health with children nowadays...

calitoker90 said:
Lol wow you shouldent your depriving your children of the most important thing they learn in school how to interact with other people.
Yeah. We should all send our kids to public schools where violence on campus is rising, school shootings, kids bullying other kids. What social interaction we're depriving our kids of by keeping them at home safe. :rolleyes:
 
yea you should be overprotective so when there 17 they still need you to wipe there ass.
 
I remember in H.s. standing in line for my morning doughnut and pop!!

hey, has anyone watched that new show w/ Shaq?? I love it!
 
Boam46 said:
This is very true.

Feuer maybe you can explain something to me because it is my largest sticking point on homeschooling. Now I know a lot of teachers in the public schools are horrible but they are usually trained in a specific subject or two and then teach the children.... how can one adult be so knowledgable in all the subjects to teach everything to a child.

Most elementary school teachers are not trained in one subject, nor do they teach one subject. They teach all subjects. It isn't until around middle school that students begin dividing up for classes. The earliest that I have seen teachers divide for classes was 5th grade, and it was only divided between two teachers (which means they still taught more than 2 subjects each).

For the reasons you mention, I have known many parents who choose not to home school in high school . They do not feel confident enough to teach their children a wide spectrum of subjects. Near where I live, the homeschooling association offers co-op classes from elementary- high school, for parents who wish to enroll their children in a class but still primarily homeschool. Parents I have known who do homeschool through high school, are generally quite intelligent and also have motivated children. (In fact, most homeschoolers I have known are quite motivated children.)

Many teachers in public schools don't actually teach these days. I've worked in public high schools and seen how it is.

I plan to homeschool my children through high school. There is not one subject that I do not feel confident that I could teach. Of course, I have extensive education in a wide variety of areas. I am still in school! :rotflmao:

It isn't how much you know that makes you wise or intelligent. It is realizing that you know nothing. Socrates said it well, "True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing." When you realize that you know nothing, then the world is your oyster and everything in it is a pearl. I learn from my children as much as they learn from me. There is so much knowledge in the pure eyes of the child. My belief is that education is a life long endevour. It is not somethign that ends at 12th grade (or beyond). If there is one thing I would most hope to instill in my children, it is the love for learning. Knowledge for knowledge's sake.

Boam46 said:
I also don't understand how one fully learns without interacting with other students. In education there's informal (interaction with students and teachers) and formal (books, movies, articles, ect.). I am just curious.

Social interations occur many places non-school related. If children are involved in activities then they are interacting with same aged peers and learning from them. Sports allow for interaction with peers. Play groups also. In the home they interact with parents and siblings. IMO learning to interact socially begins in the home. It is in the home that you learn conflict resolution, compromise, compassion, empathy, sharing, manners, etc. Home schooled children interact with others when you go places as well. When we go shopping and my daughter buys things with her earned money, she learns to communicate with the cashier and count out the corrent amount of the cost. She also learns to calculate the cost of an item plus the sales tax so that she knows if she has enough money to buy what she wants. I cannot count the number of times I have been someplace and even the cashier can't count back correct change or is rude and would rather talk to the cashier behind her. :doh: When we go to the library, she knows how to speak politely to the librarian, ask for help, use the card catalogue (and computer catalogue), and check out books.

I personally don't see where homeschooled children lack the learning that comes through social interactions. If they do, then their parent doesn't have them involved as they should. I don't see where sitting in a class with 20+ other children of the same age teaches proper socialization. When in life are any of us ever in a class for 6 hours a day with 20+ same aged peers? Children need to learn to interact socially with a wide variety of ages and people.

Boam46 said:
In sixth grade for about 7 months I wasn't allowed in school (no I didn't get suspended) and had a tutor ... who was a teacher...come see me everyday and that was my schooling. I just did not get the same thing out of it.

I'm sorry that you had a bad experience. I have heard of several people who have had bad experiences with tutors. Maybe it is the type of education that goes on with a tutor that is the problem? I have no personal experiences with tutors to know.


Reports have found that generally, homeschoolers scored higher on many achievement tests and have better social skills than average. Here are some links on homeschooling. I hope I answered your questions! :)
 
Thank you Feuer. I don't want you to think i was attackign the idea of homeschooling because I believe there are many pros and cons. Each family must figure out what works for them.:)

I for one was taught about the constant need to learn. I am graduating college next month and I am sad that I have year before law school... but will continue to read and learn on my own. My grandmother is convinced I will be in school my entire life with all the plans I have. I agree you must know that you know nothing when it comes to the big picture. Its impossible to know:)

The social learning I was speaking of was the interaction on a subject ... debating a topic with individuals with different life experiences and perspectives. I understand you can read others perspectives but its different when your having a debate with a few others at once. I am not saying your children havn't experienced this or don't know how to... this is just something I have found to be very valuable to my education.

