Yet another person who didn't really read every post...
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Yet another person who didn't really read every post...
If you look through the posts, there are posts reference to muscle growth (or mass if you will) and protein requirements. I was just taking another angle, while protein IS important, it ISNT the THE THING that CAUSES MASS. The body is a universal machine, and its a combination of the CORRECT stimulus (training), along WITH proper ratios of nutrients (taylored to the person and how they respond to it as everyone is different), and THIS works together as one unit to assist in gaining mass, NOT just protein. For example, if progressive overload (which of course is important), is all that it took to gain mass, and weight continually went up, we all would be monsters, but it doesnt happen this way (most of you know this, so dont take what I am saying the wrong way, please). An example of nutrient importance, say for example your not getting enough IRON, and the thyroid (an important organ I would say), is loosing it efficiency do to this deficiency in IRON, it wont run properly, and no amount of protien will help you, case closed. For one the thyroid, is a primary performer in metabolism, and if this is hurt, mass is hurt. I think its best just to look around educate ones self on protein: see what reputatable web sites and other doctors say (you will go CRAZY with the different opinions, geesh), experiment with differing amounts of gram intake (1 To 1.5 per body weight, etc, no absolutes), and see what works best, but bare in mind, that even if you learn your proper protein intake, is the stimulous in the gym proper? My in-law takes in 2.0 per lb of body weight (she is 65--doctor ordered, and she isnt walking around like a prime Arnold S).......
In my opinion (based on articles I have read), protein IS NOT the primary responsible party in gaining mass........give up the marketing crap (No disrespect to anyone), what is the primary responsible parties (s), is the combination of nutrients as conclusive WHOLE, as each organ in the body have needs INDEPENDENT of protien to function.
In my opinion (based on articles I have read), protein IS NOT the primary responsible party in gaining mass........give up the marketing crap (No disrespect to anyone), what is the primary responsible parties (s), is the combination of nutrients as conclusive WHOLE, as each organ in the body have needs INDEPENDENT of protien to function.
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Chillen, you are a funny guy too. 
If you want to start a thread concerning the various pathways that lead to hypertrophy..... feel free too. Jumping into a thread that deals with protein requirements in isolation, and adding nothing of substance to the topic, spewing basic facts probably isn't the brightest thing.
Again, reading comprehension really seems to be lacking anymore around here. Am I missing something?
If you want to start a thread concerning the various pathways that lead to hypertrophy..... feel free too. Jumping into a thread that deals with protein requirements in isolation, and adding nothing of substance to the topic, spewing basic facts probably isn't the brightest thing.
Again, reading comprehension really seems to be lacking anymore around here. Am I missing something?
Stoutman, dont attack me man--this isnt right nor good edequate. My intention is to help and assist others and that is it, I cannt help if your comprehension of what I write doesnt sit with you well, I do GIVE GOOD ADVICE and what I wrote was within the SUBJECT MATTER of MASS building. Whats wrong with you? back off of me. So what if I got a little more in depth, and yes I did provide substance to this subject. Stoutman, you act like your THE knowledeable person on this forum, and I gurantee you this is further than the truth. Though I may respect your knowledge (and may even seek it once in a while), your ego is getting the better of ya, bra!
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I dont feel I was corrected in the SLIGHTEST on anything stoutman and I discussed. Nor am I whining (lol), I assure you Im no girl. And, my post was not directed to you. If you read the forums, I do give good advice and opinions, I dont claim to know everything, nor will I EVER claim that I do. So be nice, Okay. I bet stoutman is a nice guy, I never said he wasnt.
What the hell are you talking about?! Ego? What ego? I think the person that posts a bunch of random tidbits and facts that aren't related to the topic in the thread shows more ego than anything that was said by Strout.
Part of what I wrote was a carry over from remarks he made on a different subject in a different thread, and this is the reason I posted what I did toward him. ALL of my posts in EVERY thread I have posted to has been relevent to the subject (with the exception of one when I first signed up of which I apologized for). If am guilty of anything, its going to in-depth on the subject matter or topic, my intentions are good and I do believe my opinions are good for the most part. This is the last post on this. This wont get us anywhere, and Im stopping it. But I will not stop giving my opinion. I have practical experience and other education on this subject, and it CAN help others. I have walked the walk, and know how it feels when going down the road to their goal (s), and I do truely want to help, I'm not trying to fight with anyone. Okay?
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Yeah, I was going to say something about that too but it was almost to obvious to point out.
Chillen - Do you ever reread what you write?
1. What makes you think that this is about you? Or about me? Believe this or not, I've been nice to this point. Now I think it's time you get over yourself and face the facts. This isn't an issue between you and myself. We are discussing the topics at hand, which in this particular thread deal with protein utilization, period.
2. For future reference, I am not here to make friends. Nor am I here to adhere to somebody else's idea of "forum etiquette." I AM here to discuss good information. Learn. Give advice where I am competent. That's it.
And when I see you do that, I promise you, I won't "butt" in.
However, when I see you post irrelevant information and/or incorrect information (see other thread), I am going to jump in. Because I actually DO care about the truth and do care about what less "knowing" people obtain from this forum.
Kidding? Right?
You really think I am having problems comprehending the "data" you are presenting. If so, you've grossly underestimated me.
If anything, I am having a hard time making out your English. I am assuming it's your second language, which is why I haven't said anything to this point. If not, the only thing I see you doing besides giving people a headache is spewing metric-tons of "bro-science."
Haha, foot, meet mouth.
Earth to Chillen:
This thread is ABOUT PROTEIN UTILIZATION IN ISOLATION.
