Few Questions about my Plan.. Am I eating Enough?
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MysticRealm
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Wow, Sephora you need to calm down and stop being so (in your words) combative! I did not see a single thing on this thread that was rude or nasty to you in anyway. In fact if I was Jericho I probably would have stopped being polite to you and bit your head off (but lucky for you Jericho is nicer than I am and has not stooped to your level).
Please be polite or don't post.
Please be polite or don't post.
Sephora 0128
Banned
If I was any calmer I'd be asleep. Don't tell people to calm down, it's offensive and it assumes you know them. You don't know me and you don't know my posting style or if I'm hyper, calm, mad, or sad. And do you think telling me to do anything including "calm down" helps or hurts the situation? I'll answer that for you ~ it does NOT help, it makes it worse. Are you happy you made it worse? I sure hope so since that was obviously your intent. If you are nice, if Jericho is nice, by this sites standards, I'm glad I haven't met the truly nasty people. And expand your myopic views and look at more than one thread. And in case you haven't read ~ at the top of this forum it states "things may get nasty" which means....yeah, people will get nasty.
Unless you're a mod, don't tell me what to do. It won't work.
Jericho
New member
I keep being dragged in I guess.
Thank you for your defense Mystic, but I rather take the brunt of the venom than let someone else take it for me. It's ok. I thank you but it's ok.
Sephora, could you cite specific medical reports or studies that support your claim? If it is not a myth, please state your source.
Thank you for your defense Mystic, but I rather take the brunt of the venom than let someone else take it for me. It's ok. I thank you but it's ok.
Sephora, could you cite specific medical reports or studies that support your claim? If it is not a myth, please state your source.
Jericho
New member
This was written on another board by a poster named pinkfrued-ga. I am copying it because it states my side well.
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My mother always told me that eating after sundown would result in
obesity because the body doesn't have the opportunity to "burn up" the
calories, and they turn directly into fat. I never really investigated
the matter until now, but it seems that this advice was not based upon
fat ...er, not based upon fact. I've gathered some info on this
weighty subject for you.
"When total calories are kept constant, does eating at night (whether
just before bed or in the middle of the night) lead to weight gain?...
A 1997 review article summarizing the results of past research
concluded that meal frequency - whether during the day or at night -
had no clear effect on body weight. That is, people who chose to eat
frequently, regardless of the time of day, had no higher rate of
obesity than those who ate fewer large meals.
In a study of more than 2,000 middle-aged men and women, 9% of women
and 7.4% of men described 'getting up at night to eat.' Overall, there
was no difference in weight gain between those who did and those who
did not. A study in 2004 of more than 800 men and women noted that the
more people ate in the morning, the less they tended to eat during the
course of a day, while people who ate more at night tended to eat more
overall. A trial from January 2005 found that eating late at night was
not associated with weight gain even among people with 'night eating
syndrome'...
It is possible that, for some people, eating at night is associated
with weight gain. Perhaps they find it easier to be careful about
portion size and food choices during the day but simply 'lose it' at
day's end. For some, the structure of three meals a day may make it
easier to avoid excessive calorie intake. But it's probably a myth
that eating before bed has a unique ability to promote weight gain
compared with eating at other times of the day. Although scientific
studies someday may prove that calories ingested before bed are
handled differently than calories ingested at other times, evidence
for this commonly held belief is lacking. For now, it's safe to assume
that one's weight reflects the balance between calories burned and
calories consumed over time, regardless of when you choose to eat."
InteliHealth: Does Nighttime Noshing Make You Fat?
"Myth: Eating after 8 p.m. causes weight gain.
Fact: It does not matter what time of day you eat. It is what and how
much you eat and how much physical activity you do during the whole
day that determines whether you gain, lose, or maintain your weight.
No matter when you eat, your body will store extra calories as fat."
NIDDK (National Institutes of Health): Weight-loss and Nutrition Myths
"Breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, dinner like a pauper' -
is there any truth to this?
[Dietitian Dr Trent Watson] sets the record straight: "It's the total
energy you eat throughout the day that's important. You can eat all
your daily kilojoules after 6pm, and you won't gain any more weight
than if you ate it earlier in the day. Weight gain occurs when you
consume more energy than you expend."
