Another school shooting, this time at Northern Illinois University.
When is this **** gonna stop?
When is this **** gonna stop?
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Another school shooting, this time at Northern Illinois University.
When is this **** gonna stop?
I would so comment further, but then this leads into a whole debate on God again. And I think we all know how that goes!
SO alls I can say without being harped on, is simple, lets all just take it easy RELAX, spread some love. I sound funny maybe, but lately I just think how I treat others and others treat me reflects on our lives and sets a tone. NO EXCUSE to kill people, but just saying maybe less angry ppl! Thats why for me a simple hello to strangers, go ahead cut me off if your so in a rush, don't steal my joy attitude is what I'm working on.
Basically the US need to ban guns. Simple.
LMAO, I totally agree but pointing out the obvious doesn't get you very far when speaking to an American forum; they're all very well versed on why the problem is people and not guns. You might as well try and get a balanced discussion out of the creationism thread
LMAO, I totally agree but pointing out the obvious doesn't get you very far when speaking to an American forum; they're all very well versed on why the problem is people and not guns. You might as well try and get a balanced discussion out of the creationism thread
I thought id state the obvious. The problem is guns tho, People problems are everywhere its very unlikely they can change the people. They just need to stop whats being provided.......weapons.
BTW im talking about gun crime as a whole, not just this particular incident.
Even if guns are banned, people will still be able to get their hands on them if they are so inclined. Just like drugs, illegal, yet people who want them, get them.
Anyways, this stuff makes me sick. You truly are in the lowest pit of filth for doing an act like this.
Anyways, this stuff makes me sick. You truly are in the lowest pit of filth for doing an act like this.
Would they? I wouldn't have the first clue about how to buy a gun, they're mainly used for organised crime and they don't exactly set up a stall on the street to sell them. You'd need the right contacts to get introduced which makes buying a gun harderEven if guns are banned, people will still be able to get their hands on them if they are so inclined.
That's a tough question for the US because there are so many of them around. I guess you could start by making them illegal and giving people x amount of days to hand them in. After that point, anyone found with a gun gets up to 10 years in prison like they would here.How do you propose to take away all the unregistered guns from the criminals?
The NRA crowd will probably get involved soon pleading the whole 'self defence' or constitutional rights stuff. But the fact is that Schools in America have become targets for attacks. The people killing with guns aren't the organised crime people like we have in the UK who generally just kill each other; your kids are at threat from other kids, WTF is wrong with people in your country if they can't understand the basic principe that if you increase availablity you also get an increase in usage
Hardcore criminals aren't deterred by long jail sentences. Go to any ghetto in the US and you can buy a cheap, unregistered (probably stolen) gun off the street as easily as you can buy drugs
Google "UK crime rates pre and post gun ban" Everything I've read shows that your crime rate was always low and had steadily increased even after the ban. Ours has always been high and has been slightly decreasing even with more states granting concealed carry permits.
Even if I agreed that it would solve the problem, which I don't...It would be tough to overturn a constitutional amendment which was spelled out so explicitly.
Google "UK crime rates pre and post gun ban" Everything I've read shows that your crime rate was always low and had steadily increased even after the ban. Ours has always been high and has been slightly decreasing even with more states granting concealed carry permits.
Even if I agreed that it would solve the problem, which I don't...It would be tough to overturn a constitutional amendment which was spelled out so explicitly.
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Yeah, I was just gonna say, the 2nd Amendment is going to be tough to just erase.
Even if guns are banned, people will still be able to get their hands on them if they are so inclined. Just like drugs, illegal, yet people who want them, get them.
Anyways, this stuff makes me sick. You truly are in the lowest pit of filth for doing an act like this.
My thoughts as well.
It's in the nature of the human being to want what they can't or are told not to have.
Google "UK crime rates pre and post gun ban" Everything I've read shows that your crime rate was always low and had steadily increased even after the ban. Ours has always been high and has been slightly decreasing even with more states granting concealed carry permits.
LMAO, that's a redneck 'pro-gun' site that hasn't even tried to be accurate. (EDIT: Sorry, that just relates the site Tom posted.)The 1997 gun ban? WTF? That was a tiny ammendment to our existing laws that only affected people with licences to own guns for specific purposes. Guns have never been legalised in the UK for the general public
However, by doing what you suggested you can prove my points;
1) As availability has increased so have the number of deaths
2) Only criminals own handguns in the UK, if you look at the individual killings in the UK almost every single one is gang/drug related and the person killed was also a criminal
3) Since restricting gun ownership even further in 1997, Dunblaine has remained our only school massacre ever
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Actually, this is kinda silly because the US will never ban guns anyway so I'm not going to bother arguing the case here
I just want to send my sympathies to the friends anf families of those affected
They will when im president.
