As Eddie Izzard said 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people, but I think the gun helps'
You can't justify guns by saying that there are other ways to kill people too so there's no problem with increasing peoples choice in ways to do it
Is the media responsible?
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As Eddie Izzard said 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people, but I think the gun helps'
You can't justify guns by saying that there are other ways to kill people too so there's no problem with increasing peoples choice in ways to do it
Actually it does. My own doctor can't obtain information on me without my written permission-now I know that's not the same as buying a gun but...
There is a difference between being treated and being isntitutionalized and I don't know the law enough to say for sure if you could find out if someone has been institutionalized before legally buying a gun. Different states have different steps. I don't know all the details about the extent of his counseling.
Gun control is not an issue here. If you really wanted a gun, you can find ways to get it, and not only will you be armed, you'll be off the map. I don't agree that you should have a psychological evaluation before purchasing a firearm. Why? Because it's just another hoop that the buyer will most likely find a way around, which the rest of us will have to jump through, be it if we buy or own gun or if we want to track the guy who has a gun in the first place. In addition, we won't know the quality of each evaluation...This could be like buying medical mj where you say you have headaches and get a free ticket to all the weed you want.
To go back to the original question...I am interested in finding out the profile of this guy. Aren't you? Be honest.
The media is, as many other things, an outlet or facet that sick and depraved people will use from time to time for whatever reason. That doesn't make the media particularly responsible -- an outlet for ****, sure. But these people would find something else if the media wasn't there. It's a matter of personal responibility -- yours, mine, and theirs.
To go back to the original question...I am interested in finding out the profile of this guy. Aren't you? Be honest.
The media is, as many other things, an outlet or facet that sick and depraved people will use from time to time for whatever reason. That doesn't make the media particularly responsible -- an outlet for ****, sure. But these people would find something else if the media wasn't there. It's a matter of personal responibility -- yours, mine, and theirs.
the American Medical Association states 50% of male eleventh graders believe that they could easily get a gun if they wanted one.
I know this is true. Cross the border(to Mexico) you can get an AK47(fully automatic assault rifle) for under 400bucks. Or wait for an illegal immigrants to sell you one here in the States for 500bucks. Pythons (big ass revolver) are 250 down in Mexico, Not sure what the black market price in the states for them though.
Take away the Legal way to get a gun and you have armed bad guys with defenseless homeowners. Watch crime rates sore when the bad guys know they always have an upper hand.
I know this is true. Cross the border(to Mexico) you can get an AK47(fully automatic assault rifle) for under 400bucks. Or wait for an illegal immigrants to sell you one here in the States for 500bucks. Pythons (big ass revolver) are 250 down in Mexico, Not sure what the black market price in the states for them though.
Take away the Legal way to get a gun and you have armed bad guys with defenseless homeowners. Watch crime rates sore when the bad guys know they always have an upper hand.
If you try and reciprocate Europe's gun laws in America, where tons of people have guns in the first place, you're going to get in a lot of ****. A lot.
Especially when you force everyone to give up their firearms...who do you think will abide by the law, and who do you think will hide their guns away?
Especially when you force everyone to give up their firearms...who do you think will abide by the law, and who do you think will hide their guns away?
I couldn't imagine what would happen if you told all those gun owners to give up their arms
There would probably be a civil war. I also want to point out that if you start messing around with the second amendment then say goodbye to the rest of the bill of rights. What would stop the government from taking away our freedom of speech, right to due process, etc.?
~Nicole
I think I remember hearing that the issue was that he was not deemed to be a threat to others, just to himself. Had he been determined to be a threat to others, then he would not have been cleared to buy a gun.
Which is a crazy distinction. But anyway...
In this guy's situation, he had no close friends and he was clearly in trouble. The mental health authorities or campus counselors perhaps realized this--that he was alone and in trouble--so who was going to follow up with making sure that this guy got the help he needed? He clearly wasn't going to heal himself or do what was necessary to get help, so this was nearly inevitable. It's surprising actually that it doesn't happen more often (although isn't there an alarmingly high rate of suicide on college campuses?).
