Fae Luminous
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What is a good low fat diet for a 17 year old?
AKA Me.
AKA Me.
Oh sorry Fae! I forgot to give you a suggestion.
I can tell you that unless you live alone or shop for yourself it will be hard. if you live with your parents then take a tour of all the items in your house and make note of all the items that have more than 20% fat calories per serving. i.e. when you are looking at the label there are calories per serving and then calories from fat. Divide the calories from fat by the calories per serving. This will give you the percentage. Don't eat the things that are over that 20%. Eat good natural grains (rice, spelt, oatmeal, millit, etc) and whole wheat pasta. Eat lots of veggies and drink lots of water.
This is where everyone gets their information wrong. I think people just quote what they want to hear and then what they hear elsewhere that sounds like something they would repeat.
1. Fae asked what a good low fat diet was - Jynus said there is no such thing, and that your diet should consist of 20-30% of your calorie intake. Well wouldn't you consider that LOW FAT? I mean 20-30% is the lowest percentage on your macro right???
If you eat 5 meals a day with 5 oz of chicken breast you are consuming roughly 1183 calories. If you are eating clean skinless breast then you have about 233 of those calories from fat. That is 20% fat intake. So you contradicted yourself when you said there is no such thing as a low fat diet.
Also Fae never mentioned restricting fat!
This kinda actually ties back to a post where I was told that I was "anti-fat" actually my daily intake is around 20% like you all say is great. However the proof is in the pudding. My fats are NOT crap fats and never will a single serving be over the 20% fat calories mark. A slow oxidizer can't expect to lose weight while munching on 100% fat items.
I disagree. And I disagree with your insistence that your way is the only way.My advice does not give any weight to healthy and unhealthy fats because if you are trying to LOSE WEIGHT then you need to avoid the foods that are higher than the 20% ratio.
You keep throwing this at me, completely ignoring the fact that I have told you repeatedly that I STOPPED LOSING WEIGHT BY CHOICE. I chose to take some time off and maintain my 80 lb loss. Not only that but I lost those 80 lbs by doing it exactly the way I described - not the way you described.Proof is in the pudding! You are not at your end result after how many years?
I don't rant. I state what I try to accomplish in my own life and how I think it's important. But unlike you, I don't say my way is the only way. I say it's the way I believe is best ... but not exclusive.Also your rant about chemicals and processed foods, UM HAVE YOU seen the stuff that the people on this forum are eating???? I don't think they care much about the processed foods and chemicals.
Wow. You're just insulting and rude, aren't you. Buh-bye. I'm done with arguing with you. I'm blocking you now so I don't have to read your manipulative logic and false arguments.You know your use of the word "healthy" and how you eat healthy I believe is an excuse to hide behind and lie to yourself. I think when you look at yourself in the mirror and are not happy with what you see, you can then say well at least I am eating healthy and that has to count for something.
Wow. Just looking at those pictures alone, I'm going to have to side with Guess Who. Like she/he put it - the proof is in the pudding. And that girl sure gotta lotta pudding!
I will never understand why people won't be open-minded to the advice of others. Have you tried it before? No? Then how do you know it doesn't work?
Your logic is still absolutist. A good nutritionist will work within a patient's/client's comfort zone to the best of her ability. A good nutritionist will also understand that there is more than one effective way.Okay so what do you do think dieticians and nutritionists do?
Do you think when you go see one they ask you how would you like to eat to lose weight and when you say things that are totally contradicting to weight loss they say okay great then we will make this your plan??
When you go to a nutritionist and he/she says your body will lose weight by doing this and that, do you argue with him/her?
No, a good trainer would explore why their client felt pushups were bad for the back - or even why the client was resistant to doing pushups. A good trainer would then work with the client to find alternatives if pushups were really not an option.How about with a personal trainer, when he/she tells you to lose fat then you must do push-ups, are you going to say "I heard it's bad on your back so let's not do those" any good trainer would say "umm next"
Bullshit.if you had insituted a healthy lifestyle eating plan which should last throughout your life then you would have steadily lost weight even during your stressful time according to your theory.
