Fasting!

Steve53 said:
It was a pilot study, which are by definition small and preliminary, and the folks were all volunteers that I got out of an ad. Sorry that is not more glamorous!

What they ate didn't matter to me, as I was not counting calories or keeping track of their exercise. I WANTED them to eat whatever they wanted to eat, and as much as they wanted. Exercise was up to them.

The point was to see how an enforced morning fast effected those subjective individual parameters.

My hypothesis was that when people were forced to work in the morning with an empty stomach, that over time they would get "used" to it, and it would effect other factors in food consumption- such as hunger cravings, feeling of satiety, and how much they could eat.

And I was correct.

Remember, too, that in the morning your body is in the "fat-burning" mode. By fasting until noon or so, you are extending that fat-burning process, and burning calories that way.

People reported feeling less stressed out, reduced cravings for high-calorie carbs, sleeping better. One man even reported a reduced craving for alcohol!

I would like people on this board to try it and report back.

I have written a book about this that goes into detail on the study and the physiology behind it, and it also debunks the whole media-driven perception that we need to eat first thing in the morning.

I would like to tell you the name of the book, and the name I wrote it under, but San and Omega are just itching for a reason to ban me from this board, so I won't!
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Oh ho! You've written a book have you? What's the name of it so I can read up on this "pilot study"? Is it even published or did whoever you pitched it to throw it out because your hypothesis was wrong?

Again, skipping a meal doesn't contribute to anything. I want to know exactly how many people were in your study and exactly many people claimed exactly what (each factor you're trying to prove). If you can't give numbers, then stop spreading your false information.

You're nothing but a laugh, trying to hoc a method to people that is guaranteed to fail. Why is it guaranteed to fail? Because skipping a single meal then allowing oneself to eat whatever one wants for eight hours simply does not work. Simply skipping a meal will not change one's cravings.

I've done IF myself for awhile. It was NOTHING like your method, however. And while I did see a change in my weight, I saw no change in my cravings whatsoever. That's because skipping meals doesn't affect what food you crave or don't crave. It simply doesn't work like that.

You're horribly misinformed at worst and a huge laugh at best.
 
There are pilot studies on pubmed...

google pubmed pilot studies to see some...

Please link yours...
 
Oh trust me, I'm laughing. I'm laughing that you cannot give any straight answers to specific questions posed to you. And I'm laughing that you're deflecting when you know you've been found out for the fraud you are.
 
And yet you still won't answer any of our questions. Even the simplest one of all that had nothing to do with your study and participants.

What do you eat during your 8 hours of eating anything you want?
 
I can confirm that Steve53 claims to be a medical physician. I havent actually seen any evidence that proves it though.

LOL I can actually put up a much more convincing argument (than we have seen from Steve) that demonstrates that I am

http://www.bris.ac.uk/social-community-medicine/people/margaret-t-may/index.html

and that is not me...

Check this document (from when I gave my ongoing medical records to scientific research via the UK biobank project) in my album including the date that it was loaded which was quite a few months ago.

http://weight-loss.fitness.com/album.php?albumid=536&attachmentid=20493
 
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I don't want to be rude to anyone here, but this is the second thread on which the discussion has changed from the main subject the thread was made for, to discussing Steve's theories and credibility.

Yes, this thread is about fasting, but the focus of it is shifting towards Steve's credibility.

Something similar happened on this thread, too; http://weight-loss.fitness.com/threads/60198-My-Weight-Loss-Plan

On that thread, the OP wanted advice for her weight loss plan, that was discussed on the first posts, but the focus changed to discussing how unhealthy her current diet was (even though that point was already made), and instead of moving forward and offer a constructive advice (that was done until post #8), the discussion just got stuck on how bad it was, and how what Steve said did or didn't make sense.

I do hope that all the "debate" on that thread wasn't the reason that discouraged the OP from further posting.

I believe something similar is happening here. We aren't discussing fasting here. The only thing that was discussed here was Steve's approach to Intermittent fasting and how it does or doesn't make sense.
 
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I skipped breakfast consistently for the better part of 15 years, and didn't eat between about 7 pm and 11 am. I was in a very physical job and on my feet for about 8 - 10 hours straight per day. I usually ate just one main meal per day, and grazed on whatever was lying around. During that time, I ballooned to almost 400 lbs. Now explain to me again how not having breakfast makes you lose weight. And I'm not the only one. I know several people who skip breakfast on a regular basis, and had all their food in a small period of time, then going between 8 and 10 hours without food - all of them have struggled with their weight at some point.

Show me a study with thousands of results, long term, medically documented, scientifically explained, and widely accepted with cohesive data, which proves that not having breakfast is going to miraculously rewire the human brain. Please do. And I do not mean your own - it's too small to have any real meaning, and let's face it, we have absolutely no credible data about how it was conducted, who conducted it and so on. I'd like to see a real proof, not something biased, and it seems, other people would like to see it to.
 
LOL - we still havent heard how many people were in it... whether there were 7 people or whether there were 8 people.

Still no pubmed link...
 
Steve53 said:
The tag team strikes again!

Well, San, with all due respect, I think you probably ate quite a bit more than you let on, and did not strictly follow the protocol consistently.

