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On May 3rd I plan to compete in Grappler's Quest. I currently walk around at 170. Last night, after not eating or drinking after 10, I weighed myself 13 hours later at ~165. I will be training hard, but it will be grappling more than lifting. I need to get my technique better before the competition. I have been training everyday, but I only record my lifts here.

This is my first competition and I've never experienced cutting weight or making any sort of weight class. Lightweights are 150-159. Welterweights are 160-169. I want to ask those of you reading this whether or not you believe I should begin metabolic training to attempt to get down to 159 or if I should continue trying to get stronger. Which do you think will be more taxing by the time competition rolls around? My style is such that I can very effectively bully those who are lighter than me with strength. If I try to get to 159 I imagine I will be stronger than most of the fighters in the weight class.
 
Go 159. May 3rd is 13 days away, plenty of time for cutting 6 lbs. Do you have 24 hour weigh ins?

When you are that close to a weight class go for it.
 
G and Trev, do you think I should change my lifting to circuit lifting, or do you think I'll actually have to...you know...diet? Weigh ins are at 11 AM sharp the day of competition. Should I just try to fast and dehydrate myself all day Friday? Do you think that will get me down to lightweights?
 
Phate, OH squats are *****es. Apparently evo uses them to judge where the postural/strength imbalances are in his athletes. If you're falling over, maybe you have some. Try getting the bar to travel as far back as possible. So your arms are cranked far back and your chest is puffed out. Keep your head up and your chest puffed out through the entire movement.
 
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Phate, OH squats are *****es. Apparently evo uses them to judge where the postural/strength imbalances are in his athletes. If you're falling over, maybe you have some. Try getting the bar to travel as far back as possible. So your arms are cranked far back and your chest is puffed out. Keep your head up and your chest puffed out through the entire movement.
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Will try, is it common to use light weights for OH squats..or are people still supposed to be squatting with 200lbs over their head...lol
 
do you think I should change my lifting to circuit lifting, or do you think I'll actually have to...you know...diet?
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I would diet. You should not have to dehydrate yourself with 13 days left. Since weigh ins are the day of, dehydrating will make things more challenging.
 
Since your trying to cut weight, i thought this might be of use to you. Bookmarked it a while back

What follows is a brief summary of the process I have successfully used to cut up to 30 lbs in less than 24 hours. (I went from 250 lbs to 219 lbs for the 2007 Arnold in 22 hours.) I put it all back on in less than a day too. I did this without any type of diuretics or IVs. It was all done entirely through sweating to lose the weight and drinking/eating to replenish it. This process was designed for competitions with a 24-hour weigh in period prior to the competition.

Now, I won’t kid you. This process is difficult and requires a great deal of desire, discipline, and pain tolerance. It’s exhausting, very uncomfortable, and certainly not beneficial to your health. However, I feel it’s one of the safer methods for cutting a substantial amount of weight in a short period of time because it doesn’t require any drugs (prescription or over-the-counter) and it uses the body’s natural cooling mechanism (sweating) to achieve the weight reduction. A 10 percent body weight reduction can be achieved easily and safely, and I’ve personally used this method to cut up to 15 percent of my body weight in less than 24 hours. Going above that amount significantly increases the risk to your health, and I don’t recommend it. Remember, athletes have died from excessive dehydration while trying to make weight so this shouldn’t be taken lightly.
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Matt Kroc rocks. Yeah, that article and his other one on cutting weight were my main sources of info on this stuff. I probably won't drink the night before, but I won't try to get myself almost-dead dehydrated.

Okay...so I guess I'm going to have to diet...that sucks. I was enjoying eating whatever the hell I wanted. So I'm guessing I have to lose about 6 lbs to get safely to lightweights. That sounds like I might have to do something more drastic than cutting out sweets. What have you guys done to make weight in context similar to this?
 
Will do.

Ah, about the oh squats...yeah it's rare to see people OH squat the same weight as they would be if the bar touched their body. But then again, it's rare to see OH squats, period. I would imagine oly lifters OH squat as a supplemental exercise to the snatch, if they even separate the exercises. Because, what's the point of OH squatting more weight than you can snatch?
 
OH squats PWN. I'm on an oly program right now, I don't do OH squats but I do snatches and snatch balances. No need for me to overhead squat a weight I can't drop under, catch and get balanced.
 
No need for me to overhead squat a weight I can't drop under, catch and get balanced.
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Either that or OH squatting more will help you stabilize the weights you snatch a LOT better.

Devils Advocate. :D
 
yeah that is true. I'm not saying it is useless. But I don't think you should train your OH squat very much if it is much higher than your snatch. Wouldn't things like snatch balance be better for stabilization since you have to drop under the bar?

You devil :p
 
But I don't think you should train your OH squat very much if it is much higher than your snatch.
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It certainly is not going to hurt.

Wouldn't things like snatch balance be better for stabilization since you have to drop under the bar?
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Both are good exercises. I have done a lot of -

Snatch Balance + 3 Overhead Squats.

You get the "getting under the bar" training. As well as getting used to holding the weight over your head.

You can do the same with the snatch.

Snatch + 3 Overhead Squats.

Again, it helps to get used to having the weight overhead.

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yeah, I've been thinking about starting doing some overhead squats, but I don't know if they would do me much good right now. All that my problem is is getting under the bar and balancing it. maybe when I get better at catching.

I'm on a pre made program now, but when that ends I think I'll keep the basic outlines but change some things.

what do you think about concentric front squats (starting with the bar down on the pins) to help the clean? I've been thinking about starting doing them since I have a problem getting up out of the hole on the clean. I've heard they are suppose to help.
 
huh? who said that. OHS and front squat are two different exercises, they won't give the same advantages and require a bit different skill. Of course, both are squats and need leg strength, but in the OHS you also need to stabilize the weight overhead.
It will also depend what you want. Do you want leg size? want to get better at the clean? etc, etc.
 
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