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This is an interesting article on T-Nation - Are you strong? There are also strength standards on Exrx. The T-Nations article is interesting because it lists pullups/dips/pushups (bodyweight stuff) and many don't do bodyweight and weights.
The actual stated minimum is rather low, like 8 pullups. But when looking at highly motivated units like seals or special forces, applicants typically do way above the stated minimum.
I would assume this number to be a low percentage. Probably higher somewhat in the "prime" age bracket, and lower in the post 35 YOA bracket.
Pull-ups/Chin-ups have been a mainstay in my routine for quite sometime. When I first started, I couldn't do more than 4 with my body weight, and this was after about 6 months of mainly gearing my weight training more metabolic for weight tissue loss (when I first started). Weight training really, didn't do much to improve it. Now, (currently) I can do 16 with two 25 pound plates hanging from my waist with a leather belt. Which would bring the body weight over 200 pounds. 20 is rather easy with just my body weight at present, and I usually combine higher rep Chins/Pulls with lower rep Chins/pulls dependent on goal position. 20 is a very reachable number for some fitness seekers (with just body weight), if one merely trains for it, and gives it a little time.
Fitness is a very personal journey. One ought to be more concerned with beating their own personal records (on average), than trying to best someone else. There is always someone, better, stronger, bigger, leaner. Live true to your own wants and desires, have passion, and goals flower and produce abundantly. Beating and improving one's self is the common problem with most people, let alone trying to live up to the standards of someone else.
Best regards,
Chillen
I have been doing them for quite a while now (about 3 years). At certain times, I will combine Chins/Pulls with weight training during rest between sets of exercises, such as the Bent Over Row, T-Bar Row, etc. For example, Do one set of T-bar row, go immediately to wide-grip (palms facing) Pulls, and then rest 30 seconds, repeat (when metabolically driven). The weight on the exercise (T-bar row, etc), is lower as compared to when I do them alone. At first this was rather difficult, because my Bi's fatigued first, and it limits some movement, but they eventually caught up and hang in now (when I do it, dependent). I owe a lot to Chins/Pulls, and it is a definite strength improver/builder.
Best regards,
Chillen
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Yep, I have to say that's pretty damn impressive, that would make you about my weight and I think I can only manage about 12
When I first began, I couldn't DB press 50 pounds (this is combined weight, mind you), and BB press 100 pounds--approximately (had a weird strength placement). Couldn't do one sit-up, or leg raise, planks put me in the coffin, squats less then 150 pounds made waddle like a duck for weeks (and I couldn't have sex either
). My back felt like a butcher knife went through it, and I breathed heavy just walking up one flight of stairs, at 44 years old (at the time). There is a starting point, and a continuing point. Personal improvement comes in-between, and progressing (personally) until your lifestyle one day ends.
Real is truth. Real is where it is.
Best wishes,
Chillen
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Of, course Chillen you said it perfectly... :luxlove:
That said it all. It is a *personal* journey, that each person must face, and it isn't productive to criticize others work. We each do what we can do, and we'll get where we are going in our time.
My weights are laughable to many here, but they are *my* weights. It's not for others to determine my "worthiness". There are appropriate ways to address each others abilities, and be constructive in how we convey our opinions.
Lets be respectful....
Why does the average gym rat need to be able to have these numbers? What are these numbers going to do for the average gym rat? Why does an accountant need to be able to deadlift twice their bodyweight? Why does a surgeon need to squat 1.5x bodyweight?
Does that have a low GI rating?
100% agree.
Remember the old saying: A house divided can not stand.
Work as a team and a family; we make one another strong and turn on what the person once thought couldn't be enabled.
We must try to be positive enablers.
Best regards,
Chillen
LMAO, depends who's it is.
When I first began, I couldn't DB press 50 pounds (this is combined weight, mind you), and BB press 100 pounds--approximately (had a weird strength placement). Couldn't do one sit-up, or leg raise, planks put me in the coffin, squats less then 150 pounds made waddle like a duck for weeks (and I couldn't have sex either
There is a starting point, and a continuing point. Personal improvement comes in-between, and progressing (personally) until your lifestyle one day ends.
Real is truth. Real is where it is.
Best wishes,
Chillen
wow those are very humble beginnings.
thanks for the inspiration man. im going to keep at it and stay dedicated with my sight set on amazing goals.
thats awesome that you can do 16 with 50lbs attached chillen. thats 1337.
i can probably only do 16 with body weight.
i switch off working them 1 time a week, and 2 times a week.
when i row 2 times a week, i pullup 1 time a week. when i pullup 2 times a week, i row 1 time a week.
u think thats enough? any tips/ideas?!
I was chatting with a client who was on a high school swim team. Everyone on the team had to do 20 pullups or chinups consecutively and the leader did 30+. But, none of them was over 17 or weighed over 150 pounds or could bench his weight.
If you are an adult and can do 20 chinups or pullups, that is impressive and rare.
If you are an adult and can do 20 chinups or pullups, that is impressive and rare.
Many gym rats who want to be human bisons (e.g. they train the biceps and chest and ignore legs) do not have pullups (or squats) featuring anywhere in there routine. I have not looked at your journal g8r80, for example but what do you do for vertical pull? Any pullups? Even without looking I would guess not.
People believe myths that they are too heavy to do pullups/chinups and that they should stick to the assisted pullup machine for life. Look at the stronglifts website and tell me if that is not a 310 lbs individual doing 21 pullups.
Compare the size of the lats and the size of the biceps, you have people doing 21 different types of bicep curls and zero/nothing for the lats - is that proportionate?
People believe myths that they are too heavy to do pullups/chinups and that they should stick to the assisted pullup machine for life. Look at the stronglifts website and tell me if that is not a 310 lbs individual doing 21 pullups.
Compare the size of the lats and the size of the biceps, you have people doing 21 different types of bicep curls and zero/nothing for the lats - is that proportionate?