Sport eating late at night

[jimaug87]

Did you guys leave me with a bunch of conflicting opinions because I asked to not have that happen? :boxing_smiley:

Thanks chillen, I liked the rhyme and it makes sense.

If there was an argument over my 'it doesn't matter' statement, sorry I was vague. It was meant to mean it doesn't matter when you eat, but how much you eat should still be within any personal restrictions you have for yourself.

 

[spicypumpkin]

I generally don't really have breakfast other than a fruit. come home eat a small 200-300 calorie meal, then munch on fruits throughout the day. Then eat a couple medium-big meals( if its a workout day one would be pre workout, fruits, nuts, etc until i reach my calorie intake ( healthy foods ).

You can tell me all you want how my body is ****ed up and what im doing is bad and how its "hoarding calories" but i've been doing this for a long time now and my body is reacting just fine and my weight level is constanst. I wake up in the morning with enough energy from the previous nights meal to carry on throughout the day.

I'm the same way. I hate breakfast. The last thing I want to do in the morning minutes after waking up is go eat a bunch of stuff. I really don't like traditional breakfast food either. I eat quite a bit at night since I'm busy for most of the day. Most of the time, I neglect eating because I am too busy. That has changed though. I'm trying to be better about having food with me everywhere I go so I can munch on stuff.

 

[Phate89]

I hate when we're talking about broad science and someone goes "well I did this and its awesome"

There are always exceptions, there are always things that work that just don't make sense on paper for a few people.

Really, were we talking about only scientific facts when it comes to the subject?
SORRY
/sarcasm

And yes, everyone's body does work differently just because I eat a ****load of food in the evening time doesn't mean your body will respond the same.

As long as you follow the calorie in calorie out rule its all good though

 

[spicypumpkin]

Really, were we talking about only scientific facts when it comes to the subject?
SORRY
/sarcasm

And yes, everyone's body does work differently just because I eat a ****load of food in the evening time doesn't mean your body will respond the same.

As long as you follow the calorie in calorie out rule its all good though

I agree! I always eat a lot at night. It hasn't hurt me. I think it's more about calories than anything else. Everyone's body responds differently to different things. Generally your body will do a pretty good job of telling you when to eat and when not to eat. I'm happier and feel healthier when I eat before bed and then only eat a small breakfast.

 

[NBS 4life]

This whole question is dependant on what the persons goals are.

 

[Typhon]

Really, were we talking about only scientific facts when it comes to the subject?
SORRY
/sarcasm

Unfortunately yes look at the original question, the poster specifically asked for studies and facts, not opinions

Oh well, like that was ever going to happen

 

[Typhon]

As long as you follow the calorie in calorie out rule its all good though

I think it's more about calories than anything else.

I wonder where this stock response that keeps popping up on the site has come from?

Yea, I'm the same way. I have like 8 books I use regularly, and of course I have my personal site hero (chillen, lol). I have no formal education in nutrition.

Ah, that's where

Sorry guys but why do you chose to overlook what's staring you in the face and choose the easiest option presented to you by a friend.
Derwyddon is as much of an expert on nutrition as you're likely to find on this site and you argue against her because of an opinion that gets slapped on just about every weight loss thread on this site by people regurgitating something they've been spoon fed but don't understand

Yes it's true that calorie intake is the most important factor but if you're looking for what's optimal then you need to look at the next level.

Why not ask a body builder like Mreik or LV if meal timing isn't important? Or Goergen who's a power lifter? Or in the example I gave earlier, a sumo wrestler who eats all his calories in one or two meals so his body stores fat - I don't see their bodies adapting and storing muscle instead of fat

Why not ask people who either have qualifications like Derwyddon or have achieved a lot like Mreik rather than take the opinion that's fashionable on the site?

Oh well, I'm ranting again, but just ask yourself this, are you at your optimal physical state? Have you been achieving great things with your body? If not then maybe you're worshiping false idols. less than 12 months ago I was deadlifting 110lbs, now I'm just about to close in on 400lbs. Just going to the gym day after day wouldn't have made me do that, what made the difference was listening to the qualified people on here. I listened to Derwyddon a lot and although I don't always follow everything she's said at least I know what I should be doing.

