Weight-Loss Low Fat Diet?

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I think my point was that this seemed to be focusing on the percentage of fat - and that the percentage is a really lousy statistic. I'm not sure what a slow oxidizer is, I just think that it's dangerous to say '20% is good' when it means you'd eat the cookie with 200 calories and 8g of fat instead of the 45 calorie, 1g of fat cookie. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to realize that having the second cookie for your splurge would help more with weight loss.

Also, I'm a little confused about the peanut butter thing. I've considered having chocolate three times a day for my sweet tooth - one unsweetened chocolate chip with every meal. I haven't actually done this, but it gets back to my point - having chocolate 'three times a day' in the form of three chocolate chips is probably better for weight loss & health than having a Hostess Cupcake three times a week. I'm not sure why exactly a little a few times a week isn't moderation, but a bunch after a month is. Three slices of pizza over a month of time is still three slices of pizza whether you binge it or break it up - unless maybe you're trying for ketosis or something.

I'm not trying to twist words - I'm just saying to look at some other perspectives. There are a host of things that play into weight loss - calories in vs calories out is still the most important - that it's good to consider all of them, instead of basing it just on a single number. Especially if that number is a percentage. The article I linked before is actually very good reading as to the pitfalls of this.

As to the OPs request - if you're looking for low fat as in less than 30% then there are definitely things you can do. Fruits and veggies are low in fat and good in fiber (which is important if you're going low fat for your cholesterol). Protein shakes can be a good way to get your protein intake met without adding extra fat. Skinless chicken breasts are your friend. Lentils & beans are also good options. Watch out for processed foods which include unknown additives - not to mention restaurants which have who knows what in them. Also, I've seen the following ratio of fats suggested - 1:2:1 for Saturated, Mono-unsaturated, Poly-unsaturated. Mono-unsaturated being the 'healthiest' fat.


Well my point is did you eat that much chocolate before you decided to lose weight? I mean it is about making better choices so when you were not thinking about what you were eating were you eating chocolate everyday because of your sweet tooth or would you get a candy bar every now and then. I mean what you say about te cupcake. Why not get rid of the chocolate chips and then once every two weeks treat yourself to a bad ass dessert at a restaurant?

I am not sure where the confusion ended up. I went back and read what I typed.

200 calorie cookie with 8 grams of fat = 72 fat calories and that is 36% fat so I would advocate that is too high of a ratio to eat.

However the 45 calorie cookie with 1 gram of fat = 9 calories from fat which is 20% and this is what I call a better bad choice. If you are at say a baby shower and they have some cookies labeled like the above. The make the better bad choice and go with the 45 calorie cookie.

The peanut butter and chocolate thing just doesn't make sense.

I mean for one when I was heavy I never really had a lot of ice cream. I mean I would have every now and then but it was never in my house nor did I go out for it often.

So then when I decide to lose weight, I add it into my meals once or twice a day? Why would I do that? why not just stick to the every now and then and focus on the other choices I need to make?
 
I think we'll need to agree to disagree on this one. Fats over the course of the day is what matters to me. I eat a LOT of foods that contain 70% of higher fat content. Olive oil, canola oil, almonds, sunflower seeds, peanut butter to name a few. I assure you that in an average day, 20-30% of my _TOTAL_ calories are from fat. I see nothing wrong with this. All my fat sources are for the most part poly and mono unsaturated. It's incredibly healthy.... For anyone regardless of their goals to eat this way.

As for your question about me, I'm doing great. I'm now at 215lbs and gaining quite nicely. I plan to continue bulking till 230 and start cutting then. Had a minor snafu with the flu last couple weeks so made some backwards progress. Abs are starting to disappear too as my bodyfat is starting to creep up. Oh well, all part of the game..
 
For what it's worth, my nutritionist recommended eating as much avocado as possible - and they're 77% fat.

As for the chocolate chips vs a badass dessert - because 1) personal preference and 2) having the 'badass dessert' would spike my blood sugar whereas the unsweetened chips don't.

As for 'before' the weight loss - well, I'd been known to make a pan of brownies and eat them in the same day. Sometimes twice in the same month. I don't know the exact numbers but I'm pretty sure that adds up to a whole lot more than 90 unsweetened chocolate chips. I'm not eating a chocolate chip with every meal, but I do grab three chocolate chips now and again when I want a bit of chocolate.

If trading out 1200+ calories of junk for 300 calories worth of chocolate per month doesn't make sense to you, then I'm not sure I can explain it.

