Complete B.S Thread

The number one reason is the growing demand from China and India, more people are joining the middle class and want to eat better

Then theres the whole ethanol deal. I wish i can slap the idiot that came up with burning ethanol for fuel, corn is found in almost everything we eat.

Then theres unpredictable weather and rising fuel prices.

Im all for alternative energy, and i'm sure in a decade or two we will have implemented one. But burning food is just stupid.
Food should be our body's fuel, not the fuel or machines use.

Our economy is ****.
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb here Phate and say its going to be electro magnetic energy. You should see the stuff they are doing with magnets. Pretty amazing actually.

I agree burning biomass is just not going to work.
 
Phate89 said:
Then theres the whole ethanol deal. I wish i can slap the idiot that came up with burning ethanol for fuel, corn is found in almost everything we eat.
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Where I grew up farmers were actually paid by the government to not grow anything. I'm referring specifically to corn farms in New Jersey. Why would the government do this? Supply and demand, the demand was relatively low compared to the high volume of supply, so to keep corn prices stable, the government paid people to stop growing so much corn.

Don't forget that if ethanol were introduced as a complete replacement for petrol, all of the money that goes to foreign entities for oil would go to domestic entities and they would expand their farming operations.

So I don't think its a case of burning food that we would otherwise eat.
 
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Where I grew up farmers were actually paid by the government to not grow anything. I'm referring specifically to corn farms in New Jersey. Why would the government do this? Supply and demand, the demand was relatively low compared to the high volume of supply, so to keep corn prices stable, the government paid people to stop growing so much corn.

Don't forget that if ethanol were introduced as a complete replacement for petrol, all of the money that goes to foreign entities for oil would go to domestic entities and they would expand their farming operations.

So I don't think its a case of burning food that we would otherwise eat.
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Corn and soybeans are used to produce our food. Now they are using some of that for fuel, as a result making corn and soy bean more expensive. Along with inflation and the shortage of grains it drives food prices up.
The World Bank reports that for each 1 percent rise in food prices, caloric intake among the poor drops 0.5 percent. Millions of those living on the lower rungs of the global economic ladder, people who are barely hanging on, will lose their grip and begin to fall off.
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Because of us using 20% of our corn for fuel more people will starve and more people will go hungry all around the world. Anyone that defends ethanol is a tree hugging hippie and needs to be shot.

The amount of corn it takes to produce 75 litres of ethanol - roughly a tank of fuel - is enough corn to feed one person on a 2,000 calorie per day diet for a year
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I'm not saying we should start using what we would normally consume, but should instead start growing more specifically for the purpose of ethanol.
 
Better than converting it into gas.

It's just comparing how much potential food we are wasting for just one tank of alternate fuel.
The price of corn, grain, soybeans affect the price of everything we eat. the price of eggs, milk, rice, everything is up. Eggs are up like 30% since last year.

Countries such as China and Egypt stopped exporting rice and now because of the rising prices many Asian countries are going hungry. In some east asian countries people have actually been rioting for more food.

Now thats pathetic. To be living in this day and age, and people are still rioting and protesting for food.

Can't even imagine how this is going to hit some of those starving african countries that barely get by as it is.
 
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Phate89 said:
Better than converting it into gas.

It's just comparing how much potential food we are wasting for just one tank of alternate fuel.
The price of corn, grain, soybeans affect the price of everything we eat. the price of eggs, milk, rice, everything is up. Eggs are up like 30% since last year.
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Judging by the physiques of our population, I dont think its hurting anyone.
 
Nah yo. The govt is buying up assloads of land for the exclusive purpose of growing corn. This displaces all other crops and drives the price up. THe price of meat goes up because there is less available corn to feed to animals. When prices go up, people go hungry. Ethanol fuel as a convenience is a pipe dream anyway.
 
The reason food prices are going up is because each piece of food travels on average 300 miles before they are eaten, add that cost for the deliverers, to the cost added to farmers for their own oil, and there's your raise in food
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That is the real reason for the increase in cost of food. (or all goods at this point) Think about how many times things need to be shipped.

Bread for example -

1. ingredients are shipped in.
2. The process of making bread has a cost above and beyond the cost of ingredients.
3. the bread is packed and shipped to a distributer.
4. The bread is then packed and shipped to individual stores.

On most products (food and otherwise) you are paying for shipping at LEAST 3X.

So as gas prices go up the consumer has to absorb the cost of fuel for shipping the products around.

Phate - This includes your eggs, milk, and rice.

I'm just sayin'

I like the water idea.
 
Noooooo Wesley Snipes going to jail!
 
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