LOST--For fans of the show

bikinibound said:
Then what about Matthew Abbadon (the black guy who sent the "rescuers" to the island and visited Hurely at the asylum)? Is he Dharma then?
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I'm pretty sure he's working directly for Dharma or he was contracted out by Dharma. I think the "rescue" team works for Dharma, and they've been sent to the island to reclaim it. Remember the gas mask in Daniel's storage chest? I think they've been sent to detain, interogate, and kill Ben since he helped the "original" others usurp the island from Dharma.

I loved the scene when Ben kills his abusive, alcoholic father.

Weren't you pissed when Ben said he didn't know what the smoke monster was?

I think there was some talk of Hollow Earth Theory, but I don't know if that idea has been debunked by the producers. If I find out that's what's going on, I'm going to quit watching.
 
I thought it was funny that he said he didn't know what the smoke monster was--and even funnier that was the question Locke asked him. I'd be more interested to know what the deal with Jacob is.

I'm sure you won't find out what's really going on until the series finale.

I agree with you about Abbedon. Two more days until the next episode. :biggrinjester:
 
Oh man. I just realized something (with the help of my scholarly boyfriend/husband elect).

Abaddon is the Hebrew word for destruction. It is also a place associated with Sheol, which is the world of the dead in Judaism. While Sheol isn't exactly the the same as the Christian hell, it is still a place for the dead. In Judaism everyone goes to Sheol. Some stay longer than others. Anyway, Abaddon is also a demon or dark angel according to Christian demonology.

Survey says Matty is not a nice fellow.

Here's something funny you might appreciate BB, especially since I know you're a reader. So, I live in shitty-ass Baltimore. The Wire is set here and thus filmed here. On special occasion I used to see some of the cast from The Wire at the natural foods stores and at book stores. So, once I was in Trader Joe's, which is located in a suburb north of the city. There is a Barnes and Noble right next to the TJ's. Anyway, so I got my nuts and dried fruit and then got in line at TJ's. When I looked up I realized Lance Reddick was right in front of me. Now, I wanted to say something because I love The Wire, but I was too shy. Besides, he plays a rather straight-laced, uptight and upright, stoic, solemn police lieutenant on the show. So that's really the only knowledge I had of him. Anyway, he paid and I paid, and then I went next door to peruse some travel books. As I was riding the escalator up to the second floor I turned around and noticed Reddick, who was squatting down on a low stool, knees to his chin, crouched and hunched, completely immersed in a superhero graphic novel. It was really bizarre seeing him, that guy, doing that.
 
lungsfortherace said:
Oh man. I just realized something (with the help of my scholarly boyfriend/husband elect).

Abaddon is the Hebrew word for destruction. It is also a place associated with Sheol, which is the world of the dead in Judaism. While Sheol isn't exactly the the same as the Christian hell, it is still a place for the dead. In Judaism everyone goes to Sheol. Some stay longer than others. Anyway, Abaddon is also a demon or dark angel according to Christian demonology.

Survey says Matty is not a nice fellow.
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Ooooh. I'm liking this! Thanks for the info! I didn't think he was a nice fellow from the get go, but this pretty much verifies it. He just had a creepy way about him that gave me the heebie jeebies..lol. Combine this with the C.S. Lewis stuff, and I think there is going to be some sort of battle between good and evil. Remember Ben saying awhile back that they (the others) were the good ones? Maybe compared to Abbadon, they are. Another similarity I'm finding between Lost and The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is Jack and Hurley saying they have to go back. In that series of books by C.S. Lewis, the 4 children did go back to Naria in order to take care of trouble. I suspect the Oceanic 6 will go back to the island to help defeat the baddies. Charlie told Hurley that they needed him.

