visionfitness
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lol my point exactly
My low carb progress
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ahem...
don't make me get the ruler.. .
don't make me get the ruler.. .
hey i went to catholic school - rulers were used to smack people upside the heads 
but your interpretatin is kinda cute
but your interpretatin is kinda cute Lol this thread has gone a bit off the rails.
I hope you meant carbs.
And its not a NO carb diet, its a LOW carb diet.
I find that hard to believe, 90lb's of water? I would imagine at that point when you cry no tears come out lol.
Only if you type in, "Low carb success stories". Or, "Low carb healthy living".
First link for you:
See? You can type anything in a search engine and get what you like. It proves nothing.
I hope you meant carbs.
And its not a NO carb diet, its a LOW carb diet.
I find that hard to believe, 90lb's of water? I would imagine at that point when you cry no tears come out lol.
Only if you type in, "Low carb success stories". Or, "Low carb healthy living".
First link for you:
See? You can type anything in a search engine and get what you like. It proves nothing.
Okay Vision, your wish is my command. You wanted to go into further discussion with me, so let’s have at it!
This statement alarmed me right away, that I was about to hear an ear-load of misinformation. Considering the fact that our bodies do not NEED carbs, I have a hard time understanding how we can be deficient in the macronutrient to a point where it can be dangerous. I assume, by dangerous, you mean harmful.
What on God’s green earth are you talking about? Maybe I am the one that needs to learn something here. What does “normalize” our system mean? I thought, in order to utilize the energy that we consume without storing any, we simply had to contribute less energy to our system than is required for basal functions plus activity. Is this incorrect? I didn’t know we had to “normalize” our systems first!
Homey say wah? Is this even English? Is this your “fancy-pantsy” way of saying, in order to lose weight, we must be in an energy deficit? Or are you trying to say something else here? I promise you, I am not the only one confused by the above sentence.
Umm. One word: Ketosis. Read, research, and learn. The encyclopedia is your friend. I promise.
While your at it, look up something known as gluconeogenesis.
You are grossly over-simplifying the human body.
Earth to You. 15% levels of dehydration are fatal. So tell me again, how much water can your body lose?
Sure, I bet it could lose 100% of the 70%. But who cares, you would have been dead long before this happened.
Not possible. Do some research on dehydration.
So, are you saying that you can’t eat low carb without being in an extreme calorie deficit? I mean, looking at your quote above in the context of this conversation, it is the only safe assumption I can make.
You don’t say! I am shocked to learn this.
So tell me if I read you correctly.
Your theory is that when we go into extreme cases of calorie deficiency (not that this is what a low carb diet has to be, which you seem to indicate) our bodies lose muscle mass.
So far, I agree with you, depending on the starting point of the person of course. Which leads me to a question for you. Does an obese person handle a calorie deficit similarly or differently than his/her leaner counterpart?
Back to your theory. You so eloquently explain that our metabolisms slowdown due to this loss in muscle mass. Are you sure the noticeable slowdown is from the muscle loss?
Hint: most likely its not.
The slowdown is mostly due to hormonal shifts. I am sure you are going to refute half of what I say, or expect me to show hard facts or studies to back up my claims, which I can. Please realize though, I won’t. Or, I should say, I will only after you back up your claims. Let’s not lose site of the fact that you are the one making huge posts explaining the “science” behind low carb (or should I say crab) diets. So it is on you to back up your claims. I am merely showing you what I disagree with.
Hmm, thanks for the life lesson Dad. I bet you are full of them and I can’t wait to learn more from you! J
For future reference though, I wouldn’t consider this an argument. I have spent countless hours on this forum HELPING people realize the difference between bogus and real information. That is not to say I know everything, at all. I learn every single day, something new. And I will always gladly admit when I don’t know something. But when I read something, such as your posts above, I am certainly going to call “BS.” Even if there is some rhyme or reason behind your words that make a little sense, it is easy to tell that you have no idea what the F you are talking about.
It isn’t about arguing with you. It is about helping the people who read your words.
And if anything, it is about debating the topic at hand.
Here is the kicker. I am not a fan of low carb diets. So it isn’t like I am arguing with you on that front. I am directly stating that most of what you said above was either indiscernible or incorrect. If you truly have faith that you are right, I am sure you won’t mind me asking you to back up your claims.
This statement alarmed me right away, that I was about to hear an ear-load of misinformation. Considering the fact that our bodies do not NEED carbs, I have a hard time understanding how we can be deficient in the macronutrient to a point where it can be dangerous. I assume, by dangerous, you mean harmful.