The Daily Telegraph: Top 10 food myths busted
"Subjects who eat late in the evening may increase the amount of
glucose stored in muscle as glycogen. In humans, muscle glycogen
fluctuates in accordance with periods of muscle activity and
subsequent carbohydrate consumption. Data suggest that the consumption
of carbohydrate-rich foods in the late evening leads to increased
glycogen levels in the muscles. Unless this stored glycogen is burned
as fuel, it will ultimately be stored as fat. Therefore, consumption
of late-evening meals with carbohydrate-rich foods may also be related
to obesity through its effect on hormonal regulation of energy and
lipid metabolism. However, we found that the interval of time between
the last episode of eating and the time to bed was not associated with
the risk of obesity. Further investigation is warranted to examine the
association of this interval, as well as the nutrient composition
(i.e., percentage of calories from carbohydrate) of the last eating
episode, with obesity."
American Journal of Epidemiology: Association between Eating Patterns
and Obesity in a Free-living US Adult Population
"The purpose of this study was to determine whether meal ingestion
pattern [large morning meals (AM) vs. large evening meals (PM)]
affects changes in body weight, body composition or energy utilization
during weight loss. Ten women completed a metabolic ward study of 3-wk
weight stabilization followed by 12 wk of weight loss with a
moderately energy restricted diet [mean energy intake ± SD = 107 ± 6
kJ/(kg·d)] and regular exercise. The weight loss phase was divided
into two 6-wk periods. During period 1, 70% of daily energy intake was
taken as two meals in the AM (n = 4) or in the PM (n = 6). Subjects
crossed over to the alternate meal time in period 2. Both weight loss
and fat-free mass loss were greater with the AM than the PM meal
pattern: 3.90 ± 0.19 vs. 3.27 ± 0.26 kg/6 wk, P < 0.05, and 1.28 ±
0.14 vs. 0.25 ± 0.16 kg/6 wk, P < 0.001, respectively. Change in fat
mass and loss of body energy were affected by order of meal pattern
ingestion. The PM pattern resulted in greater loss of fat mass in
period 1 (P < 0.01) but not in period 2. Likewise, resting
mid-afternoon fat oxidation rate was higher with the PM pattern in
period 1 (P < 0.05) but not in period 2, corresponding with the fat
mass changes. To conclude, ingestion of larger AM meals resulted in
slightly greater weight loss, but ingestion of larger PM meals
resulted in better maintenance of fat-free mass. Thus, incorporation
of larger PM meals in a weight loss regimen may be important in
minimizing the loss of fat-free mass."
The Journal of Nutrition: Weight Loss is Greater with Consumption of
Large Morning Meals and Fat-Free Mass Is Preserved with Large Evening
Meals in Women on a Controlled Weight Reduction Regimen
So it appears that for most of us there's nothing wrong with eating at
night, as long as the entire day's calorie count is appropriate.
However, there may be health risks associated with nighttime eating
for people who have GERD (gastroesophageal reflux disease) and/or
asthma.
"Compared to nonasthmatics, asthmatics have significantly more
frequent and more severe day and night GER symptoms and significantly
more of the pulmonary symptoms (nocturnal suffocation, cough, or
wheezing) so often attributed to GER. The habit of eating before
bedtime appears in asthmatics to have serious and life-threatening
consequences."
American Journal of Gastroenterology: Asthmatics have more nocturnal
gasping and reflux symptoms than nonasthmatics, and they are related
to bedtime eating.
Thanks for an interesting question! Please let me know if anything is
in need of clarification; I'll gladly offer further assistance before
you rate my answer.
Best regards,
pinkfreud
---------------------------------------------------------------
My mother always told me that eating after sundown would result in
obesity because the body doesn't have the opportunity to "burn up" the
calories, and they turn directly into fat. I never really investigated
the matter until now, but it seems that this advice was not based upon
fat ...er, not based upon fact. I've gathered some info on this
weighty subject for you.
"When total calories are kept constant, does eating at night (whether
just before bed or in the middle of the night) lead to weight gain?...
A 1997 review article summarizing the results of past research
concluded that meal frequency - whether during the day or at night -
had no clear effect on body weight. That is, people who chose to eat
frequently, regardless of the time of day, had no higher rate of
obesity than those who ate fewer large meals.
In a study of more than 2,000 middle-aged men and women, 9% of women
and 7.4% of men described 'getting up at night to eat.' Overall, there
was no difference in weight gain between those who did and those who
did not. A study in 2004 of more than 800 men and women noted that the
more people ate in the morning, the less they tended to eat during the
course of a day, while people who ate more at night tended to eat more
overall. A trial from January 2005 found that eating late at night was
not associated with weight gain even among people with 'night eating
syndrome'...