Here's something funny you might appreciate BB, especially since I know you're a reader. So, I live in shitty-ass Baltimore. The Wire is set here and thus filmed here. On special occasion I used to see some of the cast from The Wire at the natural foods stores and at book stores. So, once I was in Trader Joe's, which is located in a suburb north of the city. There is a Barnes and Noble right next to the TJ's. Anyway, so I got my nuts and dried fruit and then got in line at TJ's. When I looked up I realized Lance Reddick was right in front of me. Now, I wanted to say something because I love The Wire, but I was too shy. Besides, he plays a rather straight-laced, uptight and upright, stoic, solemn police lieutenant on the show. So that's really the only knowledge I had of him. Anyway, he paid and I paid, and then I went next door to peruse some travel books. As I was riding the escalator up to the second floor I turned around and noticed Reddick, who was squatting down on a low stool, knees to his chin, crouched and hunched, completely immersed in a superhero graphic novel. It was really bizarre seeing him, that guy, doing that.
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I have never watched The Wire, but that is interesting that Reddick would be doing that. I'd expect him to be engrossed in a book on true crime, or something. :D
 
I thought last night's episode was really good. I'd heard rumors that Aaron was one of the Oceanic 6 (although I'm not sure if he counts as he was in utero at the time of the crash), and that Claire didn't make it off the island, so the whole time they were saying that Kate had a son last night, I couldn't help but wonder if it was Aaron. Also, I'd heard that Kate was taking care of him, and that's who she referred to when she told jack at the end of last season's finale that "he would be wondering where she was." It doesn't look like Sawyer and Kate are together post-island.

I found it interesting that they are all lying and saying that only 8 of them survived the crash and 6 survived to be rescued. So why all the secrecy? Why do they all feel they must perpetuate that lie?

And why is Jack unable to deal with Aaron? At first I thought it was b/c it was Sawyer's baby, but that is obviously not the case. Aaron is Jack's nephew, as he and Claire are half bro/sis, so one would think he'd want to be involved in his nephew's life. Does Jack know at this point that Aaron's his nephew, and if not, why would he be unwilling to acknowledge him in that case as well?? I don't get that. He must be feeling guilty about something--perhaps he is the reason Claire didn't make it off the island. And is Claire dead, or still on the island? Didn't Desmond have a vision of her getting on a helicopter but then being pushed off or something?

Still we are not sure why Miles and his crew want Ben. Presumably they're Dharma and want revenge for the purge. But how did Ben get off the island, and how did he amass the millions that Miles is sure he has?

And lastly, how on earth did Kate resist facking Sawyer's brains out?? Damn, that man is HOT. :svengo:
 
Oh man. I thought for sure Kate's baby (Aaron) would be all freaky looking, like some sort of little monster, like a baby Elephant Man or something. Especially when she was walking up the stairs and entering his room.

Oh man, I love Ben. I love his character. And Locke is falling apart.

So far the Oceanic Six are Kate, Jack, Hurley, and Aaron. That's all we know of so far, right?

I too wonder why they're lying to everyone. I also wonder if Sayid is one of the six. I mean, obviously he makes it off the island, but I wonder how he can go around killing people for Ben in stealth mode if he's one of the six.

Miles creeps me out, but I like him.

Also, what's happening to Daniel's memory?

I can't wait for Walt and Michael to come back to the show.

Last night's episode was really good 'cause it kept me on my toes.

BB: Maybe Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because Jack somehow let Claire die and seeing the baby only reminds him of that, which overwhelms him with guilt? I dunno. I'm just guessing. You know how Jack likes to feel in control and he's got a savior/hero complex.

Tamara
 
lungsfortherace said:
Oh man, I love Ben. I love his character. And Locke is falling apart.
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Yeah, Ben is one cool, manipulative SOB, eh? And Locke seems to be having doubts about a lot of things.

So far the Oceanic Six are Kate, Jack, Hurley, and Aaron. That's all we know of so far, right?

I too wonder why they're lying to everyone. I also wonder if Sayid is one of the six. I mean, obviously he makes it off the island, but I wonder how he can go around killing people for Ben in stealth mode if he's one of the six.
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I would say Sayid is definitely one of the six b/c he told that guy on the golf course he was right before he killed him. And in previews before that epi aired, they said another one of the Oceanic 6 would be revealed that night, so...
Miles creeps me out, but I like him.
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Yeah, I do, too. :) I loved how he tried to make a deal with Ben, and was so tough about it. He is definitely a sly one to watch out for.