The key to losing weight is to be honest with yourself.
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According to you, what I ate in the time I did eat doesn't matter. You're contradicting yourself, as per usual.

And I love how, every time you are told that people did what you suggest, and the outcome isn't what you think it should be, or somebody challenges you, you accuse people of lying. Every single time. Apart from it being pretty rude, it's also ridiculous. It's the slightly more eloquent version of saying 'I'm right and you're wrong, because I said so!'.

For your information, I did things exactly as described above. Ate nothing, usually didn't even drink anything, after 7 pm, until about 11 am the next day. Ate what I wanted the rest of the time. That was the lifestyle that made me spiral to my highest weight ever. I'm sorry it doesn't work with your view of how the world should work. I am sure you'll tell me I'm lying (again).

You work on the assumption that everybody, and every body is the same. That one size fits all. First mistake. One that no researcher or medical professional I have met has ever made.
You base everything on your 'study'. Did the thought ever occur to you that a study of that size doesn't mean anything? Or, worse, that the people in your study were the ones that weren't honest? Or that they changed their eating habits because they knew that....gasp...they were in a study? That your 'results' simply weren't accurate?

But no, I don't think that ever occurred to you. And I don't think we'll ever get that link to pubmed, or the answers to the dozen questions that you've been asked in this thread alone. You are dodging those, like you have done from day one, and are instead repeating the same old, tired things, over and over, no matter how often they are questioned, or how often people challenge you. It'd be funny, really, if it wasn't so sad.
 
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Actually - since you ask for my input - I gained a BMI of 52 by eating consistently with no breakfast whatsoever but making up for it by eating A LOT from lunchtime onwards over many years....

I was very consistent with it - it was my habit to live that way. I used to leave for work pretty early and didnt feel like eating at that time... Travel to work was often 3 trains or a long cab ride - and was often in fairly sleepy state at that time... I'd start with diet coke when I got to work - but nothing to eat until late morning when the eating would start... Very honestly - I'd then eat a lot and it would be pretty unhealthy stuff...

There was certainly no healthy improvement to my cravings or desire to over-eat from not eating breakfast...

I spent years doing that - but I didnt mention it because San did and I knew that you would claim that it was us ganging up on you...

LOL in your world - me saying
Omega said:
LOL - we still havent heard how many people were in it... whether there were 7 people or whether there were 8 people.

Still no pubmed link...
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was us acting as a tag team...

I didnt cite my experience - but I have now...

It is interesting to see you say that San must have been eating a lot more than she lets on... She never says that she was eating at a low or moderate level during the hours that she was eating... She was probably eating at a very unhealthy level...

I have kept out of the "must eat breakfast" claimants because I have non-standard mealtimes to this day... I do have breakfast but it has a better chance of being at 1pm or 11am than at 7:30am... It is nearly 10am today and I havent eaten anything yet... I often have my lunch at 4pm and regularly eat dinner late in the day... Sometimes I combine my breakfast and lunch food together and eat a big meal in the afternoon... this is easily done as I have the same thing for both breakfast and lunch so it easily combines into a double portion serving... if it fits into our schedule - a dinner after 10pm is not unusual... If dinner was earlier I always have a late supper somewhere around midnight. I tend to be hungry when I come in from dancing.

You ask about my weight and health...
Am I overweight now? - possibly - marginally...
My biggest weight problem is loose skin - which impacts BMI calculations - plus I have developed a level of muscle from exercise...
My current weight makes me officially borderline overweight...
Do I look overweight? - people say not...
Am I healthy? - most certainly...
Here a photo from this summer:
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I regularly out-exercise people half my age...
I dance a lot... my schedule last week for instance...

Mon - 1 hr gentle aerobics, 2 hrs zumba
Tues - Salsa dancing from 7:30pm to 11pm plus some outdoor walking
Wed - 1 hr zumba, 1.5hrs salsa dancing (9:30pm to 11pm) plus some outdoor walking
Thurs - 1 hr zumba plus outdoor walking (my normal salsa classes were cancelled as was the 2nd zumba class that I sometimes do)
Fri - 1hr zumba, 3.5 hrs salsa (8pm to 11:30pm) plus some outdoor walking
Sat - 1 hr zumba, 3 hrs salsa (9pm to midnight) plus some outdoor walking (my normal morning 1 hr salsa class was cancelled)
Sun - outdoor walking only...

This week is shaping up to be much the same (since it is all fairly standard) except that the Thurs and Sat classes that were cancelled last week are on (since a teacher is returning today from holiday) but I am not sure whether we are out dancing on Saturday night - these things are often arranged last minute... This weekend - quite a few of our friends are going to the Berlin salsa congress - but we have decided not to go. It is therefore quite possible that we will be in on Saturday night... I do know that we have dance arrangements for 12th, 19th and 26th...

I am being very honest with myself and with you.

On the subject of honesty - I note that we still havent had any reply to any of the questions that I posed...

Its about time we had a bit of honesty from you...