Actually, this is kinda silly because the US will never ban guns anyway so I'm not going to bother arguing the case here
I just want to send my sympathies to the friends anf families of those affected
Agreed. I don't come here to argue. I come here to continue my education about fitness and maybe help others along the way.
I think everyone can agree with the second part of your post
Even if I agreed that it would solve the problem, which I don't...It would be tough to overturn a constitutional amendment which was spelled out so explicitly.
Totally agree. It's on the same level as taking away free speech really. Most people will say free speech is a right simply because there is a constitutional amendment in place providing that right. Why not accept, at a minimum, that same argument for gun freedom?
If you want to argue the tragedy of these school shootings (which they certainly are tragedies) why not also argue the tragedy of traffic fatalities as a reason to ban automobiles? Well that’s pretty silly I know, but isn’t it a similar problem? Some people just can’t handle their responsibility whether it is to control guns or their automobiles.
Take a look here:
U.S. Secretary of Transportation Says Traffic Deaths on America’s Highways Down Slightly, but Far Too Many Lives Lost Every Year
That’s 43,300 traffic fatalities in the U.S. in 2006 or over 118 traffic fatalities per day. In the end, since we all drive cars we don’t have to have those discussions, but since some people don’t own guns, didn’t grow up with them, and maybe has been touched by a shooting tragedy those discussions do take place.
It seems most of these discussions (to take away one right or another) are only supported by people that it wouldn’t directly affect.
To lighten up the discussion a bit…
Another (somewhat ridiculous) point… What about knife killings? Should we ban knives? What would we cut our steaks with?
Interesting tid-bit:
Follow the link below to Wikipedia and look under the “Gun Law” and “Reports of resulting burglary rate statistics” sections. Pretty interesting stuff, it’s not conclusive necessarily but at least interesting.
Kennesaw, Georgia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't think US should ban guns. Gun ownership is a great responsibility for the owner. I think they should pull a Chris Rock on it... make the guns cheap, but put an increase on the cost for bullets. Guns don't mean jack if you can't put bullets in it. I like guns. I'm proud of my gun collection. I would never dare point it at another living creature, even a robber who is about to threaten my life. I would no sooner pick up a baseball bat than a gun if someone broke into my house. I much rather have fun beating the crap out of someone, and telling them to think twice next time than end their life or cause serious damage that could scare them for the rest of their life.
I remember a time as a child where we settled problems with rocks and sticks, not guns and knives. We cleaned up our cuts and bumps and go on as friends. And this was only about 10-15 years ago. Now children seem to settle problems with cops, lawsuits, etc.
I think part of the reason why we see so much more gun violence is because of the media making it appear as if it's the "only solution" to your problem. When you watch these school shooting, look carefully at what the media is focusing on, and what people are discussing. They talk about the shooter... how dark he/she was, how he was abused, etc... they don't ever talk about the victims in any way other than a quick 10 seconds segment while the rest focuses on the killer. So when a troubled individual sees this, he/she thinks, "Hey, that sounds like me! I get picked on at school! I feel like everyone is out to get me. And look at that, I can take out the people I don't like and caused me trouble."
I think we should focus on individual help rather than restricting guns and blaming everything but the actual killer. I hate this current, "it's everyone's fault but mines" behavior we're having. It's the same with everything, no only just to gun violence. Obesity... "it's McDonalds fault, it's my parents fault, it's my environment's fault... not my fault..." is what you hear all the time. This crap needs to stop, and people need to start getting it together.
I remember a time as a child where we settled problems with rocks and sticks, not guns and knives. We cleaned up our cuts and bumps and go on as friends. And this was only about 10-15 years ago. Now children seem to settle problems with cops, lawsuits, etc.
I think part of the reason why we see so much more gun violence is because of the media making it appear as if it's the "only solution" to your problem. When you watch these school shooting, look carefully at what the media is focusing on, and what people are discussing. They talk about the shooter... how dark he/she was, how he was abused, etc... they don't ever talk about the victims in any way other than a quick 10 seconds segment while the rest focuses on the killer. So when a troubled individual sees this, he/she thinks, "Hey, that sounds like me! I get picked on at school! I feel like everyone is out to get me. And look at that, I can take out the people I don't like and caused me trouble."
I think we should focus on individual help rather than restricting guns and blaming everything but the actual killer. I hate this current, "it's everyone's fault but mines" behavior we're having. It's the same with everything, no only just to gun violence. Obesity... "it's McDonalds fault, it's my parents fault, it's my environment's fault... not my fault..." is what you hear all the time. This crap needs to stop, and people need to start getting it together.
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