you got them all right exept for bent over rows. those are compound.
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If you examine the movement and the circumference of the angles between the hammer curl and the regular compound two-arm curl, they are not the same, and they hit the bicep from different angles. (as discussed one is a compound movement--two-arm curl and the other a more isolation-the hammer curl). The Hammer curl has a more side movement and the curl is a frontal movement. And, if there were a choice between the two, for a beginner, the compound two-arm curl is the better choice, when thinking one exercise. Agreed, compound exercises in general, are the better choices.
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what curl you use wont matter much, nomatter how you put it (exept maybe for pro bodybuilders.), aslong as you do them right.
how is the two arm curl a compound movement? because you move both your elbow joints at the same time? that dont count.
how does the hammer curl have a side movement? did i miss a memo? you just curl it but hold it with a nautral grip..
how is the two arm curl a compound movement? because you move both your elbow joints at the same time? that dont count.
how does the hammer curl have a side movement? did i miss a memo? you just curl it but hold it with a nautral grip..
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In its most basic format, a compound movement is a movement that involves two or more joints (or multi-joint).
Isolation is uni-joint. (or one)
Hammer curl=isolation (uni-joint)
Two-arm curl=compound (two-joint)
If one looks up the hammer curl movement from like U-tube. This movement is different than the standard two arm curl-and in the sense of the angle of the muscle.
The bent over row with a barbell (for the back muscles), is a compound exercise, just to clarify (a two-joint movement). But this exercise has a variation, with the dumbell, and then it can becomes a more isolation movement. One could incorporate both the curl and hammer in a bi routine, but for beginning purposes, I tend to favor the two-arm curl as the staple. And, lets not forget the Preacher curl (which is another compound movement when done with a barbell, there is a dumbell varient). The bench press is a compound movement, as is the Squat (hips 2, knees 2). Military Press is compound movement, and the French-Press is as well (when done with a barbell).
Isolation is uni-joint. (or one)
Hammer curl=isolation (uni-joint)
Two-arm curl=compound (two-joint)
If one looks up the hammer curl movement from like U-tube. This movement is different than the standard two arm curl-and in the sense of the angle of the muscle.
The bent over row with a barbell (for the back muscles), is a compound exercise, just to clarify (a two-joint movement). But this exercise has a variation, with the dumbell, and then it can becomes a more isolation movement. One could incorporate both the curl and hammer in a bi routine, but for beginning purposes, I tend to favor the two-arm curl as the staple. And, lets not forget the Preacher curl (which is another compound movement when done with a barbell, there is a dumbell varient). The bench press is a compound movement, as is the Squat (hips 2, knees 2). Military Press is compound movement, and the French-Press is as well (when done with a barbell).
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but they are both still simple elbow flexions which work small muscle groups.
In its most basic format, a compound movement is a movement that involves two or more joints (or multi-joint).
Isolation is uni-joint. (or one)
Hammer curl=isolation (uni-joint)
Two-arm curl=compound (two-joint)
If one looks up the hammer curl movement from like U-tube. This movement is different than the standard two arm curl-and in the sense of the angle of the muscle.
The bent over row with a barbell (for the back muscles), is a compound exercise, just to clarify (a two-joint movement). But this exercise has a variation, with the dumbell, and then it can becomes a more isolation movement. One could incorporate both the curl and hammer in a bi routine, but for beginning purposes, I tend to favor the two-arm curl as the staple.
And, lets not forget the Preacher curl (which is another compound movement when done with a barbell, there is a dumbell varient). The bench press is a compound movement, as is the Squat (hips 2, knees 2). Military Press is compound movement, and the French-Press is as well (when done with a barbell).
Huh ?
Aren't hammer curls, standing barbell curls, preacher curls, French Presses all examples of ISOLATION exercises..........since a single joint / lever movement is involved in all 4 cases ?
Look up the definition of compound exercises.
Isolation=one joint.
