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No problem AMPman. How is it hangen'. Thanks, the holidays are great!
AMPman:
AMPman accidently hit himself with an electric frying PAN, and this made AMPman black and TAN; however, this act sparked a brain SCAN and assisted AMPman with his overall diet PLAN.
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Chillen
HA! I got ya back, brotha.....HEHEHEHE
Man, its getting sort of late for holiday shopping......Hop, hop, better get on it, brotha!
Best regards,
Chillen
My employer is funny, I can be online, and post, but not on yahoo......LOL. OKayeeeeeeeeedokie.....
Any hoot........Im going home. Was a rather uneventful day at work--no problems....means more time on my hands, which means I post to the forum. LOL.... Nice job eh? Well, its not quite like that.....
When I get home I have things I have to do, and then when I get back from that, I am going to Cardio.....BLAST myself (and yes this is PRIOR to my Weight Routine) by a few hours. JUST DO IT!
Be just after 5 or so......probably around 6p
ROCK IT!
Chillen
Any hoot........Im going home. Was a rather uneventful day at work--no problems....means more time on my hands, which means I post to the forum. LOL.... Nice job eh? Well, its not quite like that.....
When I get home I have things I have to do, and then when I get back from that, I am going to Cardio.....BLAST myself (and yes this is PRIOR to my Weight Routine) by a few hours. JUST DO IT!
Be just after 5 or so......probably around 6p
ROCK IT!
Chillen
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You were short with your answer and didnt answer my questions.
Whats up jon?
im sorry, chillen...i havent been inspired to read anything more than i have to now except scriptures...
honestly, it makes me sad reading about achieving goals, and anything for that matter, concerning lifting. that is why i left the site for so long.
again; i am sorry for the leap of absense...i know how much effort you put into everything.
You said in another thread you took in only about 10% / 200 calories or so of your calories from carbs during your ' Keto ' diet phase to cut fat. And, if I recall correctly, you were taking in about 2,300 +/- during your training ( depending if you're training on a given day or not etc. ). I'm curious......
- How were the remaining 90% of your calories allocated between fat and protein ....% from fat ? % from protein ?
- And, if you recall, what % did your total saturated fats come to per day ?
- And, if you recall, what % did your total saturated fats come to per day ?
HA! I got ya back, brotha.....HEHEHEHE
Man, its getting sort of late for holiday shopping......Hop, hop, better get on it, brotha!
Best regards,
Chillen
Yea you did, I'll be lookin' to get you back again soon.
I like to think I'm a pretty efficient shopper, so I can get it all done in just a couple days!! Woot!
We have always been able to talk before, Jon. What is the difference now? When you are ready to talk (you have my e-mail address and yahoo messenger screen name) let me know and I will talk with you when you are ready to. I sense a "depressed" tone in your post. Let me know when you feel up to it.
Hope things are well, Jon. I miss you on the forum and posting to the COL.
Best wishes to you
Chillen
LOL...A male an efficient shopper. I like the fact that "us" males (HEHEHE) get in the store and get the heck out.
) ). Instead of the opposite sex roaming around the store all day and all night for one item......LOL.The post I made in the OOC was "okay", but still better than yours. HEHEHE
Hey Chillen,
I think you know me well enough to know I'm not being argumentative (in fact I can't stand the ugliness that's been going on lately), but I was curious about something.
I don't understand what people mean when they say they hit a wall when cutting. Did you not lose any weight no matter what your deficit was? Did you lose, but you think you were losing too much muscle?
I think you know me well enough to know I'm not being argumentative (in fact I can't stand the ugliness that's been going on lately), but I was curious about something.
I don't understand what people mean when they say they hit a wall when cutting. Did you not lose any weight no matter what your deficit was? Did you lose, but you think you were losing too much muscle?
A good logical question, Gooch. No problem.
Hitting a plateau (or a slow down, and/or complete stoppage in fat tissue loss) does occurr and it in fact occurred with me.
I lost well over 30lbs on a regular deficit diet and rather simple weight training and never hit a fat tissue loss slow down or stoppage during "this" loss period. However, when my fat percentage became low, this was a different story all together.
When it came down to the "last pocket" so-to-speak (sub 10% approx to 8%), it was HARD, it just seems my body was fighting back tooth and nail to keep it, lol. I just got tougher.......than it and it came off....and that's that........Im the boss, not it. And, I got smarter and gave it something it couldn't deal with......HEHEHEH, and it gave it up (messen, he, he, lol).
Im not going to go into specific details (unless you ask and I would be happy too), but I was having some complications losing the last small portion of lower ab fat tissue--seemingly no matter what I tried (at least in a 3 month period prior to Keto). And, I tried "alot" of different things before I reverted to the Keto diet. One thing I wasnt going to do, was drop my deficits too low from what they were, but did adjust them---through INCREASED exercise.
