1000 monkeys at 1000 computers typing randomly for infinite time...

i say again:

Yeah, but if they could sit for eternity, it would happen, right? No one cares if the universe will have ended, or the monkies died. because the question is IF, do not underestimate the power of IF.

If the planet earth lasted 9999999999999999999999999999999999e9999999999999999999999999 years. That would be a long time.

"But it wont last that long"

"but if!"
 
i knew this thread would make it to 100 posts. it stopped at 99 and i was just waiting for it to go over the hill :D
 
Well, by the time they do finish writing hamlet(and yes, since this is infinity i think they would make it) they're gonna need a seriouse PW shake to prevent protein breakdown.
 
Tanizaki said:
Theoretically, it is possible, as anything is theoretically possible. There is a possibility, however remote, that I might vanish from where I am now seated and reappear in the observation lounge of Sears Tower.

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Lol, if the Monkeys question got some people scratching their heads this will have them crying in their laps! Are you talking about the idea that particles disappear and reform in a slightly different possition but all in the same order through the laws of probablity?

If so then I'm checking out of this thread for good :confused:
 
Karky said:
i say again:

Yeah, but if they could sit for eternity, it would happen, right? No one cares if the universe will have ended, or the monkies died. because the question is IF, do not underestimate the power of IF.
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Do not underestimate the power of people to blind themselves with uninformed misconceptions. This forum is hardly the best forum in the world for inquiry on this topic, as people gather here for the purpose of strengthening their bodies, not their minds.

This thread reminds me of two people from my class at law school. In my class was a couple who were into weight training/fitness/body building/whatever. They both would carry around gallon jugs of water (even though water fountains were plentiful in the building) as well as coolers. This muscle dude and gym bunny always took the same classes. It was pretty funny. At any rate, we graduated law school in May 2004. Bar exam was July 2004, and most people who were halfway competent, such as me, passed the first time out. Fast forward to the Feb 2007 bar exam. A friend of mine stayed with me because the bar exam was being held in my city (and he still hadn't passed - I don't know whether to laugh or cry). I asked him if he saw anyone from law school at the exam. He mentioned a few people, and then said, "Hey, remember that couple that always carried the water jugs?"

But I digress.

Shakespeare's shortest play is The Comedy of Errors. It contains 73,033 characters, ignoring spaces and punctuation. Thus, the odds of it being randomly generated are 1 to 26^73,033, or 1 to 1e103,400. To give you a point of comparison, there are only 1e79 atoms in the observable universe. In any sense of the word, the probability is zero. Anyone who thinks the monkeys must eventually succeed once (let alone infinite times, as some howlers in this thread have claimed) simply misunderstands large number theory.
 
CCR said:
Lol, if the Monkeys question got some people scratching their heads this will have them crying in their laps! Are you talking about the idea that particles disappear and reform in a slightly different possition but all in the same order through the laws of probablity?
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No. I am talking about an exercise we did in grad school as a diversion when we used the uncertainty principle to calculate the odds of our cars appearing on our front lawns instead of our driveways, etc.
 
man this is going overboard its rediculous, the power of "if" :rolleyes:

Im not in the bets position but anyone who has an idea about statistics knows this is statistically improbable.
 
Tanizaki said:
Do not underestimate the power of people to blind themselves with uninformed misconceptions. This forum is hardly the best forum in the world for inquiry on this topic, as people gather here for the purpose of strengthening their bodies, not their minds.
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Then why the hell do you only post in the lounge section in this type of thread? If you're here for workout tips from us water jug carrying idiots then then shift your skinny ass to the weight training section

Oh, yeah... TROLL
 
CCR said:
Then why the hell do you only post in the lounge section in this type of thread? If you're here for workout tips from us water jug carrying idiots then then shift your skinny ass to the weight training section

Oh, yeah... TROLL
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Your post isn't very constructive, is it?
 
Proteinboy said:
i dont see any need to call names especially not on such a moot subject. he wasnt trying to cause a rucus
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Did you read his post? Comparing people on the forum to the two muscle bound idiots at uni who couldn't pass the final exam.

He has only come here to start an arguement and nothing else
 
CCR said:
Did you read his post? Comparing people on the forum to the two muscle bound idiots at uni who couldn't pass the final exam.

He has only come here to start an arguement and nothing else
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You have missed the point. All I was saying was that while I expect to get top notch advice here about how to improve my form when doing a bench press, I don't expect particular competence in large number theory or thermodynamics (which is where the infinite monkeys idea first arose). There is nothing wrong with that.
 
i dont really mind what this forum reminds him of. if he thinks it reminds him of 2 flunking muscle heads, i dont really care. everyone has an opinion.

all i know is that this forum has very productive information not only about health and improving physical health but also improving mental health.see the "wellness" section. there are numberous very well educated persons on this site, all whom i respect.

i just dont get what the problem is.
 