NOT "MASS BUILDING."
Therefore, you were corrected by me, which is what started this nonsense. I corrected you b/c you were contributing nothing of substance to the topic at hand.
Are you seeing the light yet?
Nothing, thanks. I feel fine.
PUBLIC forum. I am not harassing you in the least. If you contribute information to a public message board, you darn well better expect people to comment on it.
If you don't like that idea, you might consider investing in a personal journal you can write in.
Do you want me to make a poll and get other's opinions on this?
Don't make me go back and cut and paste what you've contributed so far to this thread, with regards to information concerning PROTEIN UTILIZATION.
I don't "act" like anything.
I've been around for quite a while. Earn my respect, and that's what you'll get.....RESPECT.
I expect the same from others towards me. Quite a few people here can vouch for the respect I give them.
If I spew poor and/or irrelevant information, you darn well better believe I want someone to correct me.
Are you suggesting that I don't know what I'm talking about?
You are rite, I be stoopid!!!!LOLZ!!111111
Thanks for the advice Sigmund. You've got me pinned.
Keep it to that thread, bra!
You've already stated that your information posted here was concerning the subject of MASS BUILDING.
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That is not the subject of this thread.
For some far-fetched reason, I think even after reading this, you still won't understand this.
Please.
If you listen to anything I say in this post, please listen to this.
I beg you to take exactly what you said here, in the other thread regarding meal frequency:
"you can also effect your metabolism in a positive manner, by eating small to medium size meals OFTEN during the day, meaning about every 3 to 4 hours or so. Its like putting fire in the furnance, while still maintaining your caloric deficit"
And post these same exact words, here, in this forum:
I have no doubt that your intentions are good.
I prefer facts over opinions.
Science, as you so eloquently disregarded in the other thread is just that. Science. However, when it's applied, and matches real world resutls..... I tend to buy into it more so than opinions.
Especially when said opinions are based on n=1
And I will not stop commenting where I see fit.
And?
Plenty of us around here do. I don't see your point though.
How about this:
I've been a member here for a couple of years I think. Maybe a little less. See how many people I've talked to "like this."
You will find none.
That might tell you something.
Roger.
Over and out.
So if I use the equation of kilo to protein:
85.45k (188lbs) - 128g protein
Now I wasn't exactly trying to bulk up -- I've put on roughly 15 lbs in the last few months after quitting smoking. I was more trying to "rearrange" the weight I've got and maybe drop 10 or 20 pounds.
So should I stick to a minimum of 128g protein/day and take a calorie deficit in some other area?
85.45k (188lbs) - 128g protein
Now I wasn't exactly trying to bulk up -- I've put on roughly 15 lbs in the last few months after quitting smoking. I was more trying to "rearrange" the weight I've got and maybe drop 10 or 20 pounds.
So should I stick to a minimum of 128g protein/day and take a calorie deficit in some other area?
Personally, I would lose LBM if I cut on that low of a protein intake. When dieting, protein requirements actually go up.
Like I said in a different thread in response to you, Stoutman. I am not engaging in your little rants or gross imaturities, and this will be the last I promise.
Diet and nutrition can be debated all day, one trainer and/or dietition will train and put someone on a different regemin then the next, and is not ONLY subject to your interpretations of science or other information. over and out.
I will continue to give advice on what worked for me and see if will or will not work for someone else (as everyone is different), and some of this will not sit with you well, I am sure of it.
I am not full of myself, but I can say I am proof that things I did, got my abs to POP, I would say that this is far better than someone giving advice and CANT walk the talk or havent done it themselves but are full of advice they cant back up. I tend to get a little windy I agree with some of my posts. I will work on this. Cheers.
Diet and nutrition can be debated all day, one trainer and/or dietition will train and put someone on a different regemin then the next, and is not ONLY subject to your interpretations of science or other information. over and out.
I will continue to give advice on what worked for me and see if will or will not work for someone else (as everyone is different), and some of this will not sit with you well, I am sure of it.
I am not full of myself, but I can say I am proof that things I did, got my abs to POP, I would say that this is far better than someone giving advice and CANT walk the talk or havent done it themselves but are full of advice they cant back up. I tend to get a little windy I agree with some of my posts. I will work on this. Cheers.
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Best of luck to you.
I am sure it's not the last time we will be talking, based on the quality of info you've selflessly shared with us to date.
Thanks so much.
stroutman81,
Hate to get in the middle of you and Chillen, but any recommendations on my last post?
Thanks in advance!
Hate to get in the middle of you and Chillen, but any recommendations on my last post?
Thanks in advance!
My recommendation would be to get actually more than 1 gram per pound of LBM of protein. Reason being.... when dieting, you need to look for every edge possible to preserve LBM. This is accomplished using various strategies. One of them being an increase in protein intake.
Puts more aminos in the pool of blood which is easily accessible, which means less chance of getting the aminos from existing stores, read muscle.
As this thread has made pain-stakingly obvious, some would not agree with me. However, based on what I've seen empirically, this is the approach I use.
It is all based on theory, what you take from the current research (which is indecisive at best), and hands on experience. And for me and my clients, upping protein while dieting has certainly aided maintenance of muscle.
Puts more aminos in the pool of blood which is easily accessible, which means less chance of getting the aminos from existing stores, read muscle.
As this thread has made pain-stakingly obvious, some would not agree with me. However, based on what I've seen empirically, this is the approach I use.
It is all based on theory, what you take from the current research (which is indecisive at best), and hands on experience. And for me and my clients, upping protein while dieting has certainly aided maintenance of muscle.