BB: Maybe Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because Jack somehow let Claire die and seeing the baby only reminds him of that, which overwhelms him with guilt? I dunno. I'm just guessing. You know how Jack likes to feel in control and he's got a savior/hero complex.
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Yes, I think that must be it--he must have been unable to save Claire or get her on the helicopter.

Next week's epi should be good with Sayid, Desmond and the helicopter drama. I think there must be a space/time factor in this, and as the lady on the boat said they hadn't arrived when Charlotte called them, it kinda makes sense. Time appears to go by more slowly on the island than in the rest of the world.
 
I'd heard rumors that Aaron was one of the Oceanic 6 (although I'm not sure if he counts as he was in utero at the time of the crash), and that Claire didn't make it off the island, so the whole time they were saying that Kate had a son last night, I couldn't help but wonder if it was Aaron.
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I think that Kate's son is Claire's Aaron too. That would explain why Jack didn't want to go see him. Plus, that baby gots Blond hair and Kate's is dark brown. Yeah, Kate's mom has blond hair too, but neither of them have blue eyes and I'm sure the baby's eye's were blue like Claire's (not to sure.. if they show the baby again I gotta check his eye color).

But I personally think that Kate's baby is Claire's. Only because Claire had Aaron in 2004 and they are in 2008 right now in the flash fowards and Kate's Aaron looks around 4 years of age.

Who know's with LOST anything is possible.



At first I thought it was b/c it was Sawyer's baby, but that is obviously not the case. Aaron is Jack's nephew, as he and Claire are half bro/sis, so one would think he'd want to be involved in his nephew's life. Does Jack know at this point that Aaron's his nephew, and if not, why would he be unwilling to acknowledge him in that case as well??
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Oh crap... I totally forgot that Claire was Jack's half sister. Hmmm... now I'm sure that Aaron is Claire's baby.

It's all starting to make sense!! Haha... until next's weeks episode when they add some more weird stuff into the mix and I'm totally LOST again! (Hmm... wonder if thats how they came up with LOST as the title. The characters get LOST and then we viewers get LOST when they add more back flashes / flash fowards. Haha)
 
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I don't think there's any doubt that Kate's Aaron is Claire's Aaron. Why would Kate have a baby and name him Aaron? Doesn't make sense. Also, she told Sawyer she wasn't preggers. The whole point of them not saying his name until the end of last week's epi was to make you think it was Sawyer's baby, explaining why Jack didn't want to see him. And then throw you for a loop at the end. Typical Lost. :)
 
angelicrock said:
Bens contact on the boat is Michael. That's my guess.
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I think I am pretty caught up on the whole thing, but I did miss the first season so um... who is Michael?

Also I had gotten confused about Sayhid and Ben... when they showed that whole thing with the blonde girl who tried to kill him, I thought that happened in the past but it was the future... so Ben and Sayhid plus Aaron make the six. Perhaps with 8 they are referring to would be Claire and Desmond?

And lastly, how on earth did Kate resist facking Sawyer's brains out?? Damn, that man is HOT.
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Um, if that girl doesn't want it then she better MOVE OVER because that man could use me any way he wants to... seriously Kate!
 
ok so the contact on the boat is michael and the guys siad and desmond have pretended to not know him but how come the ship guys dont know that he is michael and whats gonna happen next I am still blown away with the whole arron thing and then there is the fact that the scientist guy on the island from the ship has written in his book that desmond is his constant how come desmond has not shared this with siad ? (but then again he must at some point because the oceanic 6 all seem to be in their right mind ?
 
Not to gloat (I say that as if now you won't see this as gloating), but I called it. Michael is the contact. It's not the first thing I have gotten right and it won't be the last.

