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Fact of religious discussions...
Non believers need proof... Christians don't.
Christians have accepted Jesus Christ in their life, thats all the proof we need. Its pointless to tell Christians that there is no heaven or hell, or judgement day isn't coming, or the Messiah either has already or is not coming. We don't listen to that because we have faith. Its faith that keeps us going, we don't need miracles, we don't need to "see" or "hear" God, We let God steer our lives. We know that He doesn't give us too much to handle and we have the free will to do whatever we want, we also know that He will take care of us.
If someone doesn't believe that Jesus died for our sins and that God exists, thats their decision. I'll keep believing in what I believe.
Non believers need proof... Christians don't.
Christians have accepted Jesus Christ in their life, thats all the proof we need. Its pointless to tell Christians that there is no heaven or hell, or judgement day isn't coming, or the Messiah either has already or is not coming. We don't listen to that because we have faith. Its faith that keeps us going, we don't need miracles, we don't need to "see" or "hear" God, We let God steer our lives. We know that He doesn't give us too much to handle and we have the free will to do whatever we want, we also know that He will take care of us.
If someone doesn't believe that Jesus died for our sins and that God exists, thats their decision. I'll keep believing in what I believe.
Im sorry but when someone claims something it is them that needs proof. Of course we cant disprove so that would be rather pointless, however, just because we cant prove something doesnt automaticaly mean that gods existance is about equally likely and unlikely.
Your mention of God sounds more like a metaphor. As far as im concerned religion is outdated, i guess its just a few that possess critical thinking
Question, Were you born (you to 2hot4you) into a religious family?
I completely disagree. I believe most athiest and so on do not choose so much as they just follow what feels right. They simply can not believe. No matter how hard they try no matter how hard they are preached to. Even if they want to. I believe it is impossible for most atheist and so on to believe. I place doubt on this "choice", yes to some extent it is for some. But, its only because we are doing what feels right to us. As you are with your "Faith".
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As Tupac once said, "Why am i dying to live when im just living to die" When i first look at that quote i think to myself, wow, im not going to be here forever, being dead is gonna suck! But knowing that there is a heaven that i will be able to resort to when my days are done is comforting. Now im not going to say that Christianaity is better than atheism or another religion, but wouldn't you feel better if you believed that there was life after death?
Yes, I was, but I did go through a period of wondering what my beliefs really were and why. I really took a long look at myself as a person and of all that I believe and I tell you what. My life had LESS meaning, MORE conflict, MORE trouble and LESS happiness. Why? Because I was without God. My life was empty, despite the fact that I gave birth to my first child and got married. I CHOSE to go back to church after my 2nd child was born and I have never been happier. My life is fuller, more meaningful since I "rediscovered" my faith.
I feel badly for those who cannot have the same kind of peace that I have. True, those people may think they are happy and such, but everything they have, everything they see exists because of God. It's their choice whether or not they want to acknowledge that.
Stay humble
"Why is it that our greatest geniuses — Gell-Mann, Feynman, Newton—can humbly concede how pitifully limited is the reach of deep human insight and comprehension while lesser spirits noisily proclaim the certainty of their conclusions and forcefully dismiss dissent, doubt, or skepticism?"
- james n. gardner
"Why is it that our greatest geniuses — Gell-Mann, Feynman, Newton—can humbly concede how pitifully limited is the reach of deep human insight and comprehension while lesser spirits noisily proclaim the certainty of their conclusions and forcefully dismiss dissent, doubt, or skepticism?"
- james n. gardner
That same comfort you say you feel would exist whether god existed or not. Do you beleive terrorist who kill people and themselves really go to allah who sees them as heroes, the terrorists have comfort in thinking that they will have a better life afterwards, but of course this isnt true...is it. Alot of people choose to beleive in god because it makes them feel better, not all of course but many who are emotionally fragile or poeple with insecurities, having their faith gives them hope & comfort.
Funny, I've always kindof felt sorry for people who believed in god. Kindof like they needed something to make their lives meaningful cause they couldn't do so themselves.
But that's me and quite honestly I don't really care what other people believe in. I was an atheist before I even knew that there was a word to describe not having faith. Everybody I knew while I was growing up believed in god and somehow by myself I came to the conclusion that there was no god. It doesn't get much more real than that for me. It feels good to know that I'm alone too. That probably sounds odd to some but it's nice to know that it's just me and whatever it is that I choose to make out of life
To me that's zen.~Nicole
Matt, I think your ideas on the role religion plays are somewhat flawed. To say it is outdated is to say that it's therefore useless...
The fact of the matter is, yes, religion is a massive controlling agent, but to say that it has no worth today is to deny all those who are genuinely happier or have lived fuller lives through the name of religion. Let's be honest, religion is the moral compass for millions. Without it, you can argue that they would find a means to live with society, but it would be equal to the chance that they would NOT. The only thing you CAN do is accredit religion where it's due.
Morals aren't the only place where religion has had uses in today's society.
The fact of the matter is, yes, religion is a massive controlling agent, but to say that it has no worth today is to deny all those who are genuinely happier or have lived fuller lives through the name of religion. Let's be honest, religion is the moral compass for millions. Without it, you can argue that they would find a means to live with society, but it would be equal to the chance that they would NOT. The only thing you CAN do is accredit religion where it's due.
Morals aren't the only place where religion has had uses in today's society.
I totally agree. The problem is, this is more prevalent than you may think. It's not just one or two who are preaching this crap to a dozen or so people...it seems to be a relgion-wide philosophy. The problem I have is that this philosophy is a logical, albeit somewhat extreme extension of the original idea.
And in the end, the problem I have is still with organized religion for pressing these ideals onto people, even when they know in their hearts that it's wrong.
It sounds like you are saying that purpose of religion is to control the masses. You are saying that without it people may live without morals and be unable to live in a society. So they need religion to control them to stay in some kind of moral structure.
So i guess it still serves a purpose to this day.
~Nicole
The purpose of religion is to yes, control people.
However, I am NOT saying that "without it people may live without morals and be unable to live in a society." In fact, I stated that either or is equally plausible. The fact is you will NEVER know if people will lead the same lives had it not been for religion. All you DO know is that religion is accredited to make their lives reportedly fuller and happier. I don't think that's particularly a BAD thing, unless you want to get into the magnitudes of control in proportion to the happiness.
I mean, just HOW much control is okay? Is an infinite amount of control okay as long as you're happy? Or would you rather all external control be infintessimal, but be totally sad?
In the end, it's a personal choice. As long as the people IN control don't get out of hand...there ain't goin to be no 1984 AirStrip One **** on my watch.
However, I am NOT saying that "without it people may live without morals and be unable to live in a society." In fact, I stated that either or is equally plausible. The fact is you will NEVER know if people will lead the same lives had it not been for religion. All you DO know is that religion is accredited to make their lives reportedly fuller and happier. I don't think that's particularly a BAD thing, unless you want to get into the magnitudes of control in proportion to the happiness.
I mean, just HOW much control is okay? Is an infinite amount of control okay as long as you're happy? Or would you rather all external control be infintessimal, but be totally sad?
In the end, it's a personal choice. As long as the people IN control don't get out of hand...there ain't goin to be no 1984 AirStrip One **** on my watch.