calitoker90
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Every one loses weight a diffrent weight there is no right or wrong. I say if your losing weight your doing something right.
How to keep my calories adequate?
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Regardless of cold chills, headaches, or memory lapses? I guess those things don't matter as long as you're losing weight?
Corn, I was about to applaud you for your response to me above. It was a well thought out presentation of the well-known reasons why people are fat nowadays.
You certainly are missing the psychological aspects, which IMO, is the driving factor behind obesity. We all know the facts.
What most are looking for now are answers.
Then you go and make your last post in response to Tom where you cherry-picked the hell out of Julie's original post to prove your point. On top of that you added your
as you always do when in a discussion/debate as if it makes the other person look bad.....
Once or twice, fine. Everytime you get in a debate though, haha.... it turns into a joke.
If you really think a woman Julie's size can be experiencing symptoms of starvation eating 2000ish calories per day with her energy expenditure.... you are sorely mistaken my friend. Come on. Cherry-picking is for the birds.
You certainly are missing the psychological aspects, which IMO, is the driving factor behind obesity. We all know the facts.
What most are looking for now are answers.
Then you go and make your last post in response to Tom where you cherry-picked the hell out of Julie's original post to prove your point. On top of that you added your
as you always do when in a discussion/debate as if it makes the other person look bad.....Once or twice, fine. Everytime you get in a debate though, haha.... it turns into a joke.
If you really think a woman Julie's size can be experiencing symptoms of starvation eating 2000ish calories per day with her energy expenditure.... you are sorely mistaken my friend. Come on. Cherry-picking is for the birds.
I don't really agree with that either.
Most people go about losing weight incorrectly.
Losing weight and losing fat are worlds apart. One is right and one is not. You decide.
Steve, I'm a jokester. I use sarcasm in a friendly way. Apparently you still haven't picked up on that. Not trying to make anybody look bad, I'm just not all serious with my panties in a wad like some people here are. Lighten up a little. Every time we debate anything at all, you act like it's interesting and you're just trying to learn, but you pepper every last one of them with sly comments that border on personal insults. Why is that? If anything can be labeled as "getting old", it's that.
As for cherry picking Tom's comments... the part that I was referring to... I kind of got the impression that there were more people than just Tom thinking that same thing or else I wouldn't have quoted that. I don't go around and quote random meaningless things like you're saying. If I did, crap, I had a four page post from you that I'm sure I could have found something.
As for cherry picking Tom's comments... the part that I was referring to... I kind of got the impression that there were more people than just Tom thinking that same thing or else I wouldn't have quoted that. I don't go around and quote random meaningless things like you're saying. If I did, crap, I had a four page post from you that I'm sure I could have found something.
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It just seemed like she was listening to her spreadsheet more than listening to her body, and I got the impression that the end results still weren't optimum. It appeared as if she was absolutely beating herself up, causing unnecessary stress, and still not being happy, as she did mention feeling cold, having headaches, etc. But hey, if crunching numbers on a spreadsheet works for you, knock yourself out. Personally, I'd rather listen to my body. If I feel like hell to the point of having memory failure, have cold chills, and have headaches due to low blood sugar, and this makes me obviously be concerned that I'm not getting enough calories... screw a spreadsheet, I'm going to eat something. But hey, that's just me.
Perhaps you should consider the possibility that doing a spreadsheet IS in fact a way for us to listen to our bodies. One of the psychological aspects of being fat, after all, is that you forget how to listen to the signals your body is sending you.
Again, I'm not advocating my way for everyone. But it works for me. Why? Because when I record all my data, it puts me back in touch with my body. I know it probably sounds totally weird to someone like you, but I feel MUCH more confident every day knowing my weight, my blood pressure, my resting pulse, and how many calories I've consumed.
Yes, all this data can make one go crazy at times. But people who DON'T record all their data and have a lot of weight to lose go crazy at times as well. After all, as Steve constantly points out, losing weight is not a linear process - neither physiologically nor psychologically. Freaking out, and then recovering (as opposed to giving up), is all a part of the struggle.
I freak out at times along with everyone else. But my data helps me recover. Today, for example, I am up almost 3 pounds from last Tuesday. But I'm calm about it. Why? Because I know I have a deficit of 3,000 calories over the past 4 days, and I can look at my weight loss graph and see "blips" like this all along the way.
It's great that for you, listening to your body is an instinctive process. But for me, it's not. But please don't think that I'm running away from that by keeping a spreadsheet. In fact, it's exactly the opposite. And I suspect that's true with a lot of other people who record a lot of data.