What on God’s green earth are you talking about? Maybe I am the one that needs to learn something here. What does “normalize” our system mean? I thought, in order to utilize the energy that we consume without storing any, we simply had to contribute less energy to our system than is required for basal functions plus activity. Is this incorrect? I didn’t know we had to “normalize” our systems first!
Homey say wah? Is this even English? Is this your “fancy-pantsy” way of saying, in order to lose weight, we must be in an energy deficit? Or are you trying to say something else here? I promise you, I am not the only one confused by the above sentence.
Umm. One word: Ketosis. Read, research, and learn. The encyclopedia is your friend. I promise.
While your at it, look up something known as gluconeogenesis.
You are grossly over-simplifying the human body.
Earth to You. 15% levels of dehydration are fatal. So tell me again, how much water can your body lose?
Sure, I bet it could lose 100% of the 70%. But who cares, you would have been dead long before this happened.
Not possible. Do some research on dehydration.
So, are you saying that you can’t eat low carb without being in an extreme calorie deficit? I mean, looking at your quote above in the context of this conversation, it is the only safe assumption I can make.
You don’t say! I am shocked to learn this.
So tell me if I read you correctly.
Your theory is that when we go into extreme cases of calorie deficiency (not that this is what a low carb diet has to be, which you seem to indicate) our bodies lose muscle mass.
So far, I agree with you, depending on the starting point of the person of course. Which leads me to a question for you. Does an obese person handle a calorie deficit similarly or differently than his/her leaner counterpart?
Back to your theory. You so eloquently explain that our metabolisms slowdown due to this loss in muscle mass. Are you sure the noticeable slowdown is from the muscle loss?
Hint: most likely its not.
The slowdown is mostly due to hormonal shifts. I am sure you are going to refute half of what I say, or expect me to show hard facts or studies to back up my claims, which I can. Please realize though, I won’t. Or, I should say, I will only after you back up your claims. Let’s not lose site of the fact that you are the one making huge posts explaining the “science” behind low carb (or should I say crab) diets. So it is on you to back up your claims. I am merely showing you what I disagree with.
Hmm, thanks for the life lesson Dad. I bet you are full of them and I can’t wait to learn more from you! J
For future reference though, I wouldn’t consider this an argument. I have spent countless hours on this forum HELPING people realize the difference between bogus and real information. That is not to say I know everything, at all. I learn every single day, something new. And I will always gladly admit when I don’t know something. But when I read something, such as your posts above, I am certainly going to call “BS.” Even if there is some rhyme or reason behind your words that make a little sense, it is easy to tell that you have no idea what the F you are talking about.
It isn’t about arguing with you. It is about helping the people who read your words.
And if anything, it is about debating the topic at hand.
Here is the kicker. I am not a fan of low carb diets. So it isn’t like I am arguing with you on that front. I am directly stating that most of what you said above was either indiscernible or incorrect. If you truly have faith that you are right, I am sure you won’t mind me asking you to back up your claims.
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HungryJoe
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Very interesting
Well, in my opinion it's just getting rid of those "bad carbs" that matter. Like sugar, High Fructose Corn Syrup, etc...
and I think the reason that some diets like Atkins and South Beach also take out fruit and all is so that people will see results quickly and stay motivated to stay on a diet. Both Atkins and South Beach end up being really great long-term plans. Especially when you consider the Standard American Diet is burgers and fries.
What has worked for me is to try and have protein and good fat and get as many carb calories from veggies and then a few fruits. And yes I do mix in whole grains with some meals. Especially breakfast when I know I'll have a chance to use them up all day.
I think , in addition to meat and eggs, if you are looking for low-carb but high protein... cheeses, whey protein, soy stuff as well like tofu and boca burgers. Nuts have a little of everything but most of the calories are from good fat so maybe consider that.
I think if people are moderating calories and trying to eat healthier, that's the important thing. I mean if you are talking about choosing between a bowl of oatmeal with whey protein or perhaps a breakfast of egg whites with lean turkey... both are healthy. The low-carb versus low-fat... a very individual thing. Do you LIKE healthy carbs? Have some. Don't have a donut.
Have some whole grain bread with some egg whites and cheese.
OH and congrats on wanting to lose some weight and good luck to you!!!
Well, in my opinion it's just getting rid of those "bad carbs" that matter. Like sugar, High Fructose Corn Syrup, etc...
and I think the reason that some diets like Atkins and South Beach also take out fruit and all is so that people will see results quickly and stay motivated to stay on a diet. Both Atkins and South Beach end up being really great long-term plans. Especially when you consider the Standard American Diet is burgers and fries.
