When will it end?!

Dallen said:
I think part of the reason why we see so much more gun violence is because of the media making it appear as if it's the "only solution" to your problem.
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Agree. I've read already that the kid that did this shooting was off his medications. It is the people, not the guns. The hard thing to deal with is that not all people can be "fixed". These senseless tragedies will always exist.

Dallen said:
It's the same with everything, no(t) only just to gun violence. Obesity... "it's McDonalds fault, it's my parents fault, it's my environment's fault... not my fault..." is what you hear all the time. This crap needs to stop, and people need to start getting it together.
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Again agree. I've been overweight my entire life (since around 7 years old). People have to take responsibility for themselves. I'm finally doing something about it and it feels great. I don't expect the government or any other person to pity me or "pay my way" into an average lifestyle (whether that be for weight issues, lack of money or any other thing I think is bad about me). I only wish others would take the same stance. If everyone would take care of themselves there'd be no one else to take care of.
 
I've a lot to say on this subject, and have said it in numerous discussions, but like with all things politic or religious, few minds are ever swayed by (an internet) debate.

Simply put, it is the price paid for freedom. And though I too am saddened and disgusted by such behavior, I would much rather suffer the natural consequences of a right to bear arms (access) than those of the alternative.

Then again, I live in Canada. And not because I like paying more tax. :rolleyes:
 
[Focus] said:
I've a lot to say on this subject, and have said it in numerous discussions, but like with all things politic or religious, few minds are ever swayed by (an internet) debate.

Simply put, it is the price paid for freedom. And though I too am saddened and disgusted by such behavior, I would much rather suffer the natural consequences of a right to bear arms (access) than those of the alternative.

Then again, I live in Canada. And not because I like paying more tax. :rolleyes:
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Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
-Benjamin Franklin
 
theGOOCH said:
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
-Benjamin Franklin
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isnt Benjamin Franklin an American? Did America use this quote to help America's problem? I Don't know what you are trying to say or whether you agree with Focus or not.
 
The school shootings are a nightmare!!
The shooter was on medication at one time and had not been taking it.. I am wondering why? I think we need better health care.
I hate to be controversial but I have to say that banning guns is not the answer. I do live in redneck country and the majority of the people that I know own guns for either hunting or protection.. I personally refuse to have one in my home because my husband and I do not hunt and as far as personal protection there are just too many what ifs..
There is just no way of predicting where these attacks will take place. It is hard to send my children to school..
Along with fire drills the school is practicing hiding.. "code red" where the children hide behind a book shelf and be very quiet.
 
SKM, I like to think he's both agreeing with me and chiding my self-admitted "hypocrisy". :p

The truth is, though, the reasons I live here are mostly of the breathing variety (people). I don't agree with most of the politics of this country. I actually spoiled my ballot in the only vote I have been eligible for. Stupid, yeah, but I wanted to make it clear that I support none of the parties. Or, as I like to say, "It wasn't voter apathy, it was voter ANTIPATHY."

It's a funny coincidence, too, because I actually did so by writing in "Thomas Jefferson" as my vote. :D (Who was another of the founding fathers so concerned with freedom in a "true democracy").
 
I gotta put my 2 cents in even if it pisses people off. Here we go: Drugs are illegal, right? But, there are still tons and tons of them around. My point is, even if you outlaw guns, criminals will still get them. PERIOD! I like to fish and hunt and all that but you'd never see me out using a gun to rob or kill someone. People are the cause of the guns killing people. I would agree with some restrictions for the mentally ill not having access to them. Just my 2 cents. CYA, Greg
 
theGOOCH said:
How do you propose to take away all the unregistered guns from the criminals?
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Most criminals will always posess dangerous arms.

The difference is, a ban will stop lunatics and & emotionally troubled people from using them. Most if not all school shootings are not by criminals are they. If these people dont have easy access to guns i think their imagination or planning of the attatck which may last up for a year wont actually lead to something so dramatic as it would only be wishfull thinking and they wont actually believe they actually will so it doesnt manifest to a point where they lose it.
 