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She said that she feels exactly the same way as when she grossly underate. She said she's eating an average of 1870 calories a day but the range she mentioned can dip down to 1,700. She's sometimes burning up 900 in her exercise sessions, not counting the calories that are getting burned after the workout. Any way you cut it, that leaves her with less than 1,000 a day to exist on, potentially significantly less if you consider the low range of 1,700 and consider calories burned after the workout. That's less than 800 a day to exist on. So you're saying that these symptoms are impossible to get if you're trying to exist on less than 800 calories a day? I was under the impression that this was more than possible. In fact, it seemed rather obvious, but maybe I'm totally wrong.
I hate to get personal here, but it looks like it's heading down that path....
My fault too, but since we're here, let's walk a little.
You're right. I'm real slow, so give me some time Corn. You fast thinkers leave me trying to catch up constantly.
Funny thing is, I don't get why so many people privately message me either through PM or rep about you and your negativity.
It's strange.
You'd think if MANY people weren't picking up on your "jokester" ways.... your jokes might be a little off.
But again, slow thinker here. Let me get back to you on that one.
Great point. You deserve an A in debate skills.
Not that you'd have any interest, but the majority of my posts on this forum are far from serious. I might make 15 posts per day. 11 of them are sarcastic or friendly. The remainder are informational.
My panties are far from "in a wad."
When I'm discussing a serious topic like the one in this thread, you damn well better believe I am going to behave *seriously.* There is a time and place.
You rubbed me the wrong way right from the get-go in this thread with your fallacious reasoning. It would appear I'm not alone either.
Take note:
If I wanted to "learn" something, you'd be very low on the mentor list. Thanks for the offer though.
Exaggerations will get you nowhere with me.
And the few times I do this..... take the hint.
Sorry you feel that way.
BUDDY.
Who said this?
Oh, don't tell me a reading comprehension problem exists! Maybe that's the root of all these misunderstandings!!!!
I said this:
Huh?
Yea, making up things that I said isn't going to work. Maybe in your social circles this works. Not here.
I never said anything like this.
Hint: Try slowing down a bit.
Funny, that post went over well with many others.
My fault too, but since we're here, let's walk a little.
You're right. I'm real slow, so give me some time Corn. You fast thinkers leave me trying to catch up constantly.
Funny thing is, I don't get why so many people privately message me either through PM or rep about you and your negativity.
It's strange.
You'd think if MANY people weren't picking up on your "jokester" ways.... your jokes might be a little off.
But again, slow thinker here. Let me get back to you on that one.
Great point. You deserve an A in debate skills.
Not that you'd have any interest, but the majority of my posts on this forum are far from serious. I might make 15 posts per day. 11 of them are sarcastic or friendly. The remainder are informational.
My panties are far from "in a wad."
When I'm discussing a serious topic like the one in this thread, you damn well better believe I am going to behave *seriously.* There is a time and place.
You rubbed me the wrong way right from the get-go in this thread with your fallacious reasoning. It would appear I'm not alone either.
Take note:
If I wanted to "learn" something, you'd be very low on the mentor list. Thanks for the offer though.
Exaggerations will get you nowhere with me.
And the few times I do this..... take the hint.
Sorry you feel that way.
BUDDY.
Who said this?
Oh, don't tell me a reading comprehension problem exists! Maybe that's the root of all these misunderstandings!!!!
I said this:
Huh?
Yea, making up things that I said isn't going to work. Maybe in your social circles this works. Not here.
I never said anything like this.
Hint: Try slowing down a bit.
Funny, that post went over well with many others.
Haha, again... the cherry-picking.
You're right, she's having a net "calorie-bank" of 800 calories each and every single day.
Please don't tell me you think acute calorie balances are what matter in the grand scheme of things.
And let's let the facts speak for themselves.
On her lowest days.... she's taking in 11, closer to 12 calories per pound... far from extreme!
There isn't a whole lot of "excess energy burn" with the majority of her workouts.
She's lost a whopping 15 lbs since January.
If she was starving... this wouldn't be the case.
Metabolic deficiencies maybe? But that's yet to be determined. She did say she dieted using "too low" of an intake rather recently.
calitoker90
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Ok so pretty much just because he doesnt think the same way as you and doesnt use calorie counting as a way to lose weight your gonna nit pick and bully on him hey if its working for him let him do it tha way.
WIth that said I would believe what the guy that looks like a body builder says over corndoggy but still.
Are you kidding me?
Point is here ----------------------->.
x <------------------------- You are here.
The entire point of all this discussion was Corn's inability to see that his way is not the "right" way for everyone. My original post highlighted this fact very, very clearly.... there is more than one way to succeed and it happens to be very individual on a person-to-person basis.
Either you didn't read it or your comprehension sucks.
Don't let looks fool ya. I know plenty of people that look phenomenal and I wouldn't take advice from them even if they were paying me.