What has worked for me is to try and have protein and good fat and get as many carb calories from veggies and then a few fruits. And yes I do mix in whole grains with some meals. Especially breakfast when I know I'll have a chance to use them up all day.
I think , in addition to meat and eggs, if you are looking for low-carb but high protein... cheeses, whey protein, soy stuff as well like tofu and boca burgers. Nuts have a little of everything but most of the calories are from good fat so maybe consider that.
I think if people are moderating calories and trying to eat healthier, that's the important thing. I mean if you are talking about choosing between a bowl of oatmeal with whey protein or perhaps a breakfast of egg whites with lean turkey... both are healthy. The low-carb versus low-fat... a very individual thing. Do you LIKE healthy carbs? Have some. Don't have a donut.
Have some whole grain bread with some egg whites and cheese.
OH and congrats on wanting to lose some weight and good luck to you!!!
In MANY words, you just said what I always say. Account for calories first. Then worry about your protein needs. Then your EFA needs. After that, it's fair game.
Obviously, the healthier the food choices, the more optimal for you health.
I'm feeling more motviated now because my energy has come back and i can now lift the weight i was a couple of weeks ago (with more difficulty obviously as ive lost some muscle) but i can complete my sets and reps.
I had to have some fruit and fibre for breakfast today because we have ran out of eggs and i didnt have time to cook any chicken or anything.
Are there any alternatives for breakfast other than omlets and other egg sort of dishes?
I had to have some fruit and fibre for breakfast today because we have ran out of eggs and i didnt have time to cook any chicken or anything.
Are there any alternatives for breakfast other than omlets and other egg sort of dishes?
Sweettea63
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wow!!!Steve dang...i am afraid to type scared u will evaluate it.you are a very intelligent man help me.!!!
There is absolutely no reason to fear me! Don't use this thread as a judgement of my character. This is an exception to the rule.
Well im still getting good results, i must be doing something right.
Ive lost 2% bodyfat, and ive stabalized my muscle loss by upping calories, i lost 0.5% muscle, but it has got no lower this week.
Total weight loss since starting low carb is 5lb.
I'm really pleased, as i havnt done any cardio or weight lifting for 2 weeks now, as the low carbs have made me so weak and tired.
I do cheat and have over 20g of carbs a lot though, which is why im probably not in Ketosis (as everyone says when you are in Ketosis you feel much better) i'll just have to try harder and hopefully my energy will return. I think my body cant decide whether to go in Ketosis or not, i get the symptoms of Ketosis (feeling tired, dehydrated, unable to concentrate) but my low energy and weak muscles remain.
I'm now 5 ft 10 and 166lb. My goal seems more reachable now. Another 15lb maximum and i'm done lol.
Ive lost 2% bodyfat, and ive stabalized my muscle loss by upping calories, i lost 0.5% muscle, but it has got no lower this week.
Total weight loss since starting low carb is 5lb.
I'm really pleased, as i havnt done any cardio or weight lifting for 2 weeks now, as the low carbs have made me so weak and tired.
I do cheat and have over 20g of carbs a lot though, which is why im probably not in Ketosis (as everyone says when you are in Ketosis you feel much better) i'll just have to try harder and hopefully my energy will return. I think my body cant decide whether to go in Ketosis or not, i get the symptoms of Ketosis (feeling tired, dehydrated, unable to concentrate) but my low energy and weak muscles remain.
I'm now 5 ft 10 and 166lb. My goal seems more reachable now. Another 15lb maximum and i'm done lol.
If i didnt care what i looked like i wouldnt have decided to lose weight
Losing weight, not fat, is really what makes you look great.
Losing weight, not fat, is really what makes you look great.
I guess 2% bodyfat cant be bodyfat then
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
Good luck getting there without exercising.
Also, impossible to be 2%.
Mind you, starving people in under-developed nations have body fat percentages in the single digits..... do they look good?
Why do you make everything so hard. And worst yet, make no sense while doing it?
Good luck getting there without exercising.
Also, impossible to be 2%.
Mind you, starving people in under-developed nations have body fat percentages in the single digits..... do they look good?
Why do you make everything so hard. And worst yet, make no sense while doing it?
Who said i wouldnt exercise?
I said im not exercising atm because the low carbs have drained all my energy. I'm tired throughout the whole day and i cant lift weights. And when i try my muscles ache for hours later.
Yea lets workout under those conditions
Be reasonable.