Most know how paricular I am about diet, so I wont get into this portion. With this in mind, at the time in February 07 (approx), I was not doing any cardio just weight training work. This is KEY TO KNOW. Therefore the cardio became an added calorie burner and something introduced as new to my body. However, in February I started doing 1 per day or doing cardio 7 days per week and weight training in splits during the week.
I did alot of studying on the effects of cardio (dependent upon many factors). At this time I began a progressive tier (like the one in May), and even kept my deficits the same (as if I wasnt doing it, thus logically creating an additional small deficit). I did this for month along with weight training. Strength increasing, weights going UP on lifts; however, the fat tissue on the lower ab portion wasn't not coming off after about 4 weeks (and this is more than enough time). And, I wasnt going any further with this arrangment--because the MAIN result I wanted wasnt there.
This is logical. It wasnt working on to something else.
I don't play around when I do cardio so I know it wasnt a performance/intensity issue nor a deficit calorie issue.
If you look at the February 2007 Photo (I have posted them), the abs were clearly there, but I was smooth, and alot of persons would have been happy with this alone. But from the get go, I had a Clear and Concise goal, and it this point, it hadnt been met.
After this, there was a period of time (another 4 week period approx), I reduced all my rest periods between lifts to 1 minute, and increased cardio from 7 days a week to 10 times per week (which means I did some doubles), made some adjustments in deficits, and it still was not coming off.
I was flat working my butt off on this problem. I tried many combinations of different things.
In other words in 3, 4 week segments prior to May 07, I tried three different types of things in 3 months (12 weeks--sure I could have done other things, and Keto was always an option, but I was reverting to other methods FIRST before going to it, but after 3 months, I decided to give it a shot. If it didnt work, okay-fine, then on to something else). But, I wasnt giving up, as I knew there was an answer: I just didnt find it yet.
In other words, I didn't go into Keto without about 3 months of work in trying to remove it through manipulations of deficits and increase exercise (etc, etc).
Keto was among some other options, and its just one I selected. I don't see any problems with it actually. One can argue some health implications, and energy systems all day long (and twice on Sunday's), but one cant argue the results I received. This is why I will NOT discuss this portion of it. Im stubborn, I know.
In 4 weeks time, I made more progress in the GOAL I wanted than the previous three months, and the pics for May 07 speak for themselves. I came off it in June, and did some other things the next two weeks leading to June 07.
Understand, I selected many options (and performed these options in my home made gym and in diet) BEFORE selecting Keto. I just didn't all of sudden select it out of the blue. This wasn't the case.
If you want I can be more detailed in what I did prior to Keto, as their is a possibility that one of the three things I tried could help you. I dont know for sure of course, but its a probability nonetheless.
All I have ever done is perform hard work. I never looked for a magic pill as my "skin covered the magic pill" to poduce the results I wanted. If you see what I am saying. And we ALL have this.
Best wishes to you.
Chillen
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I'm not having that problem (at least yet) I can easily lose weight as my metabolism is very high which I've mentioned on the forum before. In fact my main fear is losing too much weight or not being able to stop so I will periodically bump up my calories for a couple weeks just to make sure I can hold my weight relatively steady.
I don't seem to follow that "rule of thumb" 500 cal over maintenance to gain 1 lb a week and 500 under to lose 1 lb. If I'm at 4000 cals I hold pretty much even, but if I drop it just 300 cals to 3700 I'll lose a little over a lb a week.....and I get a big jump the first week switching to either. Last time I jumped up to 4000 I gained 3 lbs in 4 days then held pretty much even. When I cut back to 3700 I dropped 2 lbs in 2 days then proceeded to lose a little over 1 lb a week.
I don't seem to follow that "rule of thumb" 500 cal over maintenance to gain 1 lb a week and 500 under to lose 1 lb. If I'm at 4000 cals I hold pretty much even, but if I drop it just 300 cals to 3700 I'll lose a little over a lb a week.....and I get a big jump the first week switching to either. Last time I jumped up to 4000 I gained 3 lbs in 4 days then held pretty much even. When I cut back to 3700 I dropped 2 lbs in 2 days then proceeded to lose a little over 1 lb a week.
When you gauge your weight when you have manipulated calories, how and when were your weighing yourself? Weight will "generally" increase approximately (dependant upon some factors of course) about 5 pounds or so from when you first get up in the AM after a nights sleep due to fluids and food consumption. Were you weighing yourself at the same times in the AM?