A compound exercise is a two or more joint exercise.
Hammer curl done with a dumbell is an isolation. (one-joint)
Preacher done with a barbell is a compound. (two joint)
Concentration curls with a dumbell=isolation.
the focus may be on the bi muscle, but when talking isolation or compound the focus is on how many joints are involved. Its a matter of TWO (or more) joints moving virtually at the same time of the movement.
Real breif.
Isolation=one joint.
A compound exercise is a two or more joint exercise.
Hammer curl done with a dumbell is an isolation. (one-joint)
Preacher done with a barbell is a compound. (two joint)
Concentration curls with a dumbell=isolation.
the focus may be on the bi muscle, but when talking isolation or compound the focus is on how many joints are involved. Its a matter of TWO (or more) joints moving virtually at the same time of the movement.
Real breif.
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One article I found:
Compound Exercises
Compound Exercises for Maximal Muscle Mass
by "The Muscle Nerd" Jeff Anderson
Not all exercises are created equal...sure, you knew that! But in your quest to build some serious muscle, you'll need to fire up as many muscle fiibers as possible to stimulate the kind of deep growth you're looking for. And for this mission, you have a strong ally in compound exercises.
Compound vs. Isolation Exercises
First some quick clarification...compound exercises move the body through more than one joint movement, while isolation exercises only move the body through a single-joint movement.
Probably the best exercise to demonstrate the difference is the barbell squat. This "king" of all compound exercises moves your body using a majority of your muscle groups and bends you at your ankles, knees, waist, hips, and to some degree, even your shoulders.
Compare this to an isolation exercise such as leg entensions, which only moves your body by bending one joint...the knee.
So which is better?
To provide complete muscle fiber stimulation, you should take advantage of the benefits of both types of exercises. However, if you're main goal is to build muscle, you should use compound exercises as the main focul point of your weight training program and bring in complimentary isolation exercises to supplement the "big movers".
Compound exercises allow you to lift heavier weights and work more muscle groups at the same time than isolation exercises. This saves you precious time in the gym while stimulating the maximum amount of muscle fibers.
In addition, compound exercises, due to the increased amount of muscle used for the movements, are better at sending your endocrine system a "distress call" to pump out more anabolic hormones such as testosterone and growth hormone.
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Other than his views on other irrelevent topics (to this thread), he does clarify the difference. He mentioned the leg extension, but this too can be a compound exercise, IF there moving at the same time.
Compound Exercises
Compound Exercises for Maximal Muscle Mass
by "The Muscle Nerd" Jeff Anderson
Not all exercises are created equal...sure, you knew that! But in your quest to build some serious muscle, you'll need to fire up as many muscle fiibers as possible to stimulate the kind of deep growth you're looking for. And for this mission, you have a strong ally in compound exercises.
Compound vs. Isolation Exercises
First some quick clarification...compound exercises move the body through more than one joint movement, while isolation exercises only move the body through a single-joint movement.
Probably the best exercise to demonstrate the difference is the barbell squat. This "king" of all compound exercises moves your body using a majority of your muscle groups and bends you at your ankles, knees, waist, hips, and to some degree, even your shoulders.
Compare this to an isolation exercise such as leg entensions, which only moves your body by bending one joint...the knee.
So which is better?
To provide complete muscle fiber stimulation, you should take advantage of the benefits of both types of exercises. However, if you're main goal is to build muscle, you should use compound exercises as the main focul point of your weight training program and bring in complimentary isolation exercises to supplement the "big movers".
Compound exercises allow you to lift heavier weights and work more muscle groups at the same time than isolation exercises. This saves you precious time in the gym while stimulating the maximum amount of muscle fibers.
In addition, compound exercises, due to the increased amount of muscle used for the movements, are better at sending your endocrine system a "distress call" to pump out more anabolic hormones such as testosterone and growth hormone.