Thank you for your detailed explanations I am going to look at the sites you have linked to. I was asking because I have not had the chance to ask a homeschooler their perspective first hand. I've only read accounts:)
 
calitoker90 said:
yea you should be overprotective so when there 17 they still need you to wipe there ass.
It's not that at all. There's a difference between being overprotective and sending your children to a school where 80 percent of its population doesn't speak English and things are dummed down a lot.

By the way, my fifth grader knows the difference between there, their and they're. One more point for homeschooling. ;)

At any rate, I don't know why we're arguing about this, because we both know that there are pros and cons, but the pros probably outweigh the cons. One of the things I like about it is my daughter didn't know what sex was when she was 8 years old. Another thing I like is our kids don't come home with bad language and being brats.

One of the pros could be that I'm going to have to be the one to explain to my son what sex is because the public school system won't get the chance to tell him what it is when he's 8 years old.

American society in general is going downhill and it has been for the past 30 or so years. People demanding that prayer be taken out of school because it might "offend" someone. There have been cases I've read where kids had their bibles taken away by their teacher so it didn't offend anyone. It's gotten to the point now where you can't say "Merry Christmas" anymore because God forbid you offend someone.

Well guess what? America is a Christian nation and it has been since the founding of this great land. The more and more Christian views are taken out of American society the more and more it goes downhill. This nation is not the same nation our forefathers fought so hard to keep free and gave their lives for.

Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. If you'd like, we can pick up in PMs. I'm not going to turn this thread into a ProudTexan vs calitoker thread.

Have a good night. :)
 
Well most homeschoolers I know met through rec sports arent good leaders and when you try to talk to them they are to shy hence lack social skills. For heavens sake 1-1million chance the school your kid goes to gets shot up 1-3k he gets hit.

Your scared he is gonna get shot your the guy whos gonna have his fat kid in the basement playing video games when he/she is 30 because you wont let him out of your grips.
 
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Boam46 said:
Thank you Feuer. I don't want you to think i was attackign the idea of homeschooling because I believe there are many pros and cons. Each family must figure out what works for them.:)

I didn't take it as an attack. :) I agree that each family needs to find what works for them. While I am a strong supporter of homeschooling, I do recognize that it doesn't work for everyone. I tend to present the best aspects of homeschooling because there is so much negative out there about it. People rarely see the positive. Most homeschoolers I have known are extremely bright and socially well adjusted. Other people I hear from seem to only meet children who have social problems and/ or academic problems. I have met very, very few of that nature. Studies that I have read tend to support the homeschoolers that I have observed and known. Certainly there are those out there who are poorly adjusted socially and have poor academic development as well. Essentially it lies on the parents, not the fact that they were homeschooled. Who is to say that child would be any different in a public education? There is no way to know since we cannot take that child back in time, place them in public education, and compare the results.


Boam46 said:
The social learning I was speaking of was the interaction on a subject ... debating a topic with individuals with different life experiences and perspectives. I understand you can read others perspectives but its different when your having a debate with a few others at once. I am not saying your children havn't experienced this or don't know how to... this is just something I have found to be very valuable to my education.

I never had a lot of this in my education. Not even when I was in debate class. :rotflmao: I was raised in a variety of cultures and taught to look at things from the perspective of others. I am raising my children the same. I think it is important to present all sides of a topic and explain why others view things the way that they do and why "we" view things the way that we do. Ultimately the decision lies in the hand of the growing child as s/he learns about the world and how to analyze things from different angles. They are provided with all the tools to grow into young adults who think for themselves and never accept things at face value.

Boam46 said:
Thank you for your detailed explanations I am going to look at the sites you have linked to. I was asking because I have not had the chance to ask a homeschooler their perspective first hand. I've only read accounts:)

Most homeschoolers I know would tell you that they like homeschooling. I have been places where there were mixed groups of kids (mixed = homeschoolers and non) and heard homeschooled kids tell the other kids why they like homeschooling and are happy they do not attend public school.


I originally posted about homeschooling in this thread not to hijack it, but to say that threads like this are why I am happy I do homeschool! :) When I read horror stories about public schools and things like in this thread about them not requiring PE, and providing poor food choices, it makes me happy that I do not have to deal with these things with my own children. Being at home allows me to keep their foods healthy, teach them proper nutrition, and keep them in shape with exercise. (Plus more!) I have heard mothers remark that their child never had soda or candy till they sent them to school and lost all control over their children's eating habits outside the home. I am able to teach the children good nutrition habits and everything in moderation.
 
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