slight increase in fat as well...how will you then shed that bit of extra...because if you select your current method, which you admit causes a loss of lbm, won't that defeat the entire purpose? I'm really just curious about the logic behind your plan

 

[EazyE1]

First I have to say that I have pretty much no concern one way or the other if you do low carb, no carb or carbs coming your ears...my feeling is you've discovered something that you are convinced "works" for you - however you define that - and there is nothing anyone, anywhere could say to shake you loose from the idea so, hey, it's your body.

I'm just curious about something. Assuming your bodyfat % scales are as accurate as you've decided they are, you state that you've already lost some lean muscle mass to achieve your current scale weight. Since you are at present unable to train in a way that will preserve your existing muscle mass, it seems a pretty fair assumption that as your weight continues to drop, there will be some additional muscle loss.

So, just plucking a random number, let's say you lose a total of 20 lbs but 5 of it is lean muscle mass. Since the only way to later gain any muscle mass is to eat at a surplus while training, that's going to include a slight increase in fat as well...how will you then shed that bit of extra...because if you select your current method, which you admit causes a loss of lbm, won't that defeat the entire purpose? I'm really just curious about the logic behind your plan

Carbs do not cause muscle loss. A large calorie defecit does.
When i started low carbs i didnt make up a plan, so i ended up not having enough calories in the day without exceeding the 20g of carbs.
Protein and calories control your muscle balance, carbs dont. All carbs do is give you energy for the weight training, but on a low carb diet the carbs are replaced with bodyfat to fuel your energy for workouts.

So basically i only lost muscle because:

1. I didnt exercise for the first 2 weeks
2. I didnt lift weights for the first 2 weeks
3. I was on a large calorie defecit, because i didnt make meal plans

I'm talking like 1000-1200 calories a day.
But since then ive had more calories and my muscle mass has stopped dropping, and the fatloss has continued to drop.

Oh and the logic of my plan is basically to "reset" my body to a healthy lean state (10-15% BF) and then (if neccesary) slowly up my calories to get my metabolism to normal.
Then i will create/find a workout routine and muscle building diet (high protein, moderate carbs and fat) and build muscle from then on. Yes i will gain fat at that stage but everyone does, the surplus is what builds the muscle, once you have gone past the noob gain stage.

I know it may not be the ideal way of doing things, but ive never been thin, only average-overweight.

Also, im aware it takes years to get to a stage until you get a physique like Steve for example, but i'm only 16, i have all the time in the world.

 

[cym]

Thank you for satisfying my curiosity...in more ways than one. BTW I was not inferring that carbs (hi/low or otherwise) were responsible for your muscle loss...simply that if you follow the induction phase of Atkins to the letter, which I assume is/has been your intent, the combination of a significant calorie deficit and lack of energy to train sufficiently will contribute to muscle loss. Now that I see you are 16 y/o, your logic becomes much clearer to me. Not knocking you at all. You can be 16 and very, very intelligent, but there is a lifetime of experience, knowledge and understanding between the teen-age years and adulthood. I shudder to think of some of the "logical" ideas I myself came up and firmly believed at your age.

So, basically, I wish you the best of luck, advise you to remember that your body is still developing so you, more than say a 25 y/o, need to be very careful that you don't make significant health decisions now in pursuit of a single minded goal that you may well regret but will prove difficult - if not impossible -to correct when you are older

....and since I have a firm personal policy against knowingly communicating with minors via the internet, I will read your future updates with great interest but will not contribute my 2 cents. Good luck.

 

[KeeseeD]

This post seems to have gone astray, but Steve I think you're smart as a result so that's good. Can you check my post? (I'm new at this) It's long, but I appreciate your knowledge on the subject(s)!

http://weight-loss.fitness.com/weight-loss-programs/11764-here-goes-nothing-confused.html

 

[corndogggy]

All carbs do is give you energy for the weight training, but on a low carb diet the carbs are replaced with bodyfat to fuel your energy for workouts.

When you weight train, you use fast twitch muscles. Fast twitch muscles fuel off of glucose/glycogen. Actually your brain does too. Glucose/glycogen cannot be made out of fat as far as I know. Carbs are what is typically used. The body can use protein if it absolutely has to but it produces the bad byproducts. When things get really bad, your body can actually break itself down for fuel. This can happen when you are either deficient in protein OR carbs. Lesser used muscles are broken down and used for fuel and repairing the other badly broken down tissue. Your body is basically eating itself during this time, and this is the main reason for muscle loss. Bad stuff.

i'm only 16, i have all the time in the world.

Wow, that explains alot.

 

[M2M]

EazyE,
Since joining this forum in September, you wanted to try a basic starvation diet:
http://weight-loss.fitness.com/club/5754-theory.html

Then you wanted to try throwing up:
http://weight-loss.fitness.com/club/5918-throwing-up-2.html

You've been argumentative and rude when you were having black outs
http://weight-loss.fitness.com/club/10823-blackouts-2.html#post225688

And now, you're getting defensive about the next craze you're trying and argumentative.

Be reminded of what I warned you of in my last PM to you. Post/tread lightly.

 

[EazyE1]

Thank you for satisfying my curiosity...in more ways than one. BTW I was not inferring that carbs (hi/low or otherwise) were responsible for your muscle loss...simply that if you follow the induction phase of Atkins to the letter, which I assume is/has been your intent, the combination of a significant calorie deficit and lack of energy to train sufficiently will contribute to muscle loss. Now that I see you are 16 y/o, your logic becomes much clearer to me. Not knocking you at all. You can be 16 and very, very intelligent, but there is a lifetime of experience, knowledge and understanding between the teen-age years and adulthood. I shudder to think of some of the "logical" ideas I myself came up and firmly believed at your age.