====================================================
Other than his views on other irrelevent topics (to this thread), he does clarify the difference. He mentioned the leg extension, but this too can be a compound exercise, IF there moving at the same time.
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Look up the definition of compound exercises.
Isolation=one joint. A compound exercise is a two or more joint exercise.Hammer curl done with a dumbell is an isolation. (one-joint)
Correct.
The joint is at your elbow - 1 joint. The the pivot position ( or fulcrum ) point is your elbow joint. The line of force is from your shoulder to you elbow and should remain stationary and your lever portion of the exercise is the part from your elbow to your wrist - which is the only part that should move.
Preacher done with a barbell is a compound. (two joint)
Wrong - only the elbow joint is involved - 1 joint. It is isolation.
The the pivot position ( or fulcrum ) point is your elbow joint. The line of force is from your shoulder to you elbow and should remain stationary and your lever portion of the exercise is the part from your elbow to your wrist - which is the only part that should move
Concentration curls with a dumbell=isolation.
Correct, for same reasons I stated above - 1 joint.
the focus may be on the bi muscle, but when talking isolation or compound the focus is on how many joints are involved. Its a matter of TWO (or more) joints moving virtually at the same time of the movement. Real breif.
O.K. - name the 2 joints involved in those bicep curl exercises you claim are " compound "
One is the elbow joint - what is the other joint involved ?
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Isolation=one joint.
A compound exercise is a two or more joint exercise.
1 joint. It is isolation.
this is arguable;
it doesnt matter how many joints are moving, but the number of muscles used to move a joint through space while being supported and stabilized by others.
the single leg straight leg deadlift is a single joint exercises but it is a compound movement because of the amount of muscles used....hamstrings, glutes, traps, spinal erectors ect.
doesnt sound like isolation to me.
who cares if its single joint or multi joint, as long as the exercise you chose works many muscles, allowing for maximal use of motor units. the point is to recruit as many motor units as possible anyway
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this is arguable;
it doesnt matter how many joints are moving, but the number of muscles used to move a joint through space while being supported and stabilized by others.
the single leg straight leg deadlifts are a single joint exercises but it is a compound movement because of the amount of muscles used....hamstrings, glutes, traps, spinal erectors ect.
Then Chillen disagrees with you, from his last post............
" compound exercises move the body through more than one joint movement, while isolation exercises only move the body through a single-joint movement "
....deadlifts an ISOLATION exercise ?
O.K. then ...tell me .....how many JOINTS have to bend in order to do it ?
1 ....or more than 1 ?
If ONLY 1 - name that 1 joint.
.......
Wrangel this is the bottom line:
If two or more joints are involved at the same time of the movement, its a compound. This includes the preacher curl. Its this simple, and simplicity is good.
If one is involved, its an isolation. Its this simple, and simplicity is good.
Deadlift=Compound (lets view the HIPS in ths movement, there are two of these)
There is a an obvious difference between the concentration curl and Preacher curl: Preacher curl with a barbell---two joints are moving (the two elbows at once), and with the concentration curl (dumbell), only one is moving-(one elbow at once)--pretty simple stuff.
Consider the military press: shoulder joints, elbows, and in addition to multi-muscle orientated (ab core stablizes as well)=compound
In fact, you are incorrect.
But lets no hijack this thread with our obvious differences in opinion.
If two or more joints are involved at the same time of the movement, its a compound. This includes the preacher curl. Its this simple, and simplicity is good.
If one is involved, its an isolation. Its this simple, and simplicity is good.
Deadlift=Compound (lets view the HIPS in ths movement, there are two of these)
There is a an obvious difference between the concentration curl and Preacher curl: Preacher curl with a barbell---two joints are moving (the two elbows at once), and with the concentration curl (dumbell), only one is moving-(one elbow at once)--pretty simple stuff.
Consider the military press: shoulder joints, elbows, and in addition to multi-muscle orientated (ab core stablizes as well)=compound
In fact, you are incorrect.