Pretty sure Marijuana and most other street drugs are illegal, but does that stop 12 year olds and "emotionally troubled people" from getting ahold of them?

Sorry, but that's a terrible argument. You don't fantasize about something for a year and then give up because one little detail of your plan isn't gonna work. ****, I say let them have the guns. You can't do all that much damage (relatively speaking) with one or two civilian weapons.

Denied the gun they might actually put some effort into it. You don't even want to know the quality and quantity of explosive I could manufacture in my kitchen with $0 in (stolen XD) ingredients and access to the internet. Should I ever go nuts and desire to wipe out all my "enemies", people will be saying, "Too bad he didn't have a gun. Los Angeles would still be on the map if he had."

I keed, LA. I just picked you at random, I swear. :D Insert name of whatever "entire school"/ "smaller but still major population centre".

Edit: I seriously hope no overachieving crazies are reading this. If so, my bad. Very much my bad.
 
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No they fantisize it because it is a distinct possibility.

Im not saying for them to ban guns, because their too soft and the population is obsessed about them.

And you started off with a poor comparison focus. Obviously you wouldnt know the difficulty of obtaining something illegal as a gun compared to drugs. I understand you cant conceptulise this because you dont have first hand experience.
 
matt182 said:
No they fantisize it because it is a distinct possibility.
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I think you are confused about what the word fantasize means.
matt182 said:
Im not saying for them to ban guns, because their too soft and the population is obsessed about them.
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This is incomprehensible to me. Please read up on the difference between their, there and they're. I could guess at what you're trying to say, but even then it doesn't make sense. I'm not trying to be rude; I'm honestly confused.
matt182 said:
And you started off with a poor comparison focus. Obviously you wouldnt know the difficulty of obtaining something illegal as a gun compared to drugs. I understand you cant conceptulise this because you dont have first hand experience.
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On what basis do you make this assumption?

Anyway, how hard do you think it was to get alcohol during the prohibition? Not that hard. Smuggling is smuggling. Should they ban civilians from owning firearms, gun smuggling will suddenly become a more profitable business, and people will find a way. Sure there's a difference between firearms and alcohol or drugs, but there would also be profit to be had for bootleggers.

Then I muttered something about spell checkers.
 
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The only point worth replying to you.

Just because two things are illegal for example, doesnt mean both are as prevalent as each other or as easily acessable. I could give you a few examples if your still finding this concept unfathomable.

You keep persisting with your worthless comparisons. If i went to a school down the road that contains about 600 people. Im sure over 90% of them could withing a day have potential access to illegal drugs. On the other hand, i highly doubt that any of them would have no knowledge of how to obtain a gun.
 
I'm doing a research paper right now in English on School Violence. Statistics show that most of the victims are usually innocents, not targets and that the shooters themselves were either socially not accepted or apparently didn't take there medication like this guy.
 
matt182 said:
You keep persisting with your worthless comparisons. If i went to a school down the road that contains about 600 people. Im sure over 90% of them could withing a day have potential access to illegal drugs. On the other hand, i highly doubt that any of them would have no knowledge of how to obtain a gun.
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It's you who persists. You could try replying to my actual point rather than prevaricating. Maybe you need it spelled out for you.

It's not the ease of accessibility that's at question, it's whether or not it's accessible at all. If I can go to a store to purchase a gun, going to one of the many gun dealers that would very probably appear (in larger numbers, that is - They already exist) isn't all that different. And what happens when organized crime takes over? This is how gun smuggling will compare to that of drugs and alcohol. Rather than control them in any way (when prohibited), they will simply increase the danger to the consumer and, if anything, make them more desirable, as LV alluded to.

You cannot with any veracity deny the fact that a person with an intent to do harm will be able to find a way. As I said, very few such persons are going to suddenly change their minds about 'expressing their pain' or whatever because it's a little more work (or, theoretically, impossible) to acquire a gun. There are dozens of other ways. Explosives, toxins, mechanical traps - whatever floats your boat, really.

However, even if it should, still I would say to you that it isn't worth the cost to liberty. That is the central issue, after all, the entitlement of any free people to access to the means to overthrow their government.
 
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