Now the question is, why did Michael come back? The preview for this week suggests that it has to do with Walt.
 
angelicrock said:
Not to gloat (I say that as if now you won't see this as gloating), but I called it. Michael is the contact. It's not the first thing I have gotten right and it won't be the last.

Now the question is, why did Michael come back? The preview for this week suggests that it has to do with Walt.
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Yeah, I predicted that, too. I'm sure Ben told Michael the only way he'd get Walt back and off the island was to do this favor for him.

Last week's was interesting with Jin and Sun. I thought something fishy was up with Jin's flashforward when he was talking on an old cell phone, the guy in the store said it was the year of the dragon (which would mean it was either 2000 or 2012), and when your wife is in labor, you don't mess around with a damn panda bear, you get your ass to the hospital..lmao. So the Oceanic 6 are Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and possibly Aaron. It looks like Jin isn't really dead--just still on the island. His gravestone had his death as the date the plane crashed. I wonder why they all have to pretend they were the only survivors.
 
Not to diminish your predictions at all, but given the fact Harrold Perrineau's name was in the credits at the beginning of most (if not all) of the episodes leading upto his appearance, it was a pretty safe bet he was Ben's spy :)

This last episode was fantastic. It was great finding out what Michael's been upto, and the cliffhanger was spectacular. I didn't want it to end. :D
 
Last week's was interesting with Jin and Sun. I thought something fishy was up with Jin's flashforward when he was talking on an old cell phone, the guy in the store said it was the year of the dragon (which would mean it was either 2000 or 2012), and when your wife is in labor, you don't mess around with a damn panda bear, you get your ass to the hospital..lmao. So the Oceanic 6 are Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and possibly Aaron. It looks like Jin isn't really dead--just still on the island. His gravestone had his death as the date the plane crashed. I wonder why they all have to pretend they were the only survivors.
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I knew something was off with Jin because of the older cell phone and because of his goofy hair.

I also don't know if Sayid is one of the Oceanic 6. Something tells me he isn't, especially because he's living off island under the radar.

Yeah, and there's also something fishy going on with Penny's dad and Ben. Basically, someone is claiming Ben financed and faked the plane crash and Ben is claiming that Widmore financed and faked it. Neither Widmore nor Ben wants the island found.

Also, for some reason I Just assumed that everyone left on the island dies. Now I just think they're living their lives on the island. If that's the case, I wonder why certain people decided to stay.

Oh yeah. I'm really glad Sun makes it off the island and has her baby but I'm all bummed Jin doesn't get to be part of their lives.

What the shit is up with Jacob?

Tamara
 
Jacob is something/someone I get less certain of the more he "appears". Somehow, though, he and Christian Shepherd are connected (when Hurley looked in the cabin he saw Christian Shepherd in the rocking chair before Jacob's eye popped up).

And Christian is just as crazy. Not sure if you've seen the mobisodes or not, but in the very last one, it shows Vincent, and he goes up to Christian and gets petted, while Christian tells Vincent to go wake up his son, Jack, as he has work to do. That happened right before Jack woke up.

I'm pretty sure Sayid is one of the Oceanic 6. Darlton pretty much gave the O6 away in their last podcast.

Based on Jack and Hurley needing to get back to the Island once they're off, I don't think it's a matter of people deciding to stay back, rather they were forced to in some way. Like how Michael had to bring only Jack, Hurley, Sawyer and Kate. Still, they might have decided to stay to fight the Widmore crew.
 
yes, the whole thing with Christian and Jacob is interesting. I have no idea what's going on there.

Sayid is definitely one of the O-6--he told the guy on the golf course right before he killed him.

It is interesting that Widmore and Ben are both blaming each other for faking the crash. Since both of them have good reason to not want anyone to find the island, and both seem to have the resources, I wouldn't put it past either one of them.

Ben is a little bastard (nothing new). I'm sure he set up Carl and Danielle for that ambush to keep them away from Alex. It pissed me off, b/c just as mother and daughter were reunited after all that time, he goes and kills her. Although, I'm not so sure Danielle's dead.
 
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