In any event, I guess the questions for me are this:

You can choose a meal that's 500 calories and 10g of saturated fat, or a meal that's 300 calories with 2g of saturated fat and 15g of unsaturated fat - which one would you recommend? Sugars & starches aside, I'd go with the one that had less saturated fat and fewer calories rather than the one with <20% of the calories coming from fat.
 
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In any event, I guess the questions for me are this:

You can choose a meal that's 500 calories and 10g of saturated fat, or a meal that's 300 calories with 2g of saturated fat and 15g of unsaturated fat - which one would you recommend? Sugars & starches aside, I'd go with the one that had less saturated fat and fewer calories rather than the one with <20% of the calories coming from fat.

Bingo.........
 
You're saying you would choose the one with higher saturated fat just because it's under the "magic number"? Interesting.
If that's true, then it pretty much tells me that I shouldn't pay attention to any other information from this poster.
 
Well actually no! There are so many ways I can answer this. I would have to know what the meals were. First of all I will not be willing to eat either of those meals with those types of numbers. Both of those meals are horrible nutritiously.

So I would eat neither if I was going to get back to real life soon i.e. food that I like. If I needed to eat something and these two things were the only things to eat then I would cut the 500 calorie in half and eat that.

If I am forced to eat one i.e. by gunpoint then I will have whichever one will be more delicious!
 
If that's true, then it pretty much tells me that I shouldn't pay attention to any other information from this poster.

Really Kara? Because you know everything? You know you say that I think ONLY my way is right but UM are you not saying only your way is right by making posts like this? Where the hell did you get your info???

You know, I look the part honey! I would not go to a personal trainer to train me who weighed 180 pounds and had 22% bodyfat. Nor I don't think people should listen to someone who has been dieting for three years and still lookin "thick"!

I thought you were blocking me????
 
And another thing, just because you lost a little weight doing what ads and Oprah tells means nothing. Nor do I think it allows you to give any more advice than you saying well it helped me a little!

I was where you are currently at for 5 years, like I mentioned, before I got smart. So when another couple of years roll around and you are still at the weight you are now or have gained your weight back, be sure to post your success!

I have said NOTHING unhealthy. If you consider fat free food unhealthy fine. PETA thinks the fact that I eat meat is unhealthy. Just know your natural peanut butter you much on has an FDA regulated amount of rat urine on it!
 
Because you know everything?
Nope. Never said that.

You know you say that I think ONLY my way is right but UM are you not saying only your way is right by making posts like this?
Not at all. I'm saying that if someone consistently gives what I think is bad advice on one topic and seems to be unwilling to accept any other point of view, then I will tend to discount the rest of what they say.

You seem to have a bit of a problem with logic and jumping to conclusions.

Where the hell did you get your info???
From years of research and reading, plus the personal experiences of myself and many other people who I know and who have lost significant weight and kept it off. And some who haven't kept it off and are working to figure out why. I research multiple sources and then make my own decisions about what's best for me.

Nor I don't think people should listen to someone who has been dieting for three years and still lookin "thick"!
You know when your responses descend into stuff like this, it simply says that you don't have real data to debate with (or the intelligence to debate it properly) and you have to result to slinging personal insult. That's the 4th or 5th time you've told me (and at least one other person) that what they say doesn't matter because I'm "fat" or "thick" or whatever.

And, since you seem to be haunting my every post and have repeatedly ignored my telling you straight out that I chose to quit losing weight for a period of time - I can only assume that you're either too stupid to understand what I've told your straight out at least a half dozen times or that you're intentionally ignoring it in order to try to insult me - and it's just not working. I find it kinda amusing that you can't come up with anything better than "you haven't lost any more weight". :)

BTW, it's possible to get skinny and even ripped in an unhealthy manner. The fact that you can post a photo of someone who is ripped (who we don't even really know is you) doesn't mean that what you've done is healthy. It just means you know how to post an image.

I thought you were blocking me????
I was. But this is too amusing to ignore. And I'm bored today. So I unblocked you. :)

And another thing, just because you lost a little weight doing what ads and Oprah tells means nothing.
There you go again ... making assumptions and then throwing it out there as if it were some kind of rational argument. Where did I ever say that I did what "ads and Oprah" told me. In fact the resources I have used over the years include respected sources like Lyle McDonald, Alwin Cosgrove, Lou Schuler, and other well known experts in the industry. I'm not a big believer in ads and I don't really think Oprah is any kind of weight loss expert.