Years ago, someone would have made a call to that kid's parents/family and those people perhaps would have found a way to intervene. Now, though, no one is allowed to call anyone without written permission. If the family is out of the loop, they're likely oblivious to the problem and the person is left to pull himself out of the situation. It seems designed for failure.
This is exactly why there is so much meritless hate for immigrants...are you seriously saying that only illegal immigrants can sell you guns? You're just generalizing now.
Let's not forget that unless you live on an Indian Reservation, we ALL came from immigrants be it legal or non legal. In fact before immigration laws all immigrants entered here without papers and then claimed someone else's land as theirs...but that's is a totally separate issue...
Sadly, the same laws that are meant to protect us also will hurt us...
Liviu Librescru should be getting more attention than the social retard that did it. On a similar note, I have noticed, and been told, that every single day, there is something on 911. Without fail. Yes, it was a tragedy. It was an extreme act of cowardliness, and the people should be remember. But what are these big news co-orps doing? They are just blowing up the terrorists, putting the country into complete fear, and trying to justify what they did, as well as getting half the population to blame Muslims. It's pathetic. Why not just remember the people who died. What more can these people find in 911, that hasn't already been said.
Are there "Legal" "Americans" who sell drugs,weapons and so on? yes, i just do not know of any. However i know of many and can name many illegals who do.
And the fact that near 100% of all black market weapons sold in the US come from Mexico also supports my claim.
Would you like me to be politically correct? Or straight forward and Blunt?
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I know and it is sad in some ways, especially when stuff like this happens.
BTW, it's interesting that my son's college contacts me with tuition notices, yet they can't give me a copy of his transcript until I show up with loads of signed forms.
(He needed this information and was unable to do it for himself when he was away last summer--we thought it would be easy for me to get the info. Turns out: not so easy. )Yes, yes.
After NBC released the contents of the mailed package, I was sickened to see the images of that killer (menacing expressions, holding guns or a hammer) on so many of the news stations and Web pages. At my gym yesterday morning, each of the five TVs aired the killer's videos. It was nearly non-stop killer-video. I didn't hear the audio. I hated to see his expression, his hatred, his poses.
Anyway, I wonder if they've received complaints about that because I noticed by about mid-day yesterday, at least on news Web pages, there was a shift away from showing the killer over to showing photos of the victims with accompanying text tributes.
Yes, about Professor Librescru and also about the VT student who barricaded the room with a table to keep the shooter out. I saw that boy tell his story and I could tell how upset he was although he was holding it together. Only in the very last bit did he lose some of his composure and cry.
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Ok, by your own admission there are 'legal Americans' who sell weapons/drugs. So a straight and forward answer (blunt or not) would be that guns can be procured from 'anyone who sells them'. A generalized answer would be to say 'you can obtain one from an illegal alien'.
And becuase you say that you can name many who are illegal (because you don't know of any who aren't) your comment is also biased.
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Thats right, I have never seen anyone but an illegal handing a gun over in exchange for cash. I have never seen a "legal" person stand behind a school and sell drugs.
Guns are convenient in America. Think of it like having a McDonalds in your bedroom. A lot of people get angry enough to hurt somebody at some point in their life, but would never risk their own life to act on that anger. Guns provide distance and speed. They can shoot and run and have a greater chance of getting away with it than they would have had they used a knife. The gun also gives the weaker man/woman the edge. While a knife certainly is nothing to laugh at, a stronger man/woman has a chance of over-powering his attacker.
Back to the media
I am not saying that this killer wasnt absolutely out of his mind. However, there are lots of crazy people that just kill themselves and not others. Not everyone wants that does this wants the publicity, but this killer did. He sent his manifesto to the media for one reason and one reason only. Same thing with the columbine kids. They stated on video that they wanted Steven Speilberg to direct their movie. These silent and insignificant people see an oppourtunity to leave a mark on society and they go for it.
So once again, I know that in most cases the answer is that the killer was just ****ed up in the head. I'm not saying we shouldnt examine why and arm our citizens with the information they need to protect themselves in the future... but showing the pictures and videos that this killer wanted the media to show is just going to show other ****ed up/insignificant people how they can leave their mark on society. It's a promotion to go BIGGER.