My low carb progress

I am done with you on this forum. Honestly. I have tried to help you time and time again and you listen to nothing. You know more than everyone. I am not reasonable in my suggestions. You are doing it correctly. I am sure there is more you want to hear, but quite frankly I am done caring.

Best of luck to you with your sub-optimal approaches.

You will need it.
 
I am done with you on this forum. Honestly. I have tried to help you time and time again and you listen to nothing. You know more than everyone. I am not reasonable in my suggestions. You are doing it correctly. I am sure there is more you want to hear, but quite frankly I am done caring.

Best of luck to you with your sub-optimal approaches.

You will need it.

Hmm lets see.

Getting metabolism back to normal by eating maintenance = fail
Doing over 2 hours of exercise a day and eating 1800-2000 cals a day = fail
Going on low carbs = pass

Your methods dont work, mine do.
 
I said im not exercising atm because the low carbs have drained all my energy. I'm tired throughout the whole day and i cant lift weights. And when i try my muscles ache for hours later.

I guess what I don't quite understand is how this is a recipe for success.
 
Hmm lets see.

Getting metabolism back to normal by eating maintenance = fail
Doing over 2 hours of exercise a day and eating 1800-2000 cals a day = fail
Going on low carbs = pass

Let's see...


" low carbs have drained all my energy " = FAIL


" I'm tired throughout the whole day and i cant lift weights " = FAIL


" i get the symptoms of Ketosis (feeling tired, dehydrated, unable to concentrate) " = FAIL


...I'd say these adverse effects pretty much speak for themselves.


Your methods dont work, mine do.

The issue isn't whether the methods " work ". To defend a method just because a method works is stupid logic IMO. Steroids work. Diet pills work. Liposuction works. Blood doping works. etc. etc.

The real issue is whether the method is healthy, sustainable ( and this alone should speak for itself ) and whether it does your body more harm / stress than good.

If you want some idea of how to find a method to do that - a method that is healthy, sustainable and has a positive impact on your body, take an hour or 2 and read as many of Steve's posts as you can.

His suggestions reflect the ' opitmal ' approach to fitness and fat loss IMO.
 
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Hmm lets see.

Getting metabolism back to normal by eating maintenance = fail
Doing over 2 hours of exercise a day and eating 1800-2000 cals a day = fail
Going on low carbs = pass

Your methods dont work, mine do.

I'm curious, of all the calories you consume in a " low carb " day...


- what % of those calories comes from protein ?

- what % of those calories comes from carbs ?

- what % of those calories comes from fat ?
 
I don't see how somebody can explain how crappy they feel while doing something that is known to be killer on your kidneys, yet brag about how much this makes them happy. But, hey, the pursuit of happiness is in our declaration of independence, so knock yourself out. :D
 
I know this sounds quite presumptuous, but it is a story I MUST share.

<snip>

Please don't think I am bashing you...I am simply letting you know I care and I want you to be successful in your weight loss.

Just my thoughts and story!

Deanna

No, this is not a presumptuous post at all Deanna, and thank you for sharing it. There is a healthy way to lose weight, and an unhealthy way to do it.

I've done Atkins twice, and the one thing I really don't buy with this diet is cutting out fruits. In general, I think diets that rely on cutting out whole food groups are not likely to succeed.
 
Thanks very much Wrangell.

No worries.

You're one of the few posters on this ( and the fitness forum ) who not only knows what they're talking about, but imparts that knowledge in a simple, easy to understand and common sense manner.

EazyE - take note.:)
 
Send me a picture of your awe-inspiring physique when you are done.

That will be a couple of years then, im not just going to lose weight and stop.

I guess what I don't quite understand is how this is a recipe for success.

The symptoms are normal.

Let's see...


" low carbs have drained all my energy " = FAIL


" I'm tired throughout the whole day and i cant lift weights " = FAIL


" i get the symptoms of Ketosis (feeling tired, dehydrated, unable to concentrate) " = FAIL


...I'd say these adverse effects pretty much speak for themselves.




The issue isn't whether the methods " work ". To defend a method just because a method works is stupid logic IMO. Steroids work. Diet pills work. Liposuction works. Blood doping works. etc. etc.

The real issue is whether the method is healthy, sustainable ( and this alone should speak for itself ) and whether it does your body more harm / stress than good.

If you want some idea of how to find a method to do that - a method that is healthy, sustainable and has a positive impact on your body, take an hour or 2 and read as many of Steve's posts as you can.