Maybe it is about time that you questioned the honesty of participants in your pilot study if they told you that they had lost all their cravings... They may have been trying to make you happy by telling you something that they knew that you wanted to hear.
Maybe your reading comprehension let you down again - we have seen a few examples of that happening...

It is certainly time that you got round to counting them so that you knew how many people you were talking about...

Also time you found that pubmed link - or reported it to pubmed so that it could be considered and evaluated by the wider research community.

You clearly consider it to be a breakthrough - surely in that case you morally ought to ensure that it is more fully researched by those with wider resources and peer reviewed.
 
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I'm eating my breakfast now at 11:10am...
Just thought that I would mention it...

I would happily eat bad food - if available and I had a moment of weakness... I have to control my actions - it isnt that I do not want the bad food...

No magic rewiring of the brain...
 
Omega said:
I'm eating my breakfast now at 11:10am...
Just thought that I would mention it...

I would happily eat bad food - if available and I had a moment of weakness... I have to control my actions - it isnt that I do not want the bad food...

No magic rewiring of the brain...
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Now, now....are you being honest here?? ;) You know us 'fat' people don't hold it that much with the truth......;)
 
LOL - you'll never really know......

I'm sitting down to an early lunch in a minute... I have zumba tonight and I do not want to be feeling too full at 6pm...

The fact is - all those people in the pilot study (although we do not know whether it is 7 or 8 or however many) had been overweight - so they are just as likely to tell lies as us by his same logic...
 
Still no answers to the questions...

Omega said:
LOL - we still havent heard how many people were in it... whether there were 7 people or whether there were 8 people.

Still no pubmed link...
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This comment still holds true:

Omega said:
It is certainly time that you got round to counting them so that you knew how many people you were talking about...

Also time you found that pubmed link - or reported it to pubmed so that it could be considered and evaluated by the wider research community.

You clearly consider it to be a breakthrough - surely in that case you morally ought to ensure that it is more fully researched by those with wider resources and peer reviewed.
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Also, everyone's metabolism is not the same. Even if 2 people are healthy, it is not the same. I know many people who do not exercise, do not have manual labor jobs, yet can eat 3 times what I do, and unhealthy stuff, yet never gain a pound, where I can eat less and healthy, exercise, and still have issues. That to me is proof that everyone's metabolism is not the same.

Like Omega said, still no proof, still no #'s, still no links. Why not?

Also for years I would not eat breakfast. I'd wait until 10 or often noon to eat and would not eat after dinner which was generally around 6 or 7pm, yet I never lost, and often gained weight doing that. So what was I doing differently/wrong? Seems like it doesn't matter what I ate or if I exercised, according to you I should have lost weight because I only ate for about 8 hours in a day, and not first thing in the morning. (By the way this was when I was playing community league soccer which meant at least 1 game and 1 practice each week keeping me somewhat active, and I was in school and enrolled in gym classes, and this was back when my friends and I went outside and rode bikes and walked and went to the park and got their energy out).
 
He keeps saying to be honest with ourselves... When all I see are crackpot theories he insists work but can't back up.

Backing up your claims with raw, straightforward data shouldn't be difficult, Steve. I mean, after all, didn't you do a study that yielded the data?
 
I have not once said you MUST eat breakfast to have a healthy diet and lose weight.

Let's even forget about the fact that you believe everyone's metabolism is the same and I disagree.

I woke up this morning starving. My stomach was literally grumbling. This was probably 4am ish. I DID NOT eat or drink anything. Mostly because I was tired and went back to sleep. I ate sometime after I got to work around 9:15. yes I realize this is earlier than your suggestion of 11 but I am not trying to prove your theory correct or incorrect, just making a point. I ate because if I didn't I would be grumpy and would not be able to focus on work. And yes I know this from experience not because someone told me this is how I should feel. I know me enough that when I get that hungry and don't eat my day will be unproductive. I did not eat much. I am still drinking the 1 mug of tea I made, and I ate about 1 cup of Honey Nut Cheerios with 1% milk.

Let's even forgot about everything I have just written and start over. You have a study that counters everything I have been told about the fact that I should be eating breakfast in the morning, and that I should be eating 5-6 smaller meals a day with plenty of water and a well balance diet of fruits, veggies, meats, carbs etc. You are now saying I can eat whatever I want, as long as I do it between the hours of 11AM and 8PM, correct? Well if you are wanting me to believe you, then back up your facts. I would LOVE for this to be true, I really would. But my instincts are telling me otherwise and saying to get the proof.

Where is the link to this study?
How many people were involved in this study?
Over what time period did this study take place, 1 week, 1 month, 5 years?

And AGAIN: WHERE IS THE LINK. We need proof. Every other study has had proof. And even if it didn't, you are trying to change our way of thinking right? Well you can just simply say "I did a study and these were the results so you should just trust me". Especially when you keep calling all of us liars.

PROVE IT! Give us the link. If you give us the link to your study, and we find the participants were a large group, and your findings were validated by others, perhaps THEN we could look further into the viability of your findings and perhaps even try it for ourselves. But you cannot expect us to change our way of thinking and beliefs and lives without providing us with the proof.

From the beginning we have asked for the link. Forget the rest of the questions, they will be answered.

PROVIDE THE LINK!
 
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