It is possible that, for some people, eating at night is associated
with weight gain. Perhaps they find it easier to be careful about
portion size and food choices during the day but simply 'lose it' at
day's end. For some, the structure of three meals a day may make it
easier to avoid excessive calorie intake. But it's probably a myth
that eating before bed has a unique ability to promote weight gain
compared with eating at other times of the day. Although scientific
studies someday may prove that calories ingested before bed are
handled differently than calories ingested at other times, evidence
for this commonly held belief is lacking. For now, it's safe to assume
that one's weight reflects the balance between calories burned and
calories consumed over time, regardless of when you choose to eat."
InteliHealth: Does Nighttime Noshing Make You Fat?
"Myth: Eating after 8 p.m. causes weight gain.
Fact: It does not matter what time of day you eat. It is what and how
much you eat and how much physical activity you do during the whole
day that determines whether you gain, lose, or maintain your weight.
No matter when you eat, your body will store extra calories as fat."
NIDDK (National Institutes of Health): Weight-loss and Nutrition Myths
"Breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, dinner like a pauper' -
is there any truth to this?
[Dietitian Dr Trent Watson] sets the record straight: "It's the total
energy you eat throughout the day that's important. You can eat all
your daily kilojoules after 6pm, and you won't gain any more weight
than if you ate it earlier in the day. Weight gain occurs when you
consume more energy than you expend."
The Daily Telegraph: Top 10 food myths busted
"Subjects who eat late in the evening may increase the amount of
glucose stored in muscle as glycogen. In humans, muscle glycogen
fluctuates in accordance with periods of muscle activity and
subsequent carbohydrate consumption. Data suggest that the consumption
of carbohydrate-rich foods in the late evening leads to increased
glycogen levels in the muscles. Unless this stored glycogen is burned
as fuel, it will ultimately be stored as fat. Therefore, consumption
of late-evening meals with carbohydrate-rich foods may also be related
to obesity through its effect on hormonal regulation of energy and
lipid metabolism. However, we found that the interval of time between
the last episode of eating and the time to bed was not associated with
the risk of obesity. Further investigation is warranted to examine the
association of this interval, as well as the nutrient composition
(i.e., percentage of calories from carbohydrate) of the last eating
episode, with obesity."
American Journal of Epidemiology: Association between Eating Patterns
and Obesity in a Free-living US Adult Population
"The purpose of this study was to determine whether meal ingestion
pattern [large morning meals (AM) vs. large evening meals (PM)]
affects changes in body weight, body composition or energy utilization
during weight loss. Ten women completed a metabolic ward study of 3-wk
weight stabilization followed by 12 wk of weight loss with a
moderately energy restricted diet [mean energy intake ± SD = 107 ± 6
kJ/(kg·d)] and regular exercise. The weight loss phase was divided
into two 6-wk periods. During period 1, 70% of daily energy intake was
taken as two meals in the AM (n = 4) or in the PM (n = 6). Subjects
crossed over to the alternate meal time in period 2. Both weight loss
and fat-free mass loss were greater with the AM than the PM meal
pattern: 3.90 ± 0.19 vs. 3.27 ± 0.26 kg/6 wk, P < 0.05, and 1.28 ±
0.14 vs. 0.25 ± 0.16 kg/6 wk, P < 0.001, respectively. Change in fat
mass and loss of body energy were affected by order of meal pattern
ingestion. The PM pattern resulted in greater loss of fat mass in
period 1 (P < 0.01) but not in period 2. Likewise, resting
mid-afternoon fat oxidation rate was higher with the PM pattern in
period 1 (P < 0.05) but not in period 2, corresponding with the fat
mass changes. To conclude, ingestion of larger AM meals resulted in
slightly greater weight loss, but ingestion of larger PM meals
resulted in better maintenance of fat-free mass. Thus, incorporation
of larger PM meals in a weight loss regimen may be important in
minimizing the loss of fat-free mass."
The Journal of Nutrition: Weight Loss is Greater with Consumption of
Large Morning Meals and Fat-Free Mass Is Preserved with Large Evening
Meals in Women on a Controlled Weight Reduction Regimen
So it appears that for most of us there's nothing wrong with eating at
night, as long as the entire day's calorie count is appropriate.