Choose where you put your faith very wisely

*Now I'll wait for the inevitable PM's and neg reps that come from disagreeing with Chillen (sorry dude, I love you man but your supporters are fanatical and often crazy, it's like a religious sect)

 

[Typhon]

I wanted to say this as well, its interesting the two people who say "eating mostly at night hasn't hurt me" are two people trying to gain weight.

It's a documented fact that the vast majority of overweight people eat mostly or only at night.

Am I counted as one of those? If so then I don't eat mostly at night, I have about 8 meals a day of roughly equal size and one is just before sleep.

Oh, and it's gonna remain when I'm cutting too, which shouldn't be far off, to keep catabolism at bay for as long as possible

 

[Phate89]

Yes. on fbw workout days i have a pre-workout and post workout meal...
pre workout meal including mostly complex carbs, post workout mostly protein..and yes I am trying to gain weight...muscle weight not fat..if i wanted to gain fat I could do that easily.

 

[Wrangell]

Yes. on fbw workout days i have a pre-workout and post workout meal...
pre workout meal including mostly complex carbs, post workout mostly protein..and yes I am trying to gain weight...muscle weight not fat..if i wanted to gain fat I could do that easily.

You said ( earlier ) that you have primarily fruit for breakfast, primarily carbs before a workout and primarily protein after a workout ( for those " optimal " reasons we all know about ).

Given you are trying to add muscle weight, how is your protein consumption at other times - i.e during your mid morning snack, mid afternoon snack, lunch, dinner ?

And, are you striving toward any particular target of consuming ' x ' grams of protein per day ?

 

[Phate89]

You said ( earlier ) that you have primarily fruit for breakfast, primarily carbs before a workout and primarily protein after a workout ( for those " optimal " reasons we all know about ).

Given you are trying to add muscle weight, how is your protein consumption at other times - i.e during your mid morning snack, mid afternoon snack, lunch, dinner ?

And, are you striving toward any particular target of consuming ' x ' grams of protein per day ?

MOST of my protein is in the evening time. Tuna, chicken, turkey, beans, nuts etc. I try to keep track of my protein consumption but can't at times because i don't know how much protein the chicken im eating or the turkey im eating contains, but if i know my goal is to get atleast 100g, around there.

And if its a workout day, it does matter when you eat and what you eat. But why would it matter if its not a workout day Der?

What reason is there to switch what I am doing now and eat 3-4 meals throughout the day instead of the way im eating now. a slightly higher metabolic rate isn't good enough a reason for me, and "more" energy isn't either since i feel like i have great energy and endurance now

 

[Phate89]

how are your muscles going to grow and get bigger if there's nothing to fuel them and the growing process?

and your protein sounds very low, to be honest.

What do you mean theres nothing to allow my muscle to grow and repair? I still eat in a slight surplus and that should be enough. So how does eating mostly at night harm muscle building?

So far I've gained 4-5 lbs in almost a month and have seen some improvements, or thats just mentally im seeing more muscle.

And I just calculated, and I should be going for around a 120grams of protein. So yea. I generally try to get as much protein as i can really because its still pretty hard it's kinda hard to eat that much protein for me. Should probably lower my carb intake and increase my protein.

 

[spicypumpkin]

I don't think anything here is like a religious sect. The calories theory works for me. Yes I also space my meals in a logical fashion. I have a protein shake after my workout and some other high protein, high carb stuff. But, I don't stress out if I can't eat a ton of food for breakfast. Plus, don't your muscles also regenerate some at night? Wouldn't eating before bed help that process? It says on the container of protein powder that I use, to take it after your workout and right before bed.

I think chillen's advice is very helpful, and following it should not make me a member of a religious sect.

 

[goergen1]

Does anyone know, without a shadow of a doubt, if there is a certain amount of time you should allow for food to start being digested before laying in bed?

1. You will always get conflicting opinions with just about any health and fitness related question.

2. Eating before bed is a good idea whether you are trying to lose weight or gain weight. Especially if you are working out. Sleep time is a time when the body makes a lot of its repairs and adaptation to workouts. so getting the proper nutrients before bed is a good thing.

As far as a window of time goes, it will be different on a person to person basis. I eat something, then go to bed. Some people like 30 min, other an hour before they go to bed.

