McCain or Obama?
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edco76
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A friend I have from Holland sent me this email a few months ago. I thought it was interesting to see his take being in another country.
*Language Warning*
We in Holland cannot figure out why you are even bothering to hold an
election in the US.
On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a lawyer,
campaigning against a lawyer who is married to a bitch who is a lawyer.
On the other side, you have a true war hero married to a woman with a
huge chest who owns a beer distributorship.
Is there a contest here?
*Language Warning*
We in Holland cannot figure out why you are even bothering to hold an
election in the US.
On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a lawyer,
campaigning against a lawyer who is married to a bitch who is a lawyer.
On the other side, you have a true war hero married to a woman with a
huge chest who owns a beer distributorship.
Is there a contest here?
edco76
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Well I believe the access to information today makes that harder and harder. It is hard to be inspiring when so much info is available. On the surface these 2 candidates seem inspiring. A former war hero and a black, charismatic speaker. However when you look a little closer you find that being a war hero is about all McCain has going for him and that despite all of Obama's talk of change and new ways. In a 20 year political career, if you look at his legislative record he has not really done anything but be a line towing party member. Not to mention he has some pretty shady associations.
Neither for me, I can't vote for either and still be able to sleep at night. I'm not willing to put up with another minute of republican reign and my gut tells me Obama isn't right for the job. I don't think it will matter because I have doubts that America will elect an African American president so I'd look for JM to win. I'll eat crow if it doesn't happen that way but I'll be looking for Hilary to say "I told you so" in Nov.
JDhd
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I'm Canadian, so I only have a passing interest in the election, but with that preacher Obama is so found of saying some pretty crazy things, I would have to question whether Obama is really the best candidate.
I don't know the first thing about McCain other than the fact that he tried to ban Mixed Martial Arts. Since I'm a huge MMA fan, I wouldn't want to vote for him either if I were American.
These aren't pivotal issues for candidacy; however, their choices lead me to question their judgment. How could anyone be comfortable voting for someone whose judgment is seriously lacking?
Where's Ralph Nader? lol jk
I don't know the first thing about McCain other than the fact that he tried to ban Mixed Martial Arts. Since I'm a huge MMA fan, I wouldn't want to vote for him either if I were American.
These aren't pivotal issues for candidacy; however, their choices lead me to question their judgment. How could anyone be comfortable voting for someone whose judgment is seriously lacking?
Where's Ralph Nader? lol jk
sensa516
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I guess my big issue is I wish more people (especially my generation) would care. It bothers me that my generation has the mtv effect vote for so and so because mtv said so or it's trendy with this celeb. I don't know maybe I'm weird and take things too seriously in certain areas but people have this belief that politics don't effect them as much as they actually do. My biggest pet peeve is when someone complains about the way something is and then you can simply ask...did you vote? Chances are they didn't. I'm not saying one vote changes the world but something is better than nothing. If enough of those my vote doesn't matter people voted...it would matter. Yes I know I'm ranting. 
Why I like Obama...he's new, charismatic, candid and when he speaks I believe him. he publicly denounced the reverend...
McCain = another 4 years of Bush style politics. nuff said
Clinton = too much baggage, not believable, seems more like a same old same old....circa the 90s.
McCain = another 4 years of Bush style politics. nuff said
Clinton = too much baggage, not believable, seems more like a same old same old....circa the 90s.
JDhd
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Honestly, that's all he can do in his situation. Unfortunately, I don't think anything can reverse the fact that he found enough respect for the reverend to quote him in his book and attend his church for years. It's a valid issue, not in the sense that Obama himself may believe in those same things exactly, but he has, for years, supported a man who holds those beliefs and that would indicate he has some sort of interest in the reverend's ideas.
I'm not saying McCain would be any better, nor does it really matter to me anyway, since I'm Canadian, but I don't think the reverend dealy can be swept under the carpet.
edco76
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Obama is a great speaker and nothing more. The media to this point has chosen to overlook all his dirt and I am not sure how long that will be the case.
The whole reverand Wright thing was ignored for almost a year and was forced into coverage.
Obama is a "new" kind of candidate only in the sense that I can't remember another candidate who has managed to have close relationships with admitted and non-repentant terrorists (Ayers and Dorhn). Radical , hate speaking, and racist religious leaders (Wright, Farakhan) and as if kanoodling around with people who either hate America, hate white people or both wasnt enough. You can also throw in the the fact that he is #8 on The Judicial Watch's ten most corrupt politicans list. His "non-profit" Chicago hospital is considered one of the most corrupt non-profit organizations in the country. Throw in a Federal corruption trial for a real estate scandal for good measure.
Yeah, that is exactly the kind of change we could use in the White House.
The whole reverand Wright thing was ignored for almost a year and was forced into coverage.
Obama is a "new" kind of candidate only in the sense that I can't remember another candidate who has managed to have close relationships with admitted and non-repentant terrorists (Ayers and Dorhn). Radical , hate speaking, and racist religious leaders (Wright, Farakhan) and as if kanoodling around with people who either hate America, hate white people or both wasnt enough. You can also throw in the the fact that he is #8 on The Judicial Watch's ten most corrupt politicans list. His "non-profit" Chicago hospital is considered one of the most corrupt non-profit organizations in the country. Throw in a Federal corruption trial for a real estate scandal for good measure.
Yeah, that is exactly the kind of change we could use in the White House.
sensa516
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One thing that bothers me when people harp on McCain for being "for the war" is that unlike most people who say that...he's actually paid the price personally when it comes to war. He knows the true cost. People compare withdrawing the troops to leaving Vietnam when in fact it's very different. Vietnam had some sort of structure to fall back on. We completely destroyed the infastructure to Iraq. Do I think we can leave and have it be a happy ending in the future? No but can contribute something to aid the transition. I think once there is a major troop reduction Iraq will enter a civil war. A brief study of history is all you need to figure that one out. How soon people forget that even our own country had a civil war after fighting for independence. I believe he also understands the sensitve nature of the situation. While I don't agree with his initial vote to go into Iraq I do support him after the fact. People are too busy debating who voted for what based on faulty intel when fact of the matter is that can't be changed and we need to deal with the situation at hand.