However, there may be health risks associated with nighttime eating
for people who have GERD (gastroesophageal reflux disease) and/or
asthma.
"Compared to nonasthmatics, asthmatics have significantly more
frequent and more severe day and night GER symptoms and significantly
more of the pulmonary symptoms (nocturnal suffocation, cough, or
wheezing) so often attributed to GER. The habit of eating before
bedtime appears in asthmatics to have serious and life-threatening
consequences."
American Journal of Gastroenterology: Asthmatics have more nocturnal
gasping and reflux symptoms than nonasthmatics, and they are related
to bedtime eating.
Thanks for an interesting question! Please let me know if anything is
in need of clarification; I'll gladly offer further assistance before
you rate my answer.
Best regards,
pinkfreud
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Sephora 0128
Banned
Nice diatribe. Too damn long for me and if it's just by a poster on another board it's as reliable as Wikipedia.
Sephora 0128
Banned
To please you? Hail no!! I wouldn't give you a dime for a cup of coffee let alone do anything else you asked.
Jericho
New member
I am sorry, that is your loss as it does state specific scientific studies and counters to your claim. You are quick to attack me and my statements but never post anything to back up your claim.
There is a point in any discussion where one decides that the person on the other side is reduced to nothing but name calling or denial. I try to stick with facts. I posted links to medical studies. You have posted nothing but to attack the one stating the words (me) instead of outlining the facts of your position.
I could be rude. I could be nasty. I have been neither. I have been logical and I have stated facts and resources.
There is a point in any discussion where one decides that the person on the other side is reduced to nothing but name calling or denial. I try to stick with facts. I posted links to medical studies. You have posted nothing but to attack the one stating the words (me) instead of outlining the facts of your position.
I could be rude. I could be nasty. I have been neither. I have been logical and I have stated facts and resources.
Sephora 0128
Banned
Let's make this simple ~ I DON'T LIKE YOU. Period. Ergo, what you say is not going to be listened to or read. Is that simple enough for you to understand? Will that make you stop replying to me?
Sephora 0128
Banned
Apparently not.
Sephora 0128
Banned
You said that like three hours ago. Do you actually intend to do it this time?
MysticRealm
New member
And I will say it again Sephora Calm Down. Haha. You are enjoying this aren't you? Yet it isn't working as you hoped. You are hoping to get Jericho riled up enough that he actually is rude so you will be able to say 'Ha! I told you you were being nasty to me!'
Well guess what? I don't think you are gonna get it.
Sorry Jericho I could not help myself, she's funny.
Well guess what? I don't think you are gonna get it.
Sorry Jericho I could not help myself, she's funny.
Sephora 0128
Banned
So because you have a name with the word "Mystic" in it you think you can read my mind. Here's a little hint ~ Not on a warm summer day in Louisiana. You have no clue about me, who I am, what I want, NOTHING. So get over yourself and stop causing issues and making matters worse.
patsfan
New member
Spend enough time on this forum and it will be quite evident that people refute misconceptions about exercise, nutrition and weight loss in every category. It's not personal, it's so all of us members can learn how to treat our bodies right and get the results we're looking for. Tone is next to impossible to determine in text...unless you make it personal and start name calling...there's simply no need for anyone to get riled up! Try asking Steve some questions...he's so matter of fact you could misread his "tone" as well, but all of these folks are just being matter of fact about the info they're providing, which I for one, am grateful for. 
The OP's question was answered to a totally acceptable level after about post number 5.
Let's not take sides, let's not argue. We are all here for the same reasons. All currently involved in debate please walk away, unfortunately things have degenerated too far.
Positive time...
Jericho and sephora - both congratulations on your continuing success - surely you guys should both be smiling?
Happy faces all, here's to the continued counter-clockwise movement of the needle
Oli
Let's not take sides, let's not argue. We are all here for the same reasons. All currently involved in debate please walk away, unfortunately things have degenerated too far.
Positive time...
Jericho and sephora - both congratulations on your continuing success - surely you guys should both be smiling?
Happy faces all, here's to the continued counter-clockwise movement of the needle
Oli
whiskeytangofox
New member
Wow, Sephora is completely crazy - can people be like this in real life?
Sephora 0128
Banned
Your user name is "What the Fuck" and I'm crazy? Seriously Whiskey ~ W; Tango ~ T; Fox ~ F.