You know you really shouldn't assume - because it makes you look like a fool. I continued to eat healthily, I just ate more - adding in healthy foods to achieve my maintenance calorie level. Your absolutist philosophy doesn't allow for that mindset, however, so I don't expect you to understand that.So how did you decide to quit losing weight? Took away some healthy items and added in non healthy items? The stopping at your choice tells me that you were being quite restrictive and then decided not to be anymore.
And again you twist my words to try to prove your point. I said (and mind you this is the last time I'm going to say this because if you don't hear it now, you are obviously intentionally not paying attention) that I chose to stop losing because I needed the mental break to accept not being fat any more - to learn to live with a different point of view about myself. While that was going on, I was going through a lot of life changes that needed my attention to my emotional health and I felt that if I continued to lose weight, I would become unhealthy about it ... so I stopped. Intentionally.And who says "well my life just sucks right now so I am going to quit losing weight"
Oh and my recipes - yes, they are healthy. You are more than welcome to point out which ones you think aren't healthy. Oh, unless your'e talking about the Tuesday's With Dorie baking recipes which I totally agree aren't healthy foods - but treats and sweets can be a part of a balanced diet.Oh and your recipes - um holy moly some of those can't be considered healthy.
And, finally, here’s a rather humorous example from my college days. At some point or another, during a nutrition class, a professor of mine had made the rather common statement that “As long as you don’t eat foods with more than 30% total fat calories, you will be fine” something to that effect. It seemed like a logical extension of trying to get total fat intake below 30%: make sure no individual food contains more than 30% fat calories and you should be safe. At some later date, I took him a cookie recipe of mine that contained approximately 20 calories/cookie and 1 gram of fat (the cookies were mostly air, with a little sugar and some chocolate chips). My professor bristled, because these cookies contained nearly 50% of calories from fat (9 calories out of a total 20). Well, yeah, but they still only contained 1 gram of fat/cookie. ONE GRAM. A cookie that was 200 calories and 30% fat (70 calories) would contain 8 grams of fat even though it’s below the magical 30% cutoff point. Yet he would have considered the second a better food choice based on just the percentage even though it had 10 times as many calories and 8 grams of fat vs. 1. Go figure.
How about with a personal trainer, when he/she tells you to lose fat then you must do push-ups, are you going to say "I heard it's bad on your back so let's not do those" any good trainer would say "umm next"
Okay can I start completely over????
You turn my words around. I first said that this works for slow oxidizers, which is what most obese people are. I also said that you can have those things and even I did. Like I said once a month or so I would have an all out munch and margarita fest. Hell about three weeks ago I had a total of 12 cupcakes and more drinks that I count along with creamy pasta.
Also my point about the personal trainer was an example. It seems that people ask "how can I lose weight" but then they don't want to hear the answers. No one knows the true meaning of moderation. It does not mean a little one or two days a week. It means "shit! I can't even remember the last time I had a slice of pizza. I think I may get some" Or man I have eaten so clean for a month straight that I deserve a treat meal (not an entire day)
I mean one person's journal on here has her eating peanut butter like three times a day? In her mind I am sure it's moderation and it keeps her sweet tooth under control, but did you eat that much peanut butter before you decided to lose weight?
I think my point was that this seemed to be focusing on the percentage of fat - and that the percentage is a really lousy statistic. I'm not sure what a slow oxidizer is, I just think that it's dangerous to say '20% is good' when it means you'd eat the cookie with 200 calories and 8g of fat instead of the 45 calorie, 1g of fat cookie. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to realize that having the second cookie for your splurge would help more with weight loss.
I'm not sure why exactly a little a few times a week isn't moderation, but a bunch after a month is. Three slices of pizza over a month of time is still three slices of pizza whether you binge it or break it up