For example. If you weigh yourself on Monday at 9A (and you just got out of bed--and havent eaten) and say you weigh 190lbs. If on Wednesday you weigh yourself in the afternoon say 3p (and you had lunch at noon 3 hours before, and breakfast before this for example), your gonna weigh more than Mondays weigh (dependent on some factors), but more than likely. Due to obvious differences of fluid rentention and food consumption. (and the REVERSE can be true)
I wish mine is that high. LOL. Id be gorging NPB...Like a mad man LOL
. Just kidding.I used to love getting up in the morning to weigh especially when I was around 8%. I was wicked lean, and had no water retention at the time (for sleeping 8 hours), and would sometimes weigh around 152 to 154 (somewhere in between sometimes). The feeling I got was not measurable and makes the hard work worth it. When one works for something there is no greater satisfaction when the goal is achieved, man..... really.....its a fantastic feeling......isnt it?
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Yeah, I account for all that especially since I have to eat so much my weight can be significantly higher in the evening than in the morning.
My "official" weigh-ins are first thing in the morning before eating or drinking anything, but after using the bathroom (maybe this is tmi, but that includes a "morning constitutional") and with no clothes. Right now using these guidelines I'm 189.4. In the evening with food in my system, fully hydrated, dressed etc. I can weigh as much as 198
My "official" weigh-ins are first thing in the morning before eating or drinking anything, but after using the bathroom (maybe this is tmi, but that includes a "morning constitutional") and with no clothes. Right now using these guidelines I'm 189.4. In the evening with food in my system, fully hydrated, dressed etc. I can weigh as much as 198
Actually, Chillen, I did have 2 questions about how you managed your " Keto " diet.
You said in another thread you took in only about 10% / 200 calories or so of your calories from carbs during your ' Keto ' diet phase to cut fat....or, only about 50 grams or so of carbs per day.
And, if I recall correctly, you were taking in about 2,300 +/- during your training ( depending if you're training on a given day or not etc. ).
I'm curious, could you tell me ......
- How were the remaining 90% of your calories on a 2,300 +/- calorie training diet allocated between fat and protein ....i.e if carb intake was 10% or less, what was your % intake from fat ? what was your % intake from protein ?
- And, if you recall, what % did your total saturated fats come to per day ?
- And, if you recall, what % did your total saturated fats come to per day ?
Welcome your thoughts.
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I am planning on giving keto a shot (for the first time ever) after Christmas myself, and i'd really like to know the answers to Wrangell's questions as well, because i'd like to gather as much info on keto as I can... and you have experience.
I am specifically interested in what your average % intake was from fat, protein, and carbs was..?
Specifcally to RWS:
I want to be SURE to emphasize for those that have not read the other posts in the COL, that I used this diet "only" when my fat percentage got low, and was having "some" difficulty in losing a small portion of body fat (mainly the lower ab region).
The deficit diet v. exercise is the "ultimate fat burner" with no equal. I have preached this very thing in many, many posts. So do not misunderstand me.
In addition, I want to mention--that no over the counter fat loss pill--would have cured this complication--AT ALL--dada....not happenen.
So when body fat drops and your looking for a magic pill (over the counter) your wasting your time IMO. In addition, I selected this diet only after battling--a small bit of fat loss- for approximately 3 months: I won. (HEHEHHEH
).I paid MORE attention to two things: 1. My deficit (of -500c or slightly less), 2. Ensuring I was under 50g of carbs. These two things were of most importance to the carb down phase in my opinion. In addition, my carbs came "mainly" from leavy green vegitables, and very low carb dressings with careful ingredients (no HFC, other sugars, etc). I used vineger alot. I ate no fruits, breads, cereals, LGB Rice, oatmeal, etc, these were all out of the question. See RWS, this diet is tough....as you can see. When I craved something sweet, I would eat sugar free/low carb jello and a low fat/low carb whipped cream previously selected and determined by my Doc as be okay for the "purposes" of the diet. The object of a keto diet is to deplete the liver of it's glycogen stores as quickly as possible so that fat burning occurs. This is done by severely restricting carbohydrates and eating only sources of proteins and fats. (Im not going to discuss the "Internal Logistics--body sources of fuel, blah, blah" within anyone, this doesnt do anything for me, I just want the bottom line, and I had already discuss some logistics with someone I trust.)
I limited NPB to a single serving per day (I had to have this, lol, and it fit within the rules-though it took about 210c right of the bat and about 6g of carbs). My diet consisted Mainly of Beef, Chicken, Pork, and Fish, with adding (sometimes) an appropriate amount of the right kind of butter. My calorie MT LINE varied each day, but the deficit remained around approximately 300c. I didnt get absolutely KEEN on the percentages of protein and fats as much as I was concerned with eating low carb and keep my carbs under 50g (and if this occurred, with eating the other things I mentioned, than it would take "just care of itself", and it did).
If one would just simply take the time to read on the KETO diet (and its variance types--as there isnt just one way to do it, this would invoke a more understanding on it). This has worked for many a dieter, and usually for a short period, and does include a CarbUp period in addition to the CarbDown period.
Chillen
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I'd like to learn more about keto diets as well.
And, given Chillen seems to have had some ' first hand ' experience with keto diets.......I'm looking forward to hearing his answers to my questions as well.
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