Tanizaki said:
You have missed the point. All I was saying was that while I expect to get top notch advice here about how to improve my form when doing a bench press, I don't expect particular competence in large number theory or thermodynamics (which is where the infinite monkeys idea first arose). There is nothing wrong with that.
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well i dont agree with that. Im doing something to do with health and phsyio, but along the way we have dealt with chemistry, biology, psychology etc, and a number of prerequisites such as phsyics. So either you have no clue what your talking about, or you expect to much which i doubt you come anything near...
 
matt182 said:
well i dont agree with that. Im doing something to do with health and phsyio, but along the way we have dealt with chemistry, biology, psychology etc, and a number of prerequisites such as phsyics.
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I am sorry, but I disagree. The fact that your body is an organism that exists in physical reality, and that you are working to improve it, in no way confers upon you expertise in chemistry, physics, biology, or any other academic discipline. Physics is not a "prerequiste" to biology, chemistry, biology, or psychology.

However, I will give you a chance to prove me wrong below.

So either you have no clue what your talking about, or you expect to much which i doubt you come anything near...
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I don't understand the second part of your false dichotomy. While it has not happened, I may be wrong and you could very well be a science whiz. If you can explain this paltry physics dilemma, I will leave and never post here again To make it easy for you, no math is required:

Many Americans believe that the earth is less than 10,000. This belief is based on a literal reading of Genesis. For the win, please explain how the first law of thermodynamics requires that the Earth be much, much older than that.

The answer can be sufficient if only a sentence long. I'll post the answer within 24 hours if I don't hear from you by then.
 
Tanizaki said:
I am sorry, but I disagree. The fact that your body is an organism that exists in physical reality, and that you are working to improve it, in no way confers upon you expertise in chemistry, physics, biology, or any other academic discipline. Physics is not a "prerequiste" to biology, chemistry, biology, or psychology.

However, I will give you a chance to prove me wrong below..
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Not much of that made sense. I never said expertise either, and by prerequiste i meant for the course. But i do agree that probably many here only have a narrow vision for bodybuilding as you put it, thats not to say thats bad.

Tanizaki said:
I don't understand the second part of your false dichotomy. While it has not happened, I may be wrong and you could very well be a science whiz. If you can explain this paltry physics dilemma, I will leave and never post here again To make it easy for you, no math is required:

Many Americans believe that the earth is less than 10,000. This belief is based on a literal reading of Genesis. For the win, please explain how the first law of thermodynamics requires that the Earth be much, much older than that.

The answer can be sufficient if only a sentence long. I'll post the answer within 24 hours if I don't hear from you by then.
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If they believe its less than 10 000 years old than thats rediculous, im guessing thermodynamics is your thing, but yes i would assume that by collecting samples of rocks in differing layers of the earth for indicating the timescale would come into it.

and by the way i havnt really even posted in this thread anyway, why dont you start your own on something :cool:
 
i cant believe no one has brought up the INFINITE MONEKY THEOREM. yes thats right, there is a mathematical theorem.

firstly the statement argued is wrong:

The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type or create a particular chosen text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.

Infinite monkey theorem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SEE PROBABILITIES.
 
matt182 said:
Not much of that made sense.
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It was quite clear, I thought. Try reading it again.

I never said expertise either, and by prerequiste i meant for the course. But i do agree that probably many here only have a narrow vision for bodybuilding as you put it, thats not to say thats bad.
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You said that you deal with biology, physics, chemistry, and other sciences in the course of increasing your fitness. While I agree that your body is subject to the laws of these sciences because it exists in the universe, I disagree that working out conveys any significant knowledge to you. Most people here would be hard pressed to describe the difference between power and work. (no, that is not an invitation for someone to google up some definitions). I agree with you there is nothing wrong with that. No one can be an expert on every topic. Otherwise, they would not be experts.

If they believe its less than 10 000 years old than thats rediculous, im guessing thermodynamics is your thing, but yes i would assume that by collecting samples of rocks in differing layers of the earth for indicating the timescale would come into it.
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Thermodynamics is my thing to the extent that physics is my thing, as every physics theory has the laws of thermodynamics built into it. But no, examining rocks tells us nothing about why the first law of thermodynamics requires an old Earth. I will post the answer as promised if no one comes up with it before then.

and by the way i havnt really even posted in this thread anyway, why dont you start your own on something :cool:
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What?
 
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