But lets no hijack this thread with our obvious differences in opinion.
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whether "compound" refers to how many joints are used(you very well may be correct) or whether it means compounded muscle usage....
like i said....WHO CARES about how many joints are used!? the thing that matters is the amount of muscles used or activated when performing these movements in order to recruit as many possible motor units!
but then again, single leg stiff leg deadlifts work many muscles and it is a single joint exercise. isolation?
compound.
like i said....WHO CARES about how many joints are used!? the thing that matters is the amount of muscles used or activated when performing these movements in order to recruit as many possible motor units!
but then again, single leg stiff leg deadlifts work many muscles and it is a single joint exercise. isolation?
compound.
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Wrangel this is the bottom line:
If two or more joints are involved at the same time of the movement, its a compound. This includes the preacher curl. Its this simple, and simplicity is good.
If one is involved, its an isolation. Its this simple, and simplicity is good.
You never answered my question about the preacher and you claim it is a compound 2 joint movement.
Now you've said it again - above.
O.K. - name the 2 joints involved in those bicep curl exercises you claim are " compound " i.e the preacher.
One is the 1 elbow joint involved - what is the other joint involved ?
Which " two or more joints are involved " in the preacher - just name the 2.
Simple.
Deadlift=Compound (lets view the HIPS in ths movement)There is a an obvious difference between the concentration curl and Preacher curl: Preacher curl with a barbell---two joints are moving, and with the concentration curl (dumbell), only one is moving---pretty simple stuff.
Very simple question then - name the 2 joints involved in the preacher you refer to above.
Do that and this debate can end very quickly.
iBut lets no hijack this thread with our obvious differences in opinion.
It's not an opinion - but a matter of fact.
Preacher curls involve only 1 joint - so by definition ( YOUR definition btw ) - they cannot be compound exercises.
Compound movements are important to consider in an exercise program, and the difference I was just clarifying for the OP. A simple google will clarify my opinion, and yes, compound movements generally involve more than one muscle---but this isnt always the case.
I stated my opinion to the OP. And, this was my goal. Im done here, unless the OP has other questions.
I have some Log work to do..........Im out with a SHOUT: (lol)
ROCK ON-----OP!
I stated my opinion to the OP. And, this was my goal. Im done here, unless the OP has other questions.
I have some Log work to do..........Im out with a SHOUT: (lol)
ROCK ON-----OP!
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Very simple question then - name the 2 joints involved in the preacher you refer to above
if you are doing preacher curls with a barbell, you use both arms(2 arms), so you are using 2 joints(1 per arm). its the joint used in elbow flexion.
im not agreeing with anyone, just answering your question.
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whether "compound" refers to how many joints are used(you very well may be correct) or whether it means compounded muscle usage.
Chillen says it based on joints
I say it is based on joints
Bodybuilding.com says it is based on joints etc. etc. etc.
like i said....WHO CARES about how many joints are used!? the thing that matters is the amount of muscles used or activated when performing these movements in order to recruit as many possible motor units!
Whatever, but the debate is whether any form of bicep curl is an isolation or a compound exercise...and based on the definition Chillen provided himself ..preacher can only be an isolation - cause only 1 joint in inolved.
but then again, single leg stiff leg deadlifts work many muscles and it is a single joint exercise. isolation?
compound.
Which joint ?
Compound movements refer to the chain of joints. A squat is compound because you are activating the hips and knee, and if you want to get technical the ankle. A leg curl is an isolation because you are only activating at the knee, it doesn't matter if both knees are activating because each knee is part of a different chain.
Looking to the preacher curl you'll see that you technically are activating at the elbow and the wrist, but the wrist really isn't moving dynamically. So a preacher curl is a single-chain movement (isolation).
Looking to the preacher curl you'll see that you technically are activating at the elbow and the wrist, but the wrist really isn't moving dynamically. So a preacher curl is a single-chain movement (isolation).