Heck, maybe I'm one of them!
You ought to, because everybody here knows that the bodybuilder looking guy is the only person here that's smart enough to be able to get lean enough to flaunt an obvious 6-pack shamelessly. Oh, how I wish I could use my little friendly sarcasm icon here but I'll refrain. Damn, I miss that thing already.
As for the rest of it... jeez... nevermind. My original post was just trying to save a girl from beating herself up so bad, which was apparently horrible reasoning. I'll know better next time. I normally don't advocate the method of not counting, but it looked like maybe she was a good candidate to try it, as she was beating herself up and apparently was still unhappy.
If I truly thought that this would work for everybody, wouldn't I mention it all the time??? Wouldn't I just go around spreading the gospel to everyone I ran into or typed to or talked to if I really thought it was that simple and everybody could be thin by doing this? Ah, let's see, which icon is appropriate here... ah yes, this one is cool.
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Yes, used to be. I don't tell people that I've seen something work unless I've been through it myself.
BEFORE: I used to weigh 196 with alot less muscle than now. I couldn't even finish a 6 mile trail on a mountain bike. I could only run 3/4 of a mile. I wore a size 36 waist pants but that's just because I sucked in my gut as much as possible. I was more like a 38.
NOW: I weigh 160. Actually got down to 153 but I've purposely bulked a little over the past few months. I can mountain bike 8 hours straight. I can race as hard as I can over 90% max heart rate for 2 hours straight. I can run 8 miles. Anything over a size 30 waist falls off me. 30's are comfy, I'm actually smaller than that. I have to wear size small shorts or else I look like I'm wearing MC Hammer pants. I've got a 6-pack and I'm throwing around 50 pound dumbbells. It would be hard to be much happier with my progress.
Trust me, I know it's hard.
EDIT: This post looks kinda funny now because the post I quoted was deleted.
calitoker90
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There is a question now who to listen to the guy who has been where I am and lost weight or the expert its a tough decision but liike I said before everybody isnt gonna lose weight the same.
Juliette1
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Thanks a million! Now I have a basis for my math... It's good to see the different ways to calculate this next to each other.
Good to know that. I think I'll do that at least for the days of high energy expenditure. I'd much rather feel well every day than lose weight this fast. (I understand that not everyone considers my weight-loss overall to be very rapid. The last 24 days and 4 pounds have however been surprisingly fast for me.)
Not currently. I've taken it easy for yesterday and today. If I get the same symptoms again, I will. Thanks for your concern for my well-being.
Safety is my main concern. The next on the line is my feeling of my own well-being. As I'm already in the 'normal' zone in my BMI, I am more committed to feeling and being healthy and fit than actual further weight-loss. As I mentioned in my original post, I truly enjoy the exercise I'm doing now, so I will definitely adjust my cals to suit my current motivation and goals.
This is where it gets linguistically tricky. I don't know how to translate all of my weights exercises in English. I'll try (if something seems fishy, it's most likely to be a language mistake):
This is what I've been doing this month (after 4 months of no regular weight training), adding weights as I've been able to:
Leg press 70 kg 3*15
Back bench to the max*3
Abs gym ball to the max*3
Chest fly 4 kg DB 10-15*3
Chin dip assisted -13 10-15*3
Upright row 13 kg BB 15*3
Biceps curl with twist 6 kg DB 12-15*3
Rope pushdown 20 kg 10-15*3
Not very impressive, eh... That has been designed to strengthen the upper body muscles that my work strains the most and which are very 'unbalanced', if you know what I mean. I hold a 1.2 kg object resting mostly on my right hand in front of me in a funny position many hours a day...
I have a meeting with my trainer on next Monday to update&change that a bit. I had a brief discussion with her on Wednesday, and I'm guessing we'll go lower rep, higher weight.
Thanks! I'm currently adding a bit of red wine to the mix...
I did not present a "specific way of doing things."
I said, best bet is to start by making better food choices. See if you can manage the self-regulatory route. It's the easiest if it works for you.
If it doesn't, you are going to have to add more detail to your approach.
And this is very goal dependent. If you want to look like a fitness model, you are going to have to get your hands real dirty. If you want to lose 50 lbs.... simply modifying some lifestyle habits is most likely enough at first. If you only have 10 lbs to lose (meaning you are already relatively light), you more than likely are going to need more than the self-regulatory approach.
Just my .02 cents.
Thanks! I'm currently adding a bit of red wine to the mix...
Excellent choice... it made me feel great last night... today, not so much.
I drank an entire bottle. I was out of whiskey. LOL. Oh these stressful responsible adult problems, I wish it was nineteen eighty something again.
EDIT: Note to anybody reading this... don't do that.