For everybody else

1. If you are trying to gain weight you need to eat all day long to get the best results. Why????

For those of you who eat the majority of their calories in the evening, you can't be eating enough to get the best result. It is a lot of food that needs to be taken in.

Your body also uses nutrients all day long, you will get better results by consistently getting those nutrients throughout the day.

2. If you are trying to lose weight, eating all day long will get you better results than lumping most nutrients into the evening. Why???

It helps fight cravings. It keeps your blood sugar from dropping and helps you focus throughout the day, it will keep you from getting moody and irritable. It also helps prevent "binging" or eating a bunch of crappy food all at once.

Whether anyone thinks that eating frequently all day long speeds metabolism or not there are a few other thing to take into account.

You will not find any bodybuilders or fitness girls doing anything but eating 7-9 meals per day. When dieting or trying to gain. That remains a constant.

You will not find any "real" strength athlete who does not eat all the time. (though they do not always have the cleanest diet )

So take it from people who are successful, because that is the group who knows how to get things done.

As always, people can disagree with what I have stated. They can have fun, not getting the best results they can.

 

[Phate89]

1. You will always get conflicting opinions with just about any health and fitness related question.

2. Eating before bed is a good idea whether you are trying to lose weight or gain weight. Especially if you are working out. Sleep time is a time when the body makes a lot of its repairs and adaptation to workouts. so getting the proper nutrients before bed is a good thing.

As far as a window of time goes, it will be different on a person to person basis. I eat something, then go to bed. Some people like 30 min, other an hour before they go to bed.

For everybody else

1. If you are trying to gain weight you need to eat all day long to get the best results. Why????

For those of you who eat the majority of their calories in the evening, you can't be eating enough to get the best result. It is a lot of food that needs to be taken in.

Your body also uses nutrients all day long, you will get better results by consistently getting those nutrients throughout the day.

2. If you are trying to lose weight, eating all day long will get you better results than lumping most nutrients into the evening. Why???

It helps fight cravings. It keeps your blood sugar from dropping and helps you focus throughout the day, it will keep you from getting moody and irritable. It also helps prevent "binging" or eating a bunch of crappy food all at once.

Whether anyone thinks that eating frequently all day long speeds metabolism or not there are a few other thing to take into account.

You will not find any bodybuilders or fitness girls doing anything but eating 7-9 meals per day. When dieting or trying to gain. That remains a constant.

You will not find any "real" strength athlete who does not eat all the time. (though they do not always have the cleanest diet )

So take it from people who are successful, because that is the group who knows how to get things done.

As always, people can disagree with what I have stated. They can have fun, not getting the best results they can.

That explains it, I'm still happy with my progress and the way I eat but you made sense out of it.

 

[Chillen]

I wonder where this stock response that keeps popping up on the site has come from?

Ah, that's where

If this implication refers to me, I solely admit its true without hesitation or embarrassment. My attempts to give certain members the "basics" are rooted in goodwill, and is expanded when asked.

Sorry guys but why do you chose to overlook what's staring you in the face and choose the easiest option presented to you by a friend.

This isn't what they are doing. Don’t narrow your perception.

Derwyddon is as much of an expert on nutrition as you're likely to find on this site and you argue against her because of an opinion that gets slapped on just about every weight loss thread on this site by people regurgitating something they've been spoon fed but don't understand

A piece of paper doesn't "necessarily" make one wise, lol. Breath in the circumference of the world, and this comes to surface rather quickly.

No one is being spoon fed anything, rather if one were to enlarge the spoon and change the dexterity of approach, some may open their mouth; this is one of the complications with narrowed perception. Perceptions some times stink ones view and narrow the eyes, and thus cant see very well. Don’t let this happen to you, CCR.

I post rather strong to new members, for a variety of reasons. I have a rather intense desire to have them succeed, and know through my own practical experience, earned and learned knowledge how important it is to get the "basics" to one just beginning.

I have a rather intense motivation to aspire----and then deliver a positive approach to the new and existing members while at the same time providing some fundamental basic information, and if necessary, advanced ideas. My own program I have developed for myself has the like intensity I show on the forum.