Just know your natural peanut butter you much on has an FDA regulated amount of rat urine on it!
You know this thing about stalking my posts and my blog and then throwing out these little facts about "what you do" and "your recipes" is kinda creepy. Are you really that obsessed about someone disagreeing with you that you have to haunt their writing and try to find little things to discredit them?

But if you want to play that game let me ask you this: Is there one post you've made on this forum that doesn't criticize someone? From criticizing why/how people post pictures, to whether they choose a particular diet plan ... to whatever. Every post of yours I've read is extremely antagonistic in tone. Perhaps if you backed it off a bit, and just participated and gave advice rather than being so strident and critical, people would be more willing to listen to you with an open mind.

If you could learn to actually discuss and debate without resorting to personal insult and ad hominem arguments (look it up), you'd actually find that most of us are very open to discussion and debate.
 
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Umm regarding stalking your blog....um you sent me the link to your blog to look at your mayo article and you also place a hyperlink on your signature. I take that as an invitation for viewing.


As for stalking your posts..I don't think I have ever responded to a thread you have started. However you keep posting on the posts that I have given advice on.

Since when has asking questions become criticism? I did not understand why people smudge out their faces so I asked. On the diet, if you are talking about the Cohen's post....come ON!!!!!!!!! that plan is what is wrong with everyone overweight today.

I guess this is where people don't want to be held accountable and they scream "talk to me nicely with a bunch of emoticons because when I can't lose weight you will help me feel better about not doing what is expected of me"
 
Just know your natural peanut butter you much on has an FDA regulated amount of rat urine on it!

What does this have to do with a low fat diet? Processed foods and the regulated amount of contaminants are a different topic all together.

All in all, I think the argument presented by guess who is really getting rather silly. Eating fat doesn't make you fat. My diet could be 60% fat, but if I only ate 1500 calories a day, I would lose weight. (not saying thats healthy, only trying to prove a point.) Similarly, I could eat 0 fat, and 5000 calories/day of carbs and protein and I'm going to be gaining fat! wonder how that happens if I'm not eating any fat...

Furthermore, as kara said, the image you posted says nothing to your knowledge of being healthy. In fact, isn't the recommended body fat for a healthy woman supposed to be something like 15-20%? My guess is the girl in the picture is ~5-8%, or possibly even less. I would not say that figure is a healthy goal for any individual. And any so-called professional bashing people's hard work on an internet forum like this isn't going to get any respect from me, regardless of whether or not the message is valid or complete BS.
 
Well actually no! There are so many ways I can answer this. I would have to know what the meals were. First of all I will not be willing to eat either of those meals with those types of numbers. Both of those meals are horrible nutritiously.

So I would eat neither if I was going to get back to real life soon i.e. food that I like. If I needed to eat something and these two things were the only things to eat then I would cut the 500 calorie in half and eat that.

If I am forced to eat one i.e. by gunpoint then I will have whichever one will be more delicious!

Lets say Meal #1 is a leafy green salad with half an avocado, some chicken and a little olive oil & vinegar.

Meal #2 is fettuccine alfredo with sun-dried tomatoes.

If meal #1 is unhealthy and you should only eat it at gunpoint, then my doctor and nutritionist have been lying to me. (And half of the 500 calorie meal is still twice as much saturated fat)
 
I dunno Mar. Maybe you shouldn't be reading my posts ... after all I'm just a fattie who has failed at losing weight. :D

(I know I really shouldn't keep this thread going, but I'm just endlessly amused by this. My apologies for contributing to the general mayhem. :) )
 
What does this have to do with a low fat diet? Processed foods and the regulated amount of contaminants are a different topic all together.

All in all, I think the argument presented by guess who is really getting rather silly. Eating fat doesn't make you fat. My diet could be 60% fat, but if I only ate 1500 calories a day, I would lose weight. (not saying thats healthy, only trying to prove a point.) Similarly, I could eat 0 fat, and 5000 calories/day of carbs and protein and I'm going to be gaining fat! wonder how that happens if I'm not eating any fat...

Furthermore, as kara said, the image you posted says nothing to your knowledge of being healthy. In fact, isn't the recommended body fat for a healthy woman supposed to be something like 15-20%? My guess is the girl in the picture is ~5-8%, or possibly even less. I would not say that figure is a healthy goal for any individual. And any so-called professional bashing people's hard work on an internet forum like this isn't going to get any respect from me, regardless of whether or not the message is valid or complete BS.

If you honestly think that you can eat 1500 calories worth of cookies and brownies (if that is your deficit) and still lose weight then you need to stay on this forum.
 
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