His suggestions reflect the ' opitmal ' approach to fitness and fat loss IMO.

Nah, they are all passes, as they are symptoms of ketosis, which is the aim of the diet.
BS, how can you say his methods are optimal? Everyone is different, there is no optimal method to fatloss. He isnt a super computer that knows everything about the human body.

I don't see how somebody can explain how crappy they feel while doing something that is known to be killer on your kidneys, yet brag about how much this makes them happy. But, hey, the pursuit of happiness is in our declaration of independence, so knock yourself out. :D

Try talking to the millions that do Atkins then :D

No worries.

You're one of the few posters on this ( and the fitness forum ) who not only knows what they're talking about, but imparts that knowledge in a simple, easy to understand and common sense manner.

EazyE - take note.:)

Have taken note, but his methods didnt work with me. Some people are carb sensitive, more so than others. I think its ectomorph that is, not sure though.

And have you heard of Tom Venuto? He is also a "professional" like Steve, yet he agrees with the low carb method, and he said it works for fatloss and works for muscle build.



There.

Tom Venuto says if you dont see progress in a week, you have to change things. I hadnt seen progress for months, but now im on low carb i'm losing fat again. It works, and the symptoms i have will go once i am in Ketosis.
 
Carbs are not bad, if you are eating the proper ones.

Carbs are not bad, period, unless you eat too many and don't burn them. Carbs are the preferred energy source of the body. They are the cleanest burning if nothing else. Without carbs, you have to fuel off of protein, which produces harmful byproducts, which for some strange reason Atkins followers thinks is a good thing. What do you think fast twitch muscles fuel off of? Glycogen, which is the stored version of glucose, which is made by consuming carbs. No wonder people feel so bad they can't work out. I just can't imagine a supposedly healthy diet telling me that I can't have my potatoes, bananas, Basmati rice, apples, oranges, whole wheat pasta, or any of that. No thanks. :D

The strange thing though, is that out of all the people I have met that are conscious about their diet due to weight reasons... the heaviest people are the ones that are freaked out about carbs and at least say that they avoid them. The healthiest/thinnest people I know eat them all the time. Why is that? I've never met a healthy/skinny person who swears by Atkins. I eat enough potatoes and rice to know that carbs aren't the problem.
 
And have you heard of Tom Venuto? He is also a "professional" like Steve, yet he agrees with the low carb method, and he said it works for fatloss and works for muscle build.

Have you actually read that article and done the math that he mentions? That entire article he talks about how diets such as what you are after are absolutely insane. Even when he's restricting carbs, he's eating up to 200 grams of carbs a day. I seriously doubt that this is the same thing as what you've got in mind. Do you know how much that is? A small baked potato has less than 30 grams of carbs, and if you factor in the fiber, the effective amount is more like 25 grams. He's eating the equivalent of up to 8 of those a day. That's the same as over 4 entire cups full of basmati rice. I cook basmati rice all the time and can tell you that 3 cups will feed my entire family of 4 for dinner when cooking stir fry or jambalaya, and I still have some left over for lunch the next day. That guy is just on a whole different level than what you're talking about. Earlier in this article you said you were trying to stay below 20 grams of carbs, and Tom specificially said that when he was eating even twice that amount, he lost serious muscle mass, felt like hell, was scrawny, etc., yet you're quoting this guy and trying to use him to back up your ideas. I don't get it.
 
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Nah, they are all passes, as they are symptoms of ketosis, which is the aim of the diet.

I'm aware of that.

The fact is, your diet makes you feel lousy - you said so yourself. And as a result, sustained ketosis isn't healthy in my books. And since the the diet isn't sustainable - another thing you admit - it all gets a FAIL in my books.


BS, how can you say his methods are optimal?

Easy.

His method is the virtually the same one advocated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, The American College of Sports Medicine, The American Council on Exercise, The American Heart Association, The President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports, American Dietetic Association and many others. In a nutshell - Steve's method advocates adopting a healthy lifestyle.

Steve's ' opitmal method ' is advocating a healthy lifestyle from 3 fronts.


- Sound nutrition : Sound practices of fuelling your body to meet it's needs - which if you read a lot of Steve's posts - usually mean eating MORE, not less. But Steve advocates being an ' informed consumer ' and being your own advocate for your health - learn about calories, learn about metabolism, learn about macronutrients. Do all that and you can eat more food with confidence - whether you want to gain or lose weight.