I rarely say something like this, but its appropriate here: I have been comparably successful in my own right as the other members on this site, and this is utilizing "basics" as well as "advanced" methods of diet and training.

Some newly registered forum members don’t have the "basic's" of nutrition and weight lifting understood; therefore, I post this information for them because I believe its "important" to get them started on their goal journey. In addition, "sometimes" they get short inept responses or none at all.

One needs to understand the "basics" as a foundation to understand more advance methods (For example, using the "three" nutrients and manipulating them for additional fat loss--and using cardio to enhance the effect when fat tissue or body fat percentages drop real low and fat loss is more difficult to achieve; appropriate and calculated fasting methods, using a Ketogenic diet, and advanced progressive weight training techniques)

Therefore, meal "frequency" isn't applicable to-EVERYONE--ALL THE TIME--it depends on the goals and body position of the person. There are diets, dependent upon the goals of the person, that meal frequency is relatively low---to enhance another effect . Yes, advanced dieting does in deed ROCK!

Yes it's true that calorie intake is the most important factor but if you're looking for what's optimal then you need to look at the next level.

I support eating frequent meals for a "nutritional push", and for other reasons. String my posts together in this thread and it becomes quite clear. In addition, string my comments made to new and other members over the past 5 months, and it becomes quite clear, I support frequent meals. I just added in that it DOESN’T increase metabolism.

It is important, however, to have certain members know that if they miss a meal or two because of a busy life style (work, school, religion), that it ISNT going to kill their progress, and they can work around this complication and stay on track with their goal. And, not everyone is striving to be elite athletes, and sometimes the basic essentials are all that one needs. And, sometimes its more than this, dependent upon their goal aspirations. If they change their goal plans, then they have a basic understanding to build upon to move into more advanced methods of diet and training. What I do is correct.

When one eats a before and after workout, what is the purpose? I think "Nutritional Push" fits perfectly.

Why not ask a body builder like Mreik or LV if meal timing isn't important? Or Goergen who's a power lifter?

You left out Stoutman (Steve), and Wrangell, shame on you: I respect their knowledge in addition to the ones you had listed. In addition I would put my progress up against anyone's when they understand what my personal goals were.

Or in the example I gave earlier, a sumo wrestler who eats all his calories in one or two meals so his body stores fat - I don't see their bodies adapting and storing muscle instead of fat

It IS possible, if they ate 7,000 calories, and this was over their caloric need (as an example), and space it out over 30 meals in one day, they would be just as fat, as compared to spacing meals into 2.

In addition, I don't see these type of wrestlers busting there buns in the gym lifting weights; thus no stimulation for muscle growth, LOL. That IS NOT a good example.

Why not ask people who either have qualifications like Derwyddon or have achieved a lot like Mreik rather than take the opinion that's fashionable on the site?

Again, I would put my progress up against anyone's when they understand what my personal goals were.

Your perceptions of what you think you know, on what you read, is off just a tad--on what is underlined.

Oh well, I'm ranting again, but just ask yourself this, are you at your optimal physical state? Have you been achieving great things with your body? If not then maybe you're worshiping false idols. less than 12 months ago I was dead lifting 110lbs, now I'm just about to close in on 400lbs. Just going to the gym day after day wouldn't have made me do that, what made the difference was listening to the qualified people on here. I listened to Derwyddon a lot and although I don't always follow everything she's said at least I know what I should be doing.

There isn't anyone worshiping any false idols, again your perception is off. It's certain persons perverting their perception on what they see.

However, getting different opinions on different subject matter is food for the brain, no one said anything to the contrary. Again, I would stack my achievements against yours or anyone's when the proper perspective of the individual goals are taken into consideration.

Choose where you put your faith very wisely

*Now I'll wait for the inevitable PM's and neg reps that come from disagreeing with Chillen (sorry dude, I love you man but your supporters are fanatical and often crazy, it's like a religious sect)

Let's hope you are not getting any negative rep points, for sharing your perceptive thoughts. Just like you are entitled to share your "appropriate" indirect and direct comments to a person on the forum, they too, are entitled to theirs as long as it fits within the forum rules and regulations, and just as importantly, the integrity of the site.