So, basically, I wish you the best of luck, advise you to remember that your body is still developing so you, more than say a 25 y/o, need to be very careful that you don't make significant health decisions now in pursuit of a single minded goal that you may well regret but will prove difficult - if not impossible -to correct when you are older

....and since I have a firm personal policy against knowingly communicating with minors via the internet, I will read your future updates with great interest but will not contribute my 2 cents. Good luck.

Thats the thing about Atkins induction, it has no mention of even a rough guide for calorie intake. The main guide line being 20g of carbs is most likely why a lot of people lose a lot of weight on induction, because its difficult (but achieveable) to have a lot of calories without having many carbs.
Thanks for the post, it was constructive. Unlike Corndoggy with his, "omg 16 dat xplainz alot!!!!1!1!11".
And your post HERE was also helpful. That info should be in the Atkins plan, it would get better results if it were.

 

[TomO]

LOL, when I was 16, I figured I knew just about everything, too.

In my 20's, I realized I didn't know everything, but whatever I didn't know would come to me easily.

When I was in my 30's, I started to realize what I didn't know, but figured I knew more than anyone else.

When I was in my 40's, my kids started growing up, and I thought I knew everything about that, too. In my late 40's, my kids became teenagers, and suddenly I knew NOTHING.

Now, in my late 50's, I realize how preciously little I do know, but it's a HELL of a lot more than I knew in my teens, 20's, 30's, and 40's.

Hey, that's just me. I'm sure there is a teenager out there somewhere who really does know everything.

 

[Wrangell]

Meh, if im losing fat ....

i dont care if its healthy or not.​

Ding ...ding ...ding ...we have a winner folks !

And THAT - ladies and gentleman - is all you need to know about EazyE's philosophy about health & fitness...which sadly, speaks for itself IMO .

Steve endorses a healthy approach toward a obtaining healthy lifestyle. You, on the other hand, will do whatever it takes it seems ...healthy or not. " Healthy " is irrelevant ..so long as you reach your goals.

It's the same logic - " i dont care if its healthy or not " - I used to hear from gym rats taking steroids.

Have you tried looking at that "weight yourself every day club" thread? So many people are stalling there on their plateau's, thanks to Steve's methods.

Well, if they really read what's in all of Steve's posts...........they likely wouldn't be stalling there on their plateau's IMO.

Oh and you couldnt have looked very hard, here are a few THOUSAND people to talk about Atkins to:

Too funny...embracing the Atkins faithfull now !! You've suddenly dumped your expert Tom Venuto like a hot potato eh !? You're right, what does he know.

 

[Wrangell]

Eazy-
I just did some errands and was thinking about you and your posts. I find it incredibly pathetic that you are in a forum where there are people who have tried to guide you, care about you, and treat you well, and what you do is deny, alienate, and defend your "PLAN" when it has been proven to be wrong. It is one thing to be misguided or misinformed, it is another thing to have the correct information in front of your face and be stupid enough to push it away. You are looking for a fast fix- it's not going to work. Steve and the others are RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG! PERIOD! There is no denying it.

All I have left to say to you is this, God loves you just the way you are, but he loves you enough NOT to LET YOU STAY THIS WAY!

Good post.

And since you brought up GOD and his relationship with EazyE ( and HIS gift of love for EazyE ) Pope John Paul said best when it comes to GOD's gifts......

"Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused."​

EazyE - take note

 

[Shinsplint]

I'm feeling more motviated now because my energy has come back and i can now lift the weight i was a couple of weeks ago (with more difficulty obviously as ive lost some muscle) but i can complete my sets and reps.

I had to have some fruit and fibre for breakfast today because we have ran out of eggs and i didnt have time to cook any chicken or anything.

Are there any alternatives for breakfast other than omlets and other egg sort of dishes?

I'm doing a modified version of Atkins and every morning I eat 5 tablespoons of muesli with dried fruit (it comes together in the packet) and a chopped prune on top, with full cream milk. I find it gives me steady energy levels and staves off the hunger all day. You could also have half a glass of full cream milk and then a not-too-ripe banana, as the fat in the milk will slow down the absorption of the sugars (this is why I don't drink skim milk, as it's just water with milk sugar). I don't think you need to cut out as many carbs as you have. As long as you're eating foods which don't have any additives or refined carbohydrates in them and you don't mix your carbs with fats and your proteins with carbs too much (eg steak and potatoes, bread and margarine), you should keep losing weight.

On a side note, I found my weight loss was very slow while I was eating bread, potatoes, rice or other carby foods more than twice a day. As soon as I limited my bread/carbs to once a day, I began noticing VERY rapid results.

Another thing, don't let anybody talk you into not eating carbs, especially if you are exercising. You need a little bit of carbohydrate every day (starch, not cellulose) because it's dangerous to burn pure fat; your blood chemistry will change and you will go into ketosis. It's not natural and it's not a long-term solution. The best thing you can do for your body is give it time and exercise it every day. Our ancestors exercised every day, rain, hail or shine. Unfortunately, our bodies don't let us forget that!

All the best with your weight loss journey; I'm sure you'll reach your goal with patience and determination.