- Maintaining healthy lean body mass / healthy body fat levels : This speaks for itself. Resistance training - whether it be with weights, straps/ bands, or bodyweight exercises. Not only to keep your metabolism strong, but to allow you to keep active as you age.

- Maintain a good cardiovascular system : Cardio. Not withstanding all the metabolic benefits cardio gives you - you want a healthy heart. It's a no-brainer.​


His method is sustainable not only for now but on an on-going basis into the future. In other words, it can be kept up day after day - all your life. Your method can't. End of story. Thus Steve's method is optimal IMO......... yours is not.

Everyone is different, there is no optimal method to fatloss.

Wrong.

If there is an ' optimal ' way to train your lactate system, an ' optimal ' way to train your aerobic system, an ' optimal ' way to train your creatine-phosphate system, and IF there is also an ' optimal ' way to train your muscles for speed, for strength, for endurance, for power, or for size - then there is also an ' optimal ' way to achieve fat loss. Read all of Steve's posts if you're curious as to what that " optimal way " is.


He isnt a super computer that knows everything about the human body.

Irrelevant - red herring - he has never made that claim.


Try talking to the millions that do Atkins then :D

I've tried - but they are...." feeling tired, dehydrated, unable to concentrate " and are too tired to talk - too few carbs I suspect.:)

Have taken note, but his methods didnt work with me. Some people are carb sensitive, more so than others. I think its ectomorph that is, not sure though.

His methods require doing some homework, some self-discipline and hard work....I'm not surprised they didn't work for you. Your method is much easier.

And have you heard of Tom Venuto? He is also a "professional" like Steve, yet he agrees with the low carb method, and he said it works for fatloss and works for muscle build.



There.

Yup.

You must mean the same Tom Venuto who also wrote this...


" 10 Lies About The Atkins Diet and The Surprising Truth That The Low Carb Gurus Don’t Want You To Know About " by Tom Venuto​




" There " :)

Tom Venuto says if you dont see progress in a week, you have to change things. I hadnt seen progress for months, but now im on low carb i'm losing fat again. It works, and the symptoms i have will go once i am in Ketosis.

Tom also says.........


" If permanent fat loss were as simple as removing carbohydrates from your diet, then why has obesity surged to an all-new high in 2003 and why are there so many Atkins failures ? "

Could it be possible that dieting is the absolute worst way to lose body fat and that the proper type of exercise program combined with a more balanced approach to nutrition is the answer?

" the proper type of exercise program combined with a more balanced approach to nutrition is the answer " - translation ??? Steve's method....see, I told you so. :)

They've got a saying in Texas........


" when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging "


...some sound advice you might want to consider.
 
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What a great post, Wrangell! Reps for that one. And I really enjoyed reading Venuto's article, too.
 
Meh, if im losing fat i dont care if its healthy or not.

Have you tried looking at that "weight yourself every day club" thread? So many people are stalling there on their plateau's, thanks to Steve's methods.

Oh and you couldnt have looked very hard, here are a few THOUSAND people to talk about Atkins to:

atkins forum - Google Search
 
Why are you using this forum?

Everything is a debate with you... you choose not to take any of the sound advice you're given. Your comment that you don't care of your weight loss is healthy or not, is disturbing, because you've been here long enough to know that healthy weight loss is a priority here.
 
Eazy, seriously, I am sick of you. You are old. Have been for quite some time now. You seek attention on here by clamoring out with your pathetic attempts of figuring out how to live this lifestyle. It is quite sad actually. I have said to others on here a while ago, that earlier, I actually felt quite bad for you. Not anymore.

If you were capable of basic comprehension of what you read, you would understand the fact that I don't have a "method" or "methods." I have certainly dished out a lot of advice on this forum. Blanket advice mostly. All of it based on sound scientific facts of what we currently know to be true with regards to the human body.

If you don't buy some of what I say, that is fine with me. But keep it to yourself and don't go around saying "Steve's methods don't work." Because:

1) Again, I don't have one particular method.

2) Any advice I give is not based solely on my own empirical evidence. I have learned from the best in the field. Read all of the research. And most importantly, when I trained, I GOT RESULTS with my clients. All of them. You have learned what KETOSIS is and for some reason think it is the holy grail with regards to losing weight. And better yet, you don't fully understand ketosis and how it works.

So stop the nonsense. You found what seems to work for you in your opinion. If you define "works" as feeling like crap and not exercising just to see the number on the scale go down, I am very happy for you. I could have told you how to do that from day one without all the run-around.

And I will be waiting for that picture.
 
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