I haven't changed what I do on this site since I joined in May 07. Its possible some perceptions of what I do have changed over time and/or maintained.

You don’t need to be sorry, I don’t allow others to define who I am. I love you too . HEHEHE.

I consider everyone on this site a friend of mine, and some elements within friendship are: afflictions and differences are going to come, its how their handled that can make a difference.

Other than that, I dont have any other comment on this section of your post.


Best wishes to you, my friend




Chillen

 

[Wrangell]

MOST of my protein is in the evening time. Tuna, chicken, turkey, beans, nuts etc. I try to keep track of my protein consumption but can't at times because i don't know how much protein the chicken im eating or the turkey im eating contains, but if i know my goal is to get atleast 100g, around there.

Curious - why aren't you spreading out your protein consumption more evenly throughout the day ?

What's the reason ?

And if its a workout day, it does matter when you eat and what you eat. But why would it matter if its not a workout day Der?

Why ? Because your body is repairing and growing tissue and storing and using energy ....24/7 ?

What reason is there to switch what I am doing now and eat 3-4 meals throughout the day instead of the way im eating now. a slightly higher metabolic rate isn't good enough a reason for me, and "more" energy isn't either since i feel like i have great energy and endurance now

If nothing else, by eating some protein & carbs with every 2.5 - 3 hours meal / snack you have, you can ensure you have a consistent amount of amino acids and insulin in your blood all day long. And given your body is involved in protein synthesis and protein breakdown throughout the day - and you want to build muscle - delivering a steady flow of amino acids and insulin is probably not a bad idea.

 

[Wrangell]

And I just calculated, and I should be going for around a 120grams of protein. So yea. I generally try to get as much protein as i can really because its still pretty hard it's kinda hard to eat that much protein for me..

Actually, if you spread out the protein over 6 meals a day - it's dead simple to do.

Should probably lower my carb intake and increase my protein.

Why ? Carbs / glycogen are the primary fuel used for your weight workouts.

You consume 120 grams of protein now - how much do you weigh ?

 

[Wrangell]

Some newly registered forum members don’t have the "basic's" of nutrition and weight lifting understood; therefore, I post this information for them because I believe its "important" to get them started on their goal journey. In addition, "sometimes" they get short inept responses or none at all.

I have noticed that you post the exact same verbatim ( and lengthy ) " Harris Benedict Equation " etc. etc. text as an inclusion in literally dozens of posts to new members.

While I can appreciate this ' cookie cutter approach ' of pasting in the same text over and over again is well intentioned, saves you a great deal of time in getting info to new members quickly and represents valuable information of benefit to new members - others who are regulars on this forum have seen this exact same " Harris Benedict Equation " text repeated in posts over and over again.

Now, I think the your " Harris Benedict Equation " text is of great value - and new members should definitely read it.

So, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a " win / win " for everyone if you asked a mod if this Harris Benedict Equation text of yours that you keep posting to new members can be added as one of the links in the " Where To Begin / All Info Links " Sticky in the " New Member Intro " thread.

That way, new members would simply need is a simply link to " Where To Begin / All Info Links " in the " New Member Intro " thread to get access to your " Harris Benedict Equation " text.

Just a thought.

 

[Chillen]

I have noticed that you post the exact same verbatim ( and lengthy ) " Harris Benedict Equation " etc. etc. text as an inclusion in literally dozens of posts to new members.

While I can appreciate this ' cookie cutter approach ' of pasting in the same text over and over again is well intentioned, saves you a great deal of time in getting info to new members quickly and represents valuable information of benefit to new members - others who are regulars on this forum have seen this exact same " Harris Benedict Equation " text repeated in posts over and over again.

Now, I think the your " Harris Benedict Equation " text is of great value - and new members should definitely read it.

So, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a " win / win " for everyone if you asked a mod if this Harris Benedict Equation text of yours that you keep posting to new members can be added as one of the links in the " Where To Begin / All Info Links " Sticky in the " New Member Intro " thread.

That way, new members would simply need is a simply link to " Where To Begin / All Info Links " in the " New Member Intro " thread to get access to your " Harris Benedict Equation " text.

Just a thought.

I will take this under consideration. Thank you for your thoughtful post.